Is Obama the second coming?

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:14 am

1st compareing him to JK, then Lincoln, Top Hats and train rides.

What buttons is this guy NOT going to push?

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:29 am

It is the republicans that are comparing him to all these things not the dems and now they are making a deal out of it.

Typical republican spin, create the issue, complain about the issue, blame the dems for the issue.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:31 am

Hey, I did'nt put him on the train.

I think maybe he's pulling the strings to make it happen. But thats just me.

This is not rep. or dem. just is he a showboat or not.

Pretty simple. I've seen Pres. shorwn in with a lot less Hoopla.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:36 am

80% approval rating going in, just like Reagan. You need to re-work the poll so there's a choice.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:24 am

Dumb old me. I cannot get the survey to edit.

But this was not about ratings or what he's going to do just about all the hoopla with him going in.

I know he's the first black Pres., there should be some .
I just think [ HE] is playing on the history thing a bit much.

PS Greg you can go back and show all the things the past Presidents have done I'm sure there are some that can be brought up to compare.

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:49 am

I don't think this is a reflection on him as much although you have to admit this his history in the making. I think this is more of reflection of the whole country, a reflection of the Bush legacy. The country has grown weary of the Bush administration and everything that goes with it.

There is a breath of fresh air coming into this country lets just hope it's not too late to breath some life back into us.

Bob Simard · Post by **Bob Simard** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:34 pm

....... will it be the Republicans fault?

Dems have had both houses of Congress for how many years? And now hold the Whitehouse as well.

Bush has made a mess of Iraq - I'll certainly agree with that. However, Congress spends the cash. My problem with Bush is he looked the other way (in Iraq) while Congress spent and spent and spent some more.

Obama and the Dems now have a green field to back us out of Iraq and spend less than they take in, and pay down the debt.

I certainly hope they take the reins and do something with them.

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:18 pm

actually the dems did not get control of congress until 2 yrs ago I believe and the republicans had it for 6 yrs before that.

Bob Simard · Post by **Bob Simard** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:48 pm

and Bush did little or nothing to stop NEITHER Republican or Democrat houses from spending like drunken sailors...

I'll put the question a different way.

How long will it take the Democrats to fix everything?

Outside of the filibuster, the Republicans are marginalized to the point of insignificance.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:02 pm

Bob Simard wrote:Dems have had both houses of Congress for how many years?

What Fishaholic said

Bob Simard wrote:Bush has made a mess of Iraq - I'll certainly agree with that. However, Congress spends the cash. My problem with Bush is he looked the other way (in Iraq) while Congress spent and spent and spent some more.

Yes, Its a good thing the war was free, will the Democrats wasted the money on programs in our own country.

Bob Simard wrote:Obama and the Dems now have a green field to back us out of Iraq and spend less than they take in, and pay down the debt.

I certainly hope they take the reins and do something with them.

Well lets see, when Clinton left office the Republicans had worked with him into paying off the deficit and balancing the budget in 7 years GOD'S TRUTH! Then George Bush got power and a Republican House and Senate and that whole thing went right out the window.

Now we're 1 year past the end of that 7 years and we are headed for a great depression that no one can stop and you guys still got your radios tuned to Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savich or whatever his name is. Well, how's that workin for ya?

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:21 pm

I don't think anyone thinks the dems can fix everything. I realize that the dems and republicans both have issues but my only hope now is that we will have a president in 2 days that can actually lead this country and not be fixated on one issue. A president that can see that what he does in Europe or the Middle East has affects on us back home and that you just can't keep borrowing and printing money and not worry about the consequences down the road.

Obama can't fix this countries problems overnight, we will be lucky to be seeing daylight before his first term is up but at least we have hope now, someone with enough intelligence that will ask and take others opinion and someone without the name of Bush.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:40 pm

boy , say something about all the fuss and you guys get it back to Rs & Ds.

News for you they are both taking your money and giving you crap.

But thats not the poll or subject.

Is it more like Hollywood or Broadway lately or not

and Greg you said 80% happy with him, I should be able to go in the street and get a random that supports that?

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:44 pm

Rod Martin wrote:and Greg you said 80% happy with him, I should be able to go in the street and get a random that supports that?

I didn't personally take that poll that said 80% approved, nor did I take the one that said 80% approved of Reagan. I'm just regurgitating what I heard on the radio as I woke up this morning.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:51 pm

will be on CL end of may, probley out of KV, my club always has a T on the holiday weekend. If lucky maybe we'll see you.

Bob Simard · Post by **Bob Simard** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:15 pm

Who said anything about the war being free Greg?

And again - in your words - 'That whole thing went out the window' because BOTH Republican and Democrat alike spent more money than they took in, i.e. deficit spending.

Sorry, while I have met Rush at several political events in the late 80s, I don't have the time to listen to talk radio. My thoughts and opinions are my own.

Great depression? While that sounds awfully dramatic, what indicators are you looking at? Both GDP and GNP are down, but still less than 3 percent. You hear that on the Al Frankin show?

hydro · Post by **hydro** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:03 am

Seems to me with the economic state of the country a "real" leader would tone down or skip entirely all the hoopla over the inaugeration celebration . I now hear Bush has declared the capital a disaster over security and is spending FEMA money for more security at the inaugeration . What if we needed that money for an "actual" disaster? It's a dangerous situation to have no one in the mainstream media questioning /scrutinizing what the incoming administration is doing . I keep waiting to see the "Change" is it sure looks like the same old B.S. to me..........

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:54 am

hydro wrote:Seems to me with the economic state of the country a "real" leader would tone down or skip entirely all the hoopla over the inaugeration celebration...........

Obama's kids are paying for the whole thing out of their allowance.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:58 am

yea, your kids are paying for it.
When you're throwing around the word Billion all the time. The Millions for this seem like CHANGE

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:01 am

We're getting rid of Bush and no-one wants to party? Gees I thought I was old and grumpy.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:47 am

Let me see, it is going to cost $150 million to say 35 words.

"I do solemnly swear [or affirm] that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Sorry I mean 70 words - the Chief Justice of the United States - says the words first and they are repeated by the second coming (when was his first coming?).

Wait let me count again â€“ it will be 76 words - the magnificent one will also have to say his name â€“ the Chief Justice will say â€œState your nameâ€

getalife · Post by **getalife** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:28 am

I think many people are happy to see Obama taking the reins, but an equal number are just as happy to see Bush leave. Let them have there day. Once the honeymoon is over we will see if all this "Hope and Change" was just typical campaign BS or if he can really make it happen. I have my doubts.

With regard to Bush, no one on this forum really knows what his legacy will be. As unpopular as it may seem, I believe that historians will come to recognize him as a great leader that had the courage to do the right thing when it was unpopular. If your going to make an omelet, you have to break a few eggs.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:37 am

From what I hear peoples patience will last nine months according to history, then the approval ratings will start to drop. That's what happened with Reagan. But there will be time to turn that all around. Pelosi keeps saying she doesn't agree to everything Obama has in mind. Good. I hope they butt heads on many issues. She'll lose.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:14 am

Sometimes the big stick has to come out.

Its does'nt matter who you hit it matters that you brought it out.

I think Bush was a great man, that tried hard to do what he thought was right at the time.and should be remembered as such.

As far as our troops in Iraq , I cant bring them home and dont belive they should be brought home untill the job is done.

But I'm an old truck driver, and if one truck driver needs to come home, they can put me over there in his place.

zues · Post by **zues** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:35 pm

The system is rigged. Look, you guys are arguing rep. vs. dems. Please try to point out ANYTHING that is different between these two parties? Not the retorect mind you that each side spews, because I'm tired of hearing that. Show me the difference. You can't because it aint there man. This clown coming in says he's for the little guy, yet we're spending more on his crowning, oh excuse me, his inaguration, than any president before him. He ran on every damn program he could think of for every person he could think of, then, before he has even taken office, he's backing out on many. (personally, i find that one hilarious) Meanwhile, Mr. Bush is laughing all the way to the bank; him and Dick have bankrupted this country, gotten everyone to buy into a bailout for their wall st. buddies, and they're gone baby. However, every fricken dem voted for it too......hell, the two clowns that ran for pres. voted for it!!!!
Man, all you have to do is look at our own state's politicts, and how screwed up we are here to know it is not working. Billions of dollars in debt, these monkeys can't even balance a check book, like the rest of us have to. But, why should they? They redrew the district lines so that they will always have a job. They can't be voted out!!! Becasue us donkeys and elephants, can't see past their smoke and mirror games long enough to quit arguing and throw the bums out!! So, here we ae, we have the misiah about to take office; a guy with a VERY checkered past, a liberal voting record (when he bothered to show up), and a cabinent that looks like Clinton 2 to me. They're hosting him up like he's FDR and JFK and Lincoln all rolled into one, and the sob hasn't even taken office yet!!! We had ALL better pray that he's half as good as everyone seems to think he is, because if he's not, well,,,,,you figure it out

getalife · Post by **getalife** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:11 pm

Very well said zues!

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:32 pm

I like it some are getting Mad â€“ we need more upset persons like zues, then maybe we can get something done.

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:08 pm

Rod Martin wrote:Sometimes the big stick has to come out.

Its does'nt matter who you hit it matters that you brought it out.

I think Bush was a great man, that tried hard to do what he thought was right at the time.and should be remembered as such.

As far as our troops in Iraq , I cant bring them home and dont belive they should be brought home untill the job is done.

But I'm an old truck driver, and if one truck driver needs to come home, they can put me over there in his place.

Well, with that reasoning then Obama should be a great president or anyone for that matter should be great because they are doing what they "think" is right. The problem is what they "think" is right and what is really right are 2 different things.

I highly doubt time will help the Bush legacy, I think he will be remembered for a failed presidency and rank close to the bottom of the list of good presidents.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:26 pm

Fish all any man can do is what he thinks is right.

What is really right, Thats what I think is right and you know is wrong.

And you know what is wrong? Thats what you think is right and I know is wrong

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:44 pm

Rod Martin wrote:Fish all any man can do is what he thinks is right.

What is really right, Thats what I think is right and you know is wrong.

And you know what is wrong? Thats what you think is right and I know is wrong

I hear ya

hydro · Post by **hydro** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:20 pm

"I highly doubt time will help the Bush legacy, I think he will be remembered for a failed presidency and rank close to the bottom of the list of good presidents." (opinion)

(fact) Abe Lincoln in his day was not considered a great President at the time which was a factor in his premature death . Mr. Lincoln's legacy came later after historians reviewed his actions during his stint in office and seems to be typical with Presidents who have served during difficult times in our history.

The Obama Presidentcy is unprecidented from the standpoint that he has already been declared a "Great" President before he has even set foot in the White House?

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:24 pm

hydro wrote:The Obama Presidentcy is unprecidented from the standpoint that he has already been declared a "Great" President before he has even set foot in the White House?

I must have missed that.

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:56 pm

"The Obama Presidentcy is unprecidented from the standpoint that he has already been declared a "Great" President before he has even set foot in the White House"

That must have been the republicans that declared that just like they declared he was the second coming of christ, they declared he was a muslim, they declared he was a terrorist sympithiser (?) and they declared him a communist and many others.

Hear this from this dems mouth, I declare that Barack Hussien Obama is the best hope for this country after 8 yrs of Bush.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:04 pm

I am not even sure he's the best of the runts.

I do know that we[americans] dont even get a chance to vote on anyone not handpicked by others.

Would'nt it be nice to know all the back room deals done before its settled and the canadates are brought out.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:07 pm

Greg_Cornish wrote:
hydro wrote:The Obama Presidentcy is unprecidented from the standpoint that he has already been declared a "Great" President before he has even set foot in the White House?
I must have missed that.

What are you talking about Greg, Hydro is correct. I just heard on the radio today that they want to build a monument to Obama. He is just a man and his learning curve to move more right is on high â€“ some of you guys are going to be piss he does pull our troops out of Iraq.

I heard a roomer from some of my inside sources â€“ Bush is going to put â€œOâ€

hydro · Post by **hydro** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:26 am

OK lets see now FishaHallic.........
The American media has compared Obama to

A) Abraham Lincoln

B) FDR

C) JFK

and this is before he has even taken office, made one decision,signed his first bill. Are you trying say the media is controlled by the Republicans?
I think its common knowledge which way the media leans and its not with the GOP

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:38 am

before, it was fix it now. now it looks like you guys are already working on a 2nd term.

is'nt pres. yet and already running for 2nd term.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:43 pm

Wow, zero arrests in DC today and 30 calls about physical problems which is an average day for calls for physical problems. That's got to be to smoothest inauguration day in a very long time.

what part is slick willy salesman, What part real.

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