The Whitehouse and the shocker

[DL]

Nothin like W givin us the ol' shocker!!!

[smittyfish]

This administration has been giving it to us for 8 years now.

I thought something felt uncomfortable.

[Tobe]

This administration has been giving it to us for 8 years now.

I thought something felt uncomfortable.

You are absolutely right, this administration has been giving us protection for over seven years, we have not had a terrorist attack since September 11.

For the sake of our country I hope we can say the same about our new president.

[gabuelhaj]

You are absolutely right, this administration has been giving us protection for over seven years, we have not had a terrorist attack since September 11.

What are you talking about? Take a look around and tell us what you see? We are being terrorized right now! American people loosing their jobs and benefits, and no future in sight! Americans should NOT be treated this way, ever! If you call that "protection", then you deserve to be "shocked" and awed....

[smittyfish]

You have got Tobe kidding me.

I'm safer from the foreign terrorists. But that doesn't give this administration the right to ram their fist up my @ss.

Now Obama gets to inherit this mess. I heard one of your hero's, Rush Limbaugh already call this the Obama recession. Supposedly everything fell apart due to the fear of him being elected. What a joke.

[Tobe]

Instead of throwing the typical blame bombs by making broad and vague accusations, why dont one of you two brilliant revelations of change give examples in your own words how this administration is directly responsible for our current economic recession and how it has effected you personally!

[smittyfish]

11 Billion dollars a month thrown down the toilet. We went to Iraq to finish off daddy's war. There was never an Al Queda connection to Saddam Hussein. Why did we ever go there. Now the country is infested with Al Queda. Good move Einstein. How long will we keep throwing money down the rat hole.

You keep supporting what will be know as the worst administration in the history of our country. Maybe if you keep your head in the sand long enough it will all go away.

By the way the republicans are the kings of broad and vague accusations. Did I mention that this is the Obama recession. Your Lord, Rush said so...............hahaha.

[Tobe]

I didn't think you could.
It's typical of people like you to spew out liberal talking points that you hear from the media, but when asked to back it up with facts the hate and name calling take center stage.

President Obama will be judged by the average voter on if he can turn this economy around, when the excuses start mounting, the blame game will resurface and the true President Obama will be exposed and defined.

[smittyfish]

An 11 billion dollar a month war with money that we don't have isn't a good reason to be in the economic situation that we are in?

Get real dude. You are the one spewing hate. You already hate the president elect and he hasn't done anything but get elected.

What hate and name calling are you talking about? Oh wait, I'm sorry, you don't seem to understand plain logic.

Go back to listening to your hero Rush Limbaugh and see what name calling and hate are all about. You will get plenty of that from your hero.

[Tobe]

You have got Tobe kidding me.

I'm safer from the foreign terrorists. But that doesn't give this administration the right to ram their fist up my @ss.

So I'm still waiting to here how this administration rammed their fist up your *** and how it effected you personally.

I keep hearing from people like you that our fight was only with Al Queda and the fact they were not in Iraq until we went there!
Well, you're admitting they are in Iraq now so what's your problem, why pull out now?
Or would it make more sense to let them regroup and fight them again, perhaps on U.S. soil?

We have been in Iraq for almost six years with a total cost of $572 billion dollars, are you saying if we had not went into Iraq the housing industry would have been fine, would that extra money we would have saved from the defense budget went towards your mortgage?
In one day our government (majority democrats) spent over $700 billion dollars with a stroke of a pen and the left wants more for Detroit, yet not a word of despair from you, why?

[smittyfish]

First off I'm not to worried about the mortgage mess since I don't have a mortgage. I paid my house off a couple of years ago when it first looked like the meltdown was coming.

This administration is responsible for the $700 billion bailout. I believe that makes them the socialists here. I never agreed with the bail out. What good is 700 billion going to do to an 18 trillion dollar banking industry. It is a bandaid that is just prolonging the inevitable. Once the entire economy collapses, which it will, and you can then blame Obama, I will reinvest in our country. Of course by then we will be an emerging market. Don't worry the worst is yet to come.

Your math on Iraq is way off. It is costing us 11 billion a MONTH.
That is a grand total of just under 8 trillion dollars. What in the world would we do with all that extra money?????

This administration has taken away many of our civil rights. They have lied to the entire country. Being a citizen of this country I believe that is how I have gotten the fist. You will never understand that with your narrow thinking.

You will save a lot of money on not needing to buy asprin. No brains, no headaches.

[ash]

HMM I know that hand sign,

Isnt that two in the Pink one in the stink?

I think that is a very fitting hand sign for this administration!

[smittyfish]

Be careful Ash,

Tobe is still a big supporter of this failed administration. He will jump on you for a negative view of this stellar group. His one sided views will amaze you.

[ash]

I will treat Tobe with Kid Gloves something like these

[StockOption]

LOL

Idiots.

Think Arizona State University.

Here go enlighten yourself.

http://deadspin.com/5086876/george-w-bu ... he-shocker

LOL

[smittyfish]

I was wondering how long it would take for this idiot to pop in with his brilliant observations.

Another die hard supporter of the biggest loser in our nations history. Keep your rose colored galsses on Einstein.

[Andy Lippert]

Smitty, I'd much rather have my head stuck in the sand than the place that your head resides...So far up your a$$ that you can't think straight.... I love your math, and am very curious as to where in the hell you got your figures (i.e. 11 billion a month, 8 trillion total). Go look up how much a trillion is, then get back to me...thanks.

So...11 billion a month thrown down the toilet? I am going to have to politely ask you to go f yourself after this comment. Thrown down the toilet!? HAVE YOU SEEN THE SMILES ON IRAQI CHILDRENS FACES NOW THAT THEY CAN PLAY OUT IN THE STREETS WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT A SADDISTIC DICTATOR COMING AND WHACKING THEIR FAMILIES?! HAVE YOU BEEN THANKED BY COUNTLESS IRAQI'S FOR PROVIDING THEM THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT OF FREEDOM!!??!?! I'm fairly sure that the answer to both those questions is NO. YOU HAVE NOT! So to say that we have thrown our money down the toilet is sickening to me. We have provided FREEDOM to a country whose former dictator oppressed and killed hundreds of thousands of it's citizens and all you can say is that we've thrown it down the toilet?! Do you KNOW PERSONALLY THE CURRENT SITUATION IN IRAQ AS FAR AS AL QAEDA IS CONCERNED?! THEY'RE ALMOST NON-EXISTENT NOW! Go read any story about the situation over there and you'll find that we've set a timeline to withdrawal within the next few years because of how great the situation is now. PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OLD MAN!

To say that Rush Limbaugh is a spokeman for republicans is ridiculous and wrong, and you know that. How delusional can you be?

Your math on Iraq is way off. It is costing us 11 billion a MONTH.
That is a grand total of just under 8 trillion dollars. What in the world would we do with all that extra money"

So let's check your math real quick here Smitty:

1 trillion=1,000 billion

(we'll go with your figures here and I'll say we've been in Iraq for six years even though it's only been 5 years 8 months)


11 billion X 72 Months = 792 billion (not even a trillion)


Coming from someone who doesn't even know how much a trillion is...that says a lot about you. In just can't imagine that someone of your extreme intelligence voted democrat! Imagine that!

It's guys like you Smitty that lower the morale of my buddies and I fighting for this country of ours. So if I were you, I'd keep your mouth shut and keep your opinions to yourself as far as the war goes until it's over. You don't have to be for it, you don't have to be against it, but to say that we "threw" anything down the toilet on the war in Iraq discredits those who have fought there, especially those who have lost their lives. [/quote]

[StockOption]

I was wondering how long it would take for this idiot to pop in with his brilliant observations.

Another die hard supporter of the biggest loser in our nations history. Keep your rose colored galsses on Einstein.

LOL

OK. Then you are obviously the "King of all the Idiots".

I'm truly surprised you didn't call McCain "Dracula" when you saw his photoshopped pictures pop up here too. LOL

When have you ever asked me -directly- what I think of Bush? Never. "King". (Too late now bright eyes cause I won't ever respond to your mindless, short-sighted drivel.)

Let me guess, like most "Kings" you LOVED Bill "the BJ" Clinton.

LOL

He and his crew were awesome;

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.


Ohh but the "King" forgot about the sanctions...damn........

LOL

I bow down to the "King".

LOL

[StockOption]

King.

LOL

[smittyfish]

Aren't you alread responding to my shortsighted drivel.

I will continue to lead you and the rest of the idiots into the future.

I will be your king.

HAHAHAHA

[Otay Michael]

Andy, thank you for your service. The main thing is that those folks appreciate you, for the most part, for risking your lives for the better good of humankind, especially theirs.

Keep safe,
OM

[Tobe]

Smittyfish,

Get better informed on the economy and current affairs, then get back to us.
Hey, a crash course in math might come in handy too!

[piseke]

Hey Andy, this is from Pat Iseke
I am glad that I read your post on this. Back when President Bush decided to send American men and women to Iraq, I believed that the need to take out Saddam and his henchmen who were destroying so many people was enough reason for one human to help another, for one country to come to the help of others oppressed by a government gone evil. Other men that have returned from Iraq have told me parallel experiences- Iraqi people thank them for freeing them from the horrible fear and evil actions of Saddam and his men. Thank you Andy.

Pat Iseke

[Greg_Cornish]

.....Iraqi people thank them for freeing them from the horrible fear and evil actions of Saddam and his men. Thank you Andy.

Pat Iseke

In a few years we'll see what other fears they face.

[Dom]

You got me going now, I will tell ya

He did not take proper mesures to insure american peoples jobs,SSI,Social programs were safe by not locking down the borders, He did not regulate the banks or wall street! He went to war and still we have no reason why! The list goes on and on !

Buch and his admin. are a complete failure hows your retirement looking Tobe? He gives the banks 700 billion dollars of our hard earned tax dollars and again NO REGULATION the CEOS still got Billions in Bonus's!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And thats money that could have been loaned to comanies such as Mervyns and many others to stay afloat thru the BIG R . But yet He puts huge limits on GM an American Haritage which directly effects thousands of American jobs! Why so much regulation on GM and not the Banks?

He is taking care of his RICH friends he says screw the american people! Look at what Obama has already done look whos hes picked to help lead this country he is correcting all the wrong in washington even thru is corupt friend under the bus becuase he was playing outside the rules trying to profit from his seat. And yall can preach all you want Rep want to destroy the auto Unions is the reason they backed out. and all they say this is how it has worked for years ITS WRONG!!!!

Obama is coming in kicking *** and taking names he is cleaning up Washington and 75% of America including me are is standing behind him, this is my Jab jab jab- right cross

[Marty]

Dom,

I’m now going to say you’re wrong or you’re right but you put too much faith in someone else doing something for you and your family – I did not take you as that sort of a person. I thought you were the type to stand on your own two feet.

Like the time you left your job and within a few weeks had one that was even better – you did that on your own. Yes you asked the others on
WB if they knew of any opening but you’re the one that obtain the position.

To tell you the truth I will make it no matter who is the President is – I have in the past and will in the future – why because I will not wait for someone else to give me anything. Before you ask me how my retirement is doing – it is excellent – yes I lost some ($26k) but I also lost that amount under Clinton. If you can’t take the heat stay out of the kitchen but don’t get mad at me if I live better. I take responsibility for my own action and don’t blame others or ask for handouts.

“The Best way to predict the future is to create it.â€

[Dom]

Marty

I can make my own future and I dont ask for hand outs but the writing is on the wall what your really saying is

It dont matter who have paid there dues, if I want to have life get easier the older I get then I should just work harder to help support the people who directly effect my families well being.

Meaning I should work hard to able to afford double coverage for my family but dont cry if your premiums keep going up every year or you have to give up some coverage, becuase you know we have to support all the people coming here from other countries to get everything for free! Naw Dom just go out and work harder quit crying about it!

Or what you started saving later in life and now your company wont match your contributions to your 401K Becuase they are loosing American Biz to other slave labor countries and money is tight!

Or Hey Ronda (Doms wife) sorry we cant give you that 2.00 raise you get every November our biggest account GE Nucleuar is having these parts made overseas and its really killed our bottom line hope we can stay afloat thru this ressecion!!!!!

Or Hey Dom (Chris Dom's brother-in law) Man I hold a contractors liscens and I am bidding these jobs so low I am bearly making a dime just to compete with Poncho and his crew of cheap labor who come here and rent a house and live 15-20 to a house (splitting all bills so they pay nothing hardly) for 6 months then go back to Mexico and live like kings! Man I hope we can stay afloat, I got bills that were due like yesterday!

Or Hey Dom (Kim Doms friend Single mom of 3) I had a good job at GM but just got laid off the bail out was not as big as they really needed and I see GM filing Bankrupt come April

I could go on and on I know the reasons why we are in this mess and your pres BUSH has done nothing to help the Bail out of the auto makers his "bail out" was just a band-aid to get his butt out of office.

I am not a stupid man I get it and if yall dont then yall arn't seeing the big picture I am not exspecting anyone to bail me out or give me a hand out but what I do exspect is my government to govern America so the people who have and are working hard can enjoy a prosperous life I did not sign up to be a FATHER TO NO ONE ELSE BUT MY KIDS and no getting out of that one I signed the birth certificates. It is not my responsibility to take care of all the illegals in this country And when my disposable incomes keep getting smaller due to all the BS your pesidient has caused do not tell me to buck up and just work harder, how would you like me to come over to your house and just hook up to bassanova and drive off with it? You just gonna sit back and say well guess i will just have to go out and work harder to buy another?

NO your gonna fight to keep whats yours! And thats what I am doing making my voice heard to the uneducated in this country of why we are in the siuation we are in.

Now I ask you to PROVE ME WRONG!

[Rod Martin]

I could go on and on I know the reasons why we are in this mess and your pres BUSH has done nothing to help the Bail out of the auto makers his "bail out" was just a band-aid to get his butt out of office.


Dom I dont think I understand, Congress didnt bail out the auto makers[ and they are Dems] Bush gave them something.
Are you saying he should have given more or less?


Thanks
Rod

[Marty]

Thanks for the reply Dom,

Yes, I’m asking you to work smarter and longer hours not for someone else but for your family. I put in 55 to 60 hours a week not to pay more taxes for the Social Programs Obama wants to bring in. I don’t work those extra hours to pay for some company tying to get Government Medical Insurance at my expense. I have never work for a company that has not offered me Medical Insurance so why do others? Everyone wants to blame the Rich and the Big Companies for what they don’t have. Bite the hand that feeds you! There is this movement going on right now that Capitalism is the fault and Socialism is the answer.

As for illegal Mexicans coming over the border I’m totally against that – you should know that. But I’m also saying on the illegal’s issue there is no difference between the two parties and both Obama and Bush will not stop it – they both want it because it makes us competitive with other countries in the World market plus they think the Mexicans will vote for them. The problem is the job we are losing are not worth much and the people that lose those jobs don’t want to retrain to move forward in their careers. We have a complete generation that is trapped in labor intensive work when technology is the way forward. We think of it and someone else builds it. We are in a World economy if we like it or not.

As for the bailout – I believe it is the worst thing that our Government has done. We are in this mess because of Social Programs and removing of regulations that were set in place to prevent this from happing.

[Dom]

Hey Rod

No, what I am saying is I am against the bail out period but if they are gonna do it then they should do it right. Congress voted to pass the bail out but Republicans pulled out of the deal and did not want to give the bail out due to them wanting to ruin the unions.

The AMERICAN people cried out and Bush knowing he is going down in the history books as one of the worst Presidents of all time had to act so he took some money from the 700 billion dollar bail out with a ton of regulation and limits to just get em by till he is out of office.

And Marty

Again I hear you, so whens a good time for me to stop by and take "BASSANOVA" you can just go out and work 70-80 hours a week Naw I dont want to have to work that many hours I want to live life. Enjoy my kids growing up be there for em.

But then thats another whole story in it's self Mom and dad having to work to provide a decent life for the kids reason so many kids are screwed up these days no parental supervision becuase mom and dad gotta work. UNLESS you try to screw the system like the family across the street they got 9 KIDS! mom stays at home all day Collecting welfare,food stamps,medi-cal,etc... While dad goes to work his 40 hour week job for all there fun money like driving a new van and car with stereo systems in both cars drives me nuts hear his *** coming blocks away!

If we took every illegal right now out of CA you would see a Huge turn around in this state just about overnight. Its simple if you got a gallon jug you aint fitting any more in it once you hit the full mark. California is and has been overflowing for years look back at what Gray Davis did

So I will just have to agree to disagree

I aint mad at ya PEACE

[Marty]

Hey Dom,

I’m having a hard time following you – everything you say I agree with but then you go out and voted for Obama that does not believe in what you are saying – I baffled on your statements!

NO, I don’t work 70-80 hours a week, what I said was 55 to 60 hours a week – the reason is that’s what I signed up for. I knew it from the get go I would be working those hours. The extra 15 to 20 hours give me those additional things my family needs and wants plus the money for my retirement (investment). That way I don’t go to others and ask them for theirs. But Obama wants to take that away from me and give it to the ones that don’t want to sacrifice.

It would seem that you want to have your cake and eat too – you just want to do your 40 hours a week but you want the same things I have? Well to have those same things you have to put into it. Take a CEO for some Big Company – they are the ones putting in those 70-80 hours a week you mention but everyone is down on them because of the money they make. It is all “Class Envyâ€

[smittyfish]

Oh Marty,

You have now hit on a very sore subject with me. I'm a proud union member. You have painted all unions with the same paint brush. You are very wrong there.

I'm very loyal to the company I work for. I don't get paid when I don't work. I don't get 100% of my pay when I retire. I get full medical if I pay for it out of my retirement. We are constantly laying people off during these tough times. We always fix a problem weather it is our problem or not. So be careful when you try to talk of something you obviously know nothing about.

I'm hoping that you meant the auto union and not all unions. But the way it read is the way I took it.

When work was good I worked 60 hours a week. I busted my *** to get where I am today. I have a house that is paid for and a very nice nest egg. I own stock in the company I work for and am very loyal to that company. When they make money, I make more money. None of that was done because of Bush, Clinton or any other president. I did the work to get where I am.

Everyones good luck can be brought upon by themselves.

[Marty]

Smitty, I can see that and I have to adjust the statement on Unions – just adjust nothing more – Dom and I were talking about car manufactures and I also added the State of California.

Yes – I’m not a Union person but that is not to say Unions did not sever their purpose in their day or still severing some today. But some of their demands are beyond reason.

Take the State of Michigan – it is owned by the UAW and it is killing the State’s economy (Michigan is not a “Right to Workâ€

[smittyfish]

Marty,

I thought that you were talking about the auto industry. But since you said unions in general, I had to respond. I think the auto union deserves to be on hard times. I heard them a couple of weeks ago say that they weren't going to give anything back during these tough times. If that is true, then the deserve to be gone. Then suddenly they are ready to talk. I think they realized that a little of something is better than a lot of nothing.

Keep in mind that the agreements are made through "Collective" bargaining. That means that both sides agree to the terms. So you can ask for all that you want. But you also don't have to agree to it all either.

I'm an operating engineer. We do grading and are hurt first by the low housing start numbers. The company I work for, with a lot of forward thinking have been able to keep a fair number of people working through landfill work and roads and bridges. Although we have been hit hard. We have been able to change on the fly. In fact I will hear the sobering news about our company at our shareholders meeting next month. But it has all been good for me.

I agree that hard work is what gets a person ahead. I made much of my own "good luck" through my hard work and sacrafice. But I still have 15 more years of this before I can really retire. I have 2 kids to get through college first.

By the way it is nice to have a calm discussion with someone here without getting my head bitten off. We don't and won't always agree. But that doesn't make someone an idiot. Thanks for the level head.

You too have a very merry Christmas.

In fact I wish all conservatives and liberals a merry Christmas and happy New Year.

[Marty]

Thanks Smitty and I hope everything turnout good for you next month.