WonBass=WEAK PAYOUTS

merkopac · Post by **merkopac** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:44 am

Im usually not one to complain but,40+ boats all options paid 5th place $240 ? thats not even entry fee back.The first Wonbass of the year castaic-Basic entry+big fish-50 boats-3rd place,3rd big bass=$450+a reel for third big fish,pretty weak. With 40+ boats all options paid you need to get 4th or better just to win your money back?

619 · Post by **619** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:00 am

You won your entry money back, Not your option money. Did you hit any options???

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:27 am

Did you read all the options and HOW THEY PAYOUT? I'm guessing NO! It's much easier just to complain!!!!!

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:28 am

Do you even KNOW what the BASIC entry is?

Gerryjig · Post by **Gerryjig** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:32 am

a bigger % of prize $ goes to first place to draw more anglers to the events.....IT LOOKS BETTER for the org(s) as advertising 1st place won so and so amount of $ for their win. I say, pull some off the top and sprinkle it down the line. A win is a win, and the feeling of pulling a 1st place can't be substituted....period. These are not major events that reward a 100k 1st place finish. Tell me, 5k or 4k?? - 4k is still more than 10X the entry you paid to fish the event with options. 1k sprinkled down a bit would recover alot more of the costs to the teams that pulled a respectable finish. Not too many can afford to donate right now and a respectable finish deserves a cost-free day of competing. Just my .02 and a big part of the reason I dont fish the freshwater events anymore. Unless your the "Zank" / Hart team in late Summer and into early Winter at Castaic (and not taking anything away from them....they rule!), 1st place is awefully tough no matter how well your on them because EVERYTHING has to go your way for the win. Don't think for a minute your the only one complaining. I see why you are a bit bummed and this subject ALWAYS comes up. Some and most likely most will just say if you don't like it, don't fish it......I along with many others don't fish them anymore and with the way the economy is going, wish the directors would take note on what is going on too......DUH!

btw great job on a respectable finish!

Gerryjig · Post by **Gerryjig** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:36 am

oh, and I forgot to mention.......a 4th place is known as "The Black Hole" as most options pay 1st-3rd leaving nothing after......

DL · Post by DL » Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:51 am

merkopac wrote:Im usually not one to complain but,40+ boats all options paid 5th place $240 ? thats not even entry fee back.The first Wonbass of the year castaic-Basic entry+big fish-50 boats-3rd place,3rd big bass=$450+a reel for third big fish,pretty weak. With 40+ boats all options paid you need to get 4th or better just to win your money back?

Come out and fish the Top Stick Tour, either as a Pro or a AAA. When you get your check, it will be double your entry fee

www.topsticktour.com or click the banner at the top of the page for the schedule..

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:03 am

Wow DL you guys are AWESOME!!!

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:21 am

Hey DL just went on your web sight no past payout listed to compare. WHY?

merkopac · Post by **merkopac** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:33 am

last week with the same amount of boats at NBW I got 6th place and won $500 my buddy got 7th and won $400 and 5th got $750 not to mention 1st place was over $5000.Yesterday we had a fish that weighed 3.5 on my digital and wonbass never weighed it for big fish im pretty sure 3rd bigbass was 3.45 seems like maybe they should have weiged our fish

Obi-Hub · Post by **Obi-Hub** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:00 am

Merko,

That would be why NBW is the BEST team circuit in So Cal land

Stratos278 · Post by **Stratos278** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:19 pm

merkopac wrote:last week with the same amount of boats at NBW I got 6th place and won $500 my buddy got 7th and won $400 and 5th got $750 not to mention 1st place was over $5000.Yesterday we had a fish that weighed 3.5 on my digital and wonbass never weighed it for big fish im pretty sure 3rd bigbass was 3.45 seems like maybe they should have weiged our fish

Isn't it up to YOU to say, "Hey lets weigh this fish"?

hippie · Post by **hippie** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:20 pm

maybe you guys who want big fish weighed should bag it seperate or put a calling ball on it make it a little easier for the weighmasters, the guys weighing fish usually have no clue of big fish nor whats leading to busy trying to get fish back in the water with a speedy weigh in. Yes WON bass pay outs suck I was going to fish perris this sunday looked back at the pay outs last month and decided hell no. I personally believe the tourny directors hands are tied a big org. needs more money to cover over head. Thank goodness for NBW, hopefully the twins will make a sick comeback this year with there new org.

Gerryjig · Post by **Gerryjig** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:41 pm

I agree with hippie, TD's for W.O.N. must have their hands tied. Fishing a W.O.N. Plastic Navy event last year I noticed a HUGE take of $ from the org. 150 plus yakkers entered with a $50 fee without options.....$7500. what did first place get??......$1,000, second place???.....a DONATED custom rod.....3rd place??.....150.00. And nothing else beyond that. Option money was put out and even that didn't come close to what went in. I took the time, did the math and could not believe what was going on. Sorry but NOBODY who enters should feel "honored" to fish an event which the anglers themselves support. Needless to say, an annonymous post went up regarding this and W.O.N. now is gone from that scene. Alot of big office overhead or pure GREED? Very poor call of judgement for the anglers on W.O.N.'s behalf....I could never imagine this happening on the freshwater circuit. NBW seems to be the BEST circuit going regarding ROI. It's the only one I fish now.

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:21 pm

IMO it is the fishermen that are weak not WON. You have a bunch of people that are addicted to gambling and do not care about the cost to participate. WON will continue to justify their business practices until people stop fishing their tournaments. They have no problem admitting they make money. They do post the percentage "take" with their big saltwater tournaments. I saw the Cabo Tuna Jackpot payouts listing the fact that they return 70 something percent of the option money and a much lower percentage on the entry. No excuse for a TOC here. As long as people continue to show up for these events they will continue to operate in this fashion. When nobody comes out to fish they may change. Some of us have seen WON for what it is and choose other events. They definitely have a reasonable response........for the weak willed in our midst.

DL · Post by DL » Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:22 pm

Before you get bent out of shape Bill, I wasn't jumping on you OR won bass. It is a well know, and well publicized fact, that CJ and John wanted the last paid spot to be at least double what the basic entry was, for both ends of the boat. As it will be this year.

I'll probably get killed for this, but you will have to ask the man in charge of the site, why there are no archived results or payouts you can look up. If I had them in front of me I would post them, for all to see.. But I am pretty sure I haven't heard any grumblings about the Top Stick payouts over the last two seasons..

I should have known better than to get involved in this topic

Ron T. · Post by **Ron T.** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:03 pm

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo, who won ?

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:04 pm

Once again HIPPIE IS FULL OF SH@t!!! My Perris payout pays 1 in 5. And the last team to get money is paid $300.00. That's total with options. Here's the results of today. DL you are weak also. Show the payouts or shut the F@@@ up!!! Everybody knows NBW pays 100% enough said. No one can compete with that DUUUUU!!!

1St place Chris Bond/ Stan Boyd
2nd Place Brain Tressen / Fished alone
3rd Place Dino Capurisco / Joe Capurisco
4th Place Kyle Grover / Will Rakowitz
5th place Pat Casey / Fishing alone
6th place Kevin Stammer / Bryson Molesky
7th place Dave Nollar / Tim Nollar
8th place Mike Pua Mike Lillibrigde

19th Place Jason Atkins /Mtch Southern BB#1

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:19 pm

MY BAD!! You guys want to see the payout? 29 teams three comped, 26 paid:

1place $2,333.00
2nd Place $1,316.00
3rd place $720.00
4th place $476.00
5th place $300.00
6th place $432.00
7th place $88.00
19th place $540.00

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:23 pm

OOOOOOYea my total entry is $300.00 includes all options. My basic is $155.00 plus a $5.00 event fee.

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:25 pm

Hippie go tye your hair up in a pony tail and don't ever fish my stuff!!! You suck anyways.

smittyfish · Post by **smittyfish** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:30 pm

NO CLASS Mr. Pointing. I'm sure your sponsors like that language.

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:34 pm

Bl@@ me

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:59 pm

William Pointing wrote: And the last team to get money is paid $300.00. That's total with options.

Don't tell anybody what they get for that last money finish on their entry. I wouldn't brag about one in five paybacks when you have organizations like FLW paying entry fees back to almost one in three and top prizes of over 30 times the entry. Less than five times entry is shameful for a first place finish. I know, I know WON is not FLW. Why not? They certainly have their chance to be at least close to comparable. They choose to operate without Corporate sponsorship because they have enough people that will show up and participate for these dismal paybacks. One thing these organizations do is provide good service in the field. TD's like Ponting work their butt off and competition has raised the bar for the TD's to entice fisherman. Who would have thought they would be providing breakfast or lunch at these events before Lynne and Mike created that requisite. Too bad the home office just continues to skim their cut and doesn't raise the bar by getting some Corporate involvement to bolster paybacks. Please do not tell me to F#$ off or bite myself. As I said, I do not think it is the TD's that are making these guidelines.

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:09 pm

Hi Robert, Thanks we only got 29 boats. The FLW is not TEAM tournaments. All this disscussion is about TEAM tournaments. 1 in 5 is good, all orginzation PRETTY much follow this for the team circuits. Also $15.00 per team goes towards the fish off where a new boat is given away and cash prizes also for WON Bass. Josh Kiterow cooked the breakfast burrito's this morning and paid for it. WFP Construction sponsored the BBQ during the weigh in. Two Meals plus drinks,WOW.

Ron T. · Post by **Ron T.** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:10 pm

SSSSoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo who won ?

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:10 pm

So Who won what???

Ron T. · Post by **Ron T.** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:12 pm

Yesterdays Castaic won Bass.

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:13 pm

William Pointing wrote:OOOOOOYea my total entry is $300.00 includes all options. My basic is $155.00 plus a $5.00 event fee.

Here is what you get for an extra 25 bucks in a Stren out of the back of the boat
Place Regular Purse Ranger Bonus Total Purse
1st 177TR w/90 hp** Evinrude or Yamaha $5,000
2nd $4,000 $4,000
3rd $3,000 $3,000
4th $2,500 $2,500
5th $2,250 $2,250
6th $2,000 $2,000
7th $1,750 $1,750
8th $1,500 $1,500
9th $1,250 $1,250
10th $1,000 $1,000
11th-15th $900 $900
16th-20th $800 $800
21st-25th $700 $700
26th-30th $600 $600
31st-40th $500 $500
41st-50th $400 $400
Big Bass (2 days) $250

Fish well enough and you get to go to TWO championship tournaments for big cash. Not a boat. I know these are team tournaments. I also know that WON used to draw 60-80 boats. 29 this year....................

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:14 pm

I have no leg to stand on in this fight as I rarely fish team tournaments. However, what ever happened to fishing team tournaments to learn, improve your fishing skills and for the love of the sport?

If you are fishing team tournaments for the money then you are already in it for the wrong reason. These events are fun and give guys an opportunity to test their skills against other weekend worriors.

Let's see-40 boats and 4-6 people get a check. You are better off buying a lottery ticket if you are in it for the money.

Winning or cashing a check is merely a bonus.

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:16 pm

29 boats Inland Empire

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:18 pm

Robert, you are mixing apples and oranges. Ricky I think you have it RIGHT.

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:19 pm

hippie · Post by **hippie** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:20 pm

Nice job stan and chris. Bill your pay outs still suck

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:21 pm

Hippie YOU ARE A IDIOT!!!!

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:22 pm

William Pointing wrote:Hi Robert, Thanks we only got 29 boats. The FLW is not TEAM tournaments. All this disscussion is about TEAM tournaments. 1 in 5 is good, all orginzation PRETTY much follow this for the team circuits. Also $15.00 per team goes towards the fish off where a new boat is given away and cash prizes also for WON Bass. Josh Kiterow cooked the breakfast burrito's this morning and paid for it. WFP Construction sponsored the BBQ during the weigh in. Two Meals plus drinks,WOW.

I almost wanted to drive up there just to get a breakfast burrito. I do not think this thread was only pointed to WON Teams. All of the WON events including the Pro/Ams follow the same payback.

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:24 pm

What about the BBQ by Grant?

hippie · Post by **hippie** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:26 pm

well ricky some guys not i make more money fishing team tournies than you make fishing the pro stuff so that response is weak. theres some guys that bank on the team tournies as a prime income and i know of some guys that have gambled there house payment on team tournies. so the pay out is a big deal. I know bill im stupid for mentioning the obvious.

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:28 pm

So Hippie ooo wise one. What actually sucks about the payback.

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:36 pm

hippie wrote:i know of some guys that have gambled there house payment on team tournies.

That right there is sad. Gamble is the right term. It shouldn't be about the money but you are stupid if you continue to pay to play with no return. Might as well just go fishing and hire these guys to cater your day on the water. It actually may be cheaper in the long run.

one fish wonder · Post by **one fish wonder** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:46 pm

William Pointing wrote:Once again HIPPIE IS FULL OF SH@t!!! My Perris payout pays 1 in 5. And the last team to get money is paid $300.00. That's total with options. Here's the results of today. DL you are weak also. Show the payouts or shut the F@@@ up!!! Everybody knows NBW pays 100% enough said. No one can compete with that DUUUUU!!!

1St place Chris Bond/ Stan Boyd
2nd Place Brain Tressen / Fished alone
3rd Place Dino Capurisco / Joe Capurisco
4th Place Kyle Grover / Will Rakowitz
5th place Pat Casey / Fishing alone
6th place Kevin Stammer / Bryson Molesky
7th place Dave Nollar / Tim Nollar
8th place Mike Pua Mike Lillibrigde

19th Place Jason Atkins /Mtch Southern BB#1

What were the weights for the places above? Thanks for a fun derby and thanks to your family for helping. Burritos and hotdogs are better than any pay out when you don't place in the money. thanks

Todd

merkopac · Post by **merkopac** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:46 pm

Seems to me Wonbass takes $3000 to $5000 of the entry fees maybe Im doin the math wrong but it looks to me like $12,000 to $13,000 went in and $8000 or in that range came out.

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:50 pm

1st place 17.92
15.98
14.62
14.51
14.45
14.13
13.68
12.95
Big Bass 5.91

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:54 pm

Hey Merkopac,

Won Bass TELLS YOU exactly how much they Take. The TD's Get $15.00 per paid team. $15.00 goes to WON Bass. $15.00 goes towards the fish off. I HAVE PUT THIS UP MANY OF TIMES. Inland Empire Charges a $5.00 fee to HELP Pay for Permit and lake fee's. Today my lake fee's and permits were $175.00. Took in $140.00 $35.00 dollars out of my POCKET!!

Schneider Fishing · Post by **Schneider Fishing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:01 pm

Hey Bill
How did Delhey do? I checked www.wonbass.com but the results were not yet posted.

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:04 pm

They probaly won't get posted till tomorrow. 2.99 they sucked. I need that Battery?

DL · Post by DL » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:11 pm

DL you are weak also. Show the payouts or shut the F@@@ up!!!

Thanks for the wisdom Bill.

Schneider Fishing · Post by **Schneider Fishing** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:12 pm

Luckily I haven't taken it to be recycled yet. When you coming out towards Temecula. Maybe I can leave it on the porch for you or something. PM or email me for my address if you don't already have it.

Just curious, who is the other staff team this year and who is writing the articles? Looking forward to reading them.