West Coast Bass

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:31 am

I arrived to the partner pairing expecting a lot and having high expectations given the history and experience that WCB has putting on tournaments.

To make a long story short my expectations were not met and the partner pairing was the worse and most confusing that I had ever experienced. Granted there was some major mix-ups with the new computer program that should have been given a run through a mock pairing. This left several pro and cos not knowing who they fished with on which day. I was called out boat number 37 and told that I was 34 in the morning.

The weigh in was very well run and I was impressed with the number of staff that assisted with the new rules for weighing in fish. However, they should have explained that they were changing the boat check for day 2.

The second day blast off was a cluster as they changed the set up without announcing it. Someone decided that it would be better to do a drive by blast off on the second day. This was a great idea but no one actually new what was going on.

Here are my suggestions:
1. Practice the pairing before the actual meeting
2. Print out cards with each pros and cos name on it that lists their day one and day two partners (or place to write it), flight numbers, and weigh in times. Have a card for each day or front and back.
3. Explain during the partner pairing how the livewell check and weighin will be done before time and the location
4. Explain to co anglers about not taking their second day pros to their first days pros water
5. Announce what the payout will be based on the number of boats. No one knew what we were actually fishing for.
6. Fish a FLW event and compare how things are done and take the good things and expand on the things that you do well. There are some things that can be learned from how professional the partner pairings are, how the weighins are run, and detailed things are explained and how the boats are staged and sent out in the morning.
7. There was also a couple co anglers left stranded due to a no show of a pro.

8. Get rid of the tape for boat check and use an electronic program or paper. Have a list with everyone's name and mark off the name during boat check. I never understood why orgs do this. BASS and FLW and WON stop doing this years ago.

I wonâ€™t be fishing anymore WCB this year mainly due to scheduling conflicts with FLW. I do intend to give AC a shot at Oroville. I hope they step things up as we really need a weekend pro/am that is professional run and meets the needs of the anglers.

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:02 am

Where can i see the payout? $630.00 should pay good

tunaman · Post by **tunaman** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:06 am

Posted in the other thread:

Phil wrote:As for payback. you can call or email Larry at his website that I can tell you if you email me. I can not say it here..

Thanks

Phil

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:09 am

Why not post it.

tunaman · Post by **tunaman** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:11 am

Dunno... must be a secret? I know most of the organizations post their payouts - not sure why WCB wouldn't as well?

Roger

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:15 am

MAN, thats BAD!!! Just went on there web site, it shows the weights, but no payouts. How come everyone not screaming about this?

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:22 am

William Pointing wrote:MAN, thats BAD!!! Just went on there web site, it shows the weights, but no payouts. How come everyone not screaming about this?

I do know for one, that it has been 1 1/2 days since the tournament, I would imagine you will probably see the answers today or tomorrow. It was decided to have the winners up first, sunday night, and worry about the later , later this week. Seems I can remember waiting week/weeks for just results from other Orgs. Why attack this Org, its just getting its feet under it after the first, windy , rainy, successful tournament at Clearlake. Please, Please be patient. $$$ will be posted soon.........Thank you all for your support and patience..........

Jigs

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:28 am

COOL, I can respect that. As a customer trying to plan future events it really impacts me. Do you think the publicty that other orgs got from waiting was good? Sorry I couldn't make the first event.

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:30 am

William Pointing wrote:COOL, I can respect that. As a customer trying to plan future events it really impacts me. Do you think the publicty that other orgs got from waiting was good? Sorry I couldn't make the first event.

.....

No, this is why you are not going to have to wait a week or two....

Thank you all for your patience with us..I talked to the man thios morning, look on the website tonight / tomorrow , all the points and money will be there................again, thank you all

Jigs

snapitoff2002 · Post by **snapitoff2002** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:58 am

I don't know all the payouts, but on the pro side, the winner ended up with 8,000. I'd say that's pretty good with only 43 boats for their first tournament back. I agree that there were some things that were a little disorganized, but everyone who originally fished this circuit told me how good of a show Larry put on. BTW, I hope you ended up getting on some fish for this week Ricky.

Josh Palmer

Brian Ruthman · Post by **Brian Ruthman** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:10 am

When is it going to be on TV i want to watch Ricky sprint to the front deck of his boat !

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:16 am

Talking to the man this morning, first and formost was the importance of getting up the winners on the internet sunday night / monday morning after getting home late from Clearlake. I have been advised that later today, tonight the points and money winnings will be posted. As far as when the T.V. will be aired, you will have to call or email the man himself. I do know that the Camera man is from Washington, and will be driving home to edit it all. Could be awhile ??? Ask Larry he will know.

Thank you all

Jigs

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:17 am

No chance on seeing me as I stunk up the place. Plus, I am getting old and I am not as quick as I used to think I was. Nonetheless, I am still blessed that I get to do what I love and chase these little green fish all over the West.

I just hope I catch a fish on Thursday and Friday to get some points for the championship.

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:27 am

Ricky-S wrote:No chance on seeing me as I stunk up the place. Plus, I am getting old and I am not as quick as I used to think I was. Nonetheless, I am still blessed that I get to do what I love and chase these little green fish all over the West.

I just hope I catch a fish on Thursday and Friday to get some points for the championship.

I thought we caught you on film ?? With all the wave action, we did not get as many guys as we wanted to, wet and lots of water on the camera gear and us...I am still walking funny from all the rocking and rolling from all the waves, WOW! it was rough ..

jfross · Post by **jfross** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:09 pm

A great group of fisherman and tournament staff, Larry, Joe, Richard, Phil and about 6 others i dont know the names of. Bass fisherman from the south, guys we need to support this organization. My feeling is it will be big. Larry got to know everybody by there first and last name, old and new commers. I felt like i wasnt just a number like the other pro am events. As for my personel experience. I was the guy left at the dock saturday morning when my boater didnt show. I stood at the dock in disbelief as all the boats were at blast off. All the staff on the dock did everything they could to contact my boater as well as appologized for the unfortunate situation, as well as offering to take me out to fish the day. These guys were great. I ended up fishing on my boat with Richard. We had a great day and great fun. I therefore eliminated myself to give the other paired up non boater the opportunity to weigh fish both days. I also was invited to share in a staff meeting on saturday and these guys are about what the fisherman are asking for. Every subject they discuss had one thing in mind, "what does the fisherman want". In the end Larry is paying my entry fee to the next tourniment at Orville. What other pro am event would do this. None that i am aware of. What turned out to be a big dissapointment saturday morning ended up being a great experience with no regrets. Tim H., I hope your wife is doing well and I have no hard feeling on my end. My boaters wife had a heart attack early saturday morning, family first. For those of you having second thoughts about fishing W.C.B., just sign up, show up and fish. The organization will only get better and more organized as it goes along. JohnF.

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:11 pm

Phil wrote:
Ricky-S wrote:No chance on seeing me as I stunk up the place. Plus, I am getting old and I am not as quick as I used to think I was. Nonetheless, I am still blessed that I get to do what I love and chase these little green fish all over the West.

I just hope I catch a fish on Thursday and Friday to get some points for the championship.
I thought we caught you on film ?? With all the wave action, we did not get as many guys as we wanted to, wet and lots of water on the camera gear and us...I am still walking funny from all the rocking and rolling from all the waves, WOW! it was rough ..

Phil what kind of boat were you in that you were rocking around and all WET from the waves and um walking funny? Just curious....

TonyM · Post by **TonyM** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:24 pm

A guy has a bad tournament, then rips the organization on their first tournament. If your intent is to offer constructive criticism, why not contact the director directly instead of throwing them under the bus here?

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:59 pm

Hollywood wrote:
Phil wrote:
Ricky-S wrote:No chance on seeing me as I stunk up the place. Plus, I am getting old and I am not as quick as I used to think I was. Nonetheless, I am still blessed that I get to do what I love and chase these little green fish all over the West.

I just hope I catch a fish on Thursday and Friday to get some points for the championship.
I thought we caught you on film ?? With all the wave action, we did not get as many guys as we wanted to, wet and lots of water on the camera gear and us...I am still walking funny from all the rocking and rolling from all the waves, WOW! it was rough ..

Phil what kind of boat were you in that you were rocking around and all WET from the waves and um walking funny? Just curious....

Boat mattered not, I had three camera men in the boat. 4 ft plus waves. Going side ways, spray all over the place. So on and so on !
The Draw
1. pro name .............1st day am ******2nd day am *****
so on and so on..........its to bad people did not listen and take their won notes, come on you people are adults.
2. 43 ------ 8" x 11" pieces of paper were given and or available to each pro during the draw ...
3. All boat livewell check was announced, as was the drive by check the second day.
4. It is a no brainer to figure out you don't take second day pro to your 1st day pros water !!! Daaa???
5. All pro's know what they are fishing for, just ask them, or they would not be there in the first place.
6. no comment
7. Why would you think it was West Coast fault for a Pro not showing up ???? (and yes One was stranded, I spent some time with him at breakfeast the next day)!!
8. Tape was used so boats could be identified for the camera boat, since there were so many prefishers for FLW on the water !!
It is a sad issue that you did not have a good time Ricky. I am sure that West Coast had no intent of spoiling your day.

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:02 pm

Hey Jigs-I had a great time. Fishing is always fun-win lose or draw. I just enjoy fishing tournaments. I didn't have a bad tournament. I was not on anything to begin with. I was merely there to support an organization that I started fishing as an am and gave my opinion of both good and not good. I would not call that ripping an organization.

I also went into the tournament knowing that I could not fish the entire circuit due to conflicts with FLW.

I would and have done the same with WON, AC and FLW.

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:42 pm

FWIW Ricky I think you gave a pretty fair assessment. Some folks seem overly sensitive about feedback. I didn't read anywhere where you said you didn't have a good time or that it was WCBs fault for an am to be left on the bank. One of the biggest things I've seen lately is that the orgs don't listen to the fisherman... Go figure.

As far as the payback, nobody ever knows what it is going in, sure we all have an idea, but not an exact number, especially when the turnout is less than 30% of what a "full field" is listed at.. Everybody was curious how the payback from this new organization would shake out under those conditions.

And Phil... FLW runs one of the best, smoothest tournaments around. They should considering how many they've run. To randomly dismiss the suggestion that you could learn a couple things from their model is foolish.

Bill Brown Jr. · Post by **Bill Brown Jr.** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:01 pm

For those interested, paybacks are now posted.

http://westcoastbass.net/clear-lake-feb ... /index.php

N.A.R · Post by **N.A.R** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:14 pm

FWIW???????

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:35 pm

For What its Worth?

N.A.R · Post by **N.A.R** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:43 pm

Thanks Ricky I thought....

For what I witnessed......LOL

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:27 pm

And Phil... FLW runs one of the best, smoothest tournaments around. They should considering how many they've run. To randomly dismiss the suggestion that you could learn a couple things from their model is foolish.[/quote]

and Bryanmc, here we go.......I do not dismiss anything, I don't own the Org, I donated my time for free, did not make a dime.
And I also just stated my facts & thoughts; see how fast it all gets turned around ???

Thanks guys

Phil

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:07 pm

Hey Jigs-No disrespect to you or WCB but there is info in your post that is not factual. For example, everyone was not given the draw paper.

Was it available-yes, but no one in my row nor anyone around me was given one nor was I presented with one during the draw or check in process. We were all told that they would be posted outside the room. If you were there at the partner pairing you know there were problems.

No one new the exact dollar amount that we were fishing for or what 1st place would pay or the number of spots that would be paid. As a matter of fact there was NO mention of the payout during the partner pairing.

As someone who has fished tournaments all over the country including BASS, FLW, WON, AC and several national championships I know what to expect when I walk into a professional draw tournament and what information should be available and provided for anglers. My suggestions are in no way intended as an attack on WCB as I believe that anglers should fish every org and decide for themselves where they can get the most bang for their buck. For me and 260-300 others this weekend it will be FLW.

I also know that not everyone is in the same situation that allows them to fish 15-20 pro tournaments or take 10-15 weeks off of work a year. The West needs a quality weekend pro/am circuit to get more people involved in tournaments. That might be WCB and it might not be. The anglers will decide.

In either case I would challenge anyone who works for any tournament organization or who is interested in pro tournaments to attend (or fish) a FLW or BASS weigh in and make the decision for your self. Heck, the Future Pro Tour puts on a better show than most of the non FLW/BASS events that Iâ€™ve fished. Something could also be learned from Vince whether you like him or not.

Now, Iâ€™ll go back into my cave and disappear for a while. Itâ€™s fishing time and Iâ€™ll leave the politics to the politicians.

CN · Post by CN » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:25 pm

William Pointing wrote:MAN, thats BAD!!! Just went on there web site, it shows the weights, but no payouts. How come everyone not screaming about this?

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:40 am

Ricky-S wrote:Hey Jigs-No disrespect to you or WCB but there is info in your post that is not factual. For example, everyone was not given the draw paper.

Was it available-yes, but no one in my row nor anyone around me was given one nor was I presented with one during the draw or check in process. We were all told that they would be posted outside the room. If you were there at the partner pairing you know there were problems.

No one new the exact dollar amount that we were fishing for or what 1st place would pay or the number of spots that would be paid. As a matter of fact there was NO mention of the payout during the partner pairing.

As someone who has fished tournaments all over the country including BASS, FLW, WON, AC and several national championships I know what to expect when I walk into a professional draw tournament and what information should be available and provided for anglers. My suggestions are in no way intended as an attack on WCB as I believe that anglers should fish every org and decide for themselves where they can get the most bang for their buck. For me and 260-300 others this weekend it will be FLW.

I also know that not everyone is in the same situation that allows them to fish 15-20 pro tournaments or take 10-15 weeks off of work a year. The West needs a quality weekend pro/am circuit to get more people involved in tournaments. That might be WCB and it might not be. The anglers will decide.

In either case I would challenge anyone who works for any tournament organization or who is interested in pro tournaments to attend (or fish) a FLW or BASS weigh in and make the decision for your self. Heck, the Future Pro Tour puts on a better show than most of the non FLW/BASS events that Iâ€™ve fished. Something could also be learned from Vince whether you like him or not.

Now, Iâ€™ll go back into my cave and disappear for a while. Itâ€™s fishing time and Iâ€™ll leave the politics to the politicians.

FUNNY YOU SHOULD MENTION VINCE; HE SHOWED UP THAT NIGHT, WE TALKED, WE ALL HAD MEETING, VINCE INCLUDED AT BREAJFEAST THE NEXT MORNING, LOTS OF THINGS DISCUSSED AND BROUGHT UP. RICKY, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING FOR THE MOST , LARRY WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL, IT SEEMED TO ME A GOOD TIME TO ASK HIM ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME, ALSO HIS NUMBER ONE MAN DENNIS LEE WAS RIGHT THERE ALSO , WITH ALL THE COMPUTER ANSWERS. JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, GUY , THEY ARE THERE TO ASK AND HELP YOU. I AM JUST A LABORER GUY LOL.........THANKS, SORRY FOR THE CAPS, ITS NOT YELLING, EYES NOT FOCUSED THIS AM.......

PHIL

russ@russmeyer1.com · Post by **russ@russmeyer1.com** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:34 am

Ricky I to was not impressed with a few things at the WCB . But overall I think it was a great event , There was nothing there that can't be overcome and get much better as they learn from each event. But maybe that is my opinion because I had a good tournament . You know for only 43 boats I got a check for $ 2500 for 4 Th place I did not get rich ,but for the amount of boats it was a very good payback.It will grow if we let it and each event will be Televised which will eventually look great to sponsors for them and us as long as we keep a positive outlook on it.Sometimes when I don't do good I tend to have a bad attitude for a few days I hope this was the case for you and you get over it . I have been around this sport for many years and we have always had room for all the events. I think it is great this way there are different strokes for different folks.I also will be fishing all the events as I can.You had some vary good Ideas in your post that hopefully they will consider in the future. But Ricky I don't know you other than seeing you around from time to time . But I do see you on this site quite often and it seems that you are never happy. We all love this sport and should all stick together especially in these tough times when its hard to get all the guys and girls out in numbers.I enjoy to fish any event I can when I can. That means all events . But to bash someone or a certain org is a bit like biting the hand that feeds you. Give these guys credit for coming out in these times and trying to make a go of it . We don't have to fish any event but enjoy the options .With bad press we could loose it all someday . I think everyone could use constructive criticism, but to say your not going to fish a org anymore because things did not go the way you wanted it to go on their first out seems a little strong. But with that said good luck in the FLW most of all have fun. see you around.

russ@russmeyer1.com · Post by **russ@russmeyer1.com** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:40 am

Its on their web site westcoastbass.net

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:28 am

This will be my last post on this subject.

Russ-you don't know me and your post about me "never happy" couldn't be farther from the truth. The people who do know me would tell you that I am one of the nicest laid back guys on the planet. The reason that you donâ€™t know me is because I am not in this to be famous or to get known. I merely love fishing tournaments good, bad or otherwise. I would love to have you show me an example that validates your assertion. Nonetheless, I would have voiced the same overview of the tournament regardless of my finish. Lord knows I have done far worse in tournaments and I did not gamble the mortgage money away and I am blessed to be able to fish when and where ever I want.

I also never said that I wasnâ€™t going to ever fish WCB because of what happened-rather-I did say that I would fish them ALL if there were no conflicts with the other events that I fish-mainly FLW NG and Stren. I would also suggest that everyone support WCB, AC, WON, BASS and FLW to draw their own opinion of what a professional tournament should look like.

Having fish as many tournaments as you have (I look up to you are one of the pioneers in this game) you know that things should have been more organized than they were. Thatâ€™s not being unhappy that is the TRUTH!

PS- I am on cloud 9. My wife is 3 months pregnant with my first child, I have a job the lets me fish and I just paid my bills for another month. Life could not be any better and I count my blessing every moment! I have no reason to be unhappy. There are a lot more serious things in the world than these little green fish.

I'm out!

TomL · Post by **TomL** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:53 am

Ricky congrats on the baby on the way! We are expecting our first as well.

As for Ricky - Ricky is a straight shooter and his evaluation of the WCB tournament and suggestions sound fair enough and should probably be taken seriously. I can guarantee Ricky wasn't just making a post to slam WCB - he was merely giving an honest eval of the way he saw the event and some suggestions to make it better.

I know WCB held tournaments many years ago - but, essentially they are starting over and the evaluation of it by someone who fishes as many events as Ricky is much appreciated. The technological advances from when WCB held its last tournament to today are huge. The web is a major player, computerized results are faster and easier to get to the web - calculations of paybacks can be made almost instantly and more. If Larry and his staff are not up to speed on this stuff there can be some hurdles to overcome.

stickbait · Post by **stickbait** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:12 pm

russ@russmeyer1.com wrote:Ricky I to was not impressed with a few things at the WCB . But overall I think it was a great event , There was nothing there that can't be overcome and get much better as they learn from each event. But maybe that is my opinion because I had a good tournament . You know for only 43 boats I got a check for $ 2500 for 4 Th place I did not get rich ,but for the amount of boats it was a very good payback.It will grow if we let it and each event will be Televised which will eventually look great to sponsors for them and us as long as we keep a positive outlook on it.Sometimes when I don't do good I tend to have a bad attitude for a few days I hope this was the case for you and you get over it . I have been around this sport for many years and we have always had room for all the events. I think it is great this way there are different strokes for different folks.I also will be fishing all the events as I can.You had some vary good Ideas in your post that hopefully they will consider in the future. But Ricky I don't know you other than seeing you around from time to time . But I do see you on this site quite often and it seems that you are never happy. We all love this sport and should all stick together especially in these tough times when its hard to get all the guys and girls out in numbers.I enjoy to fish any event I can when I can. That means all events . But to bash someone or a certain org is a bit like biting the hand that feeds you. Give these guys credit for coming out in these times and trying to make a go of it . We don't have to fish any event but enjoy the options .With bad press we could loose it all someday . I think everyone could use constructive criticism, but to say your not going to fish a org anymore because things did not go the way you wanted it to go on their first out seems a little strong. But with that said good luck in the FLW most of all have fun. see you around.

Nice Post... Russ

Ricky.. your post comes across that you have a "agenda".. and it is not to help WCB. I think the right thing to do would had been emailed WBC and Larry with these thougts and complaints, see how they handle them rather than air them on a public site that is not connected in anyway with WCB..If you don't get the answers to clear things up... then blast away! As Russ said.. you are hurting the hand that feeds you and others.

I bet when it becomes time that WCB starts recomending to their sponsors.. whos who in there cicuits .. you will be on the bottom of the list... It's not always how well ya do out there.. if you know what I mean

Bet if ya cashed a big fat check your out look might have been different

I bet you will see a big changes at the next one, Larry has been at this along time.

Good luck at the FLW

seaya
mark seaters

JamesH · Post by **JamesH** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:27 pm

Mark,
I don't know Ricky but I think he did a great job of posting what he liked and didn't like about the event. To say that he had an "agenda" to hurt WCB is way out of line and I think you need to go back and read his post again.

As for biting the hand that feeds him, are you kidding me? I am a business owner and I can tell you that I want to know when ever I screw something up. There is nothing worse then losing a customer for a screw up that I don't get an opportunity to fix and I can't fix a problem unless it is first identified as a problem.

If I was Larry, I would be on here thanking him for his constructive criticism and assuring everyone that I was going to do better next time. Some guys bit*h just to bit*h, I don't see that with Ricky's post. What he did was open, honest & constructive. Not only did he point out what he didn't like, he gave a suggestion for how to solve the problem the next time. BRAVO RICKY!

When you guys attack every post that isn't singing WCB's praises, you look childish and it makes WCB look bad. Even though you don't actually work there, your posts sound like you are the WCB spokesman and most take it that way.

Stop being so defensive, it's not healthy for WCB.

James

Gary Dobyns · Post by **Gary Dobyns** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:41 pm

Ricky is a HUGE supporter of all tournaments. He is not a negitive person at all, just the opposite really. Happy go lucky guy. He pointed out some problems that I'm sure Larry is working on to fix.

Let's see the changes at Oroville in a few weeks. The bite will be RED HOT. We even have some water to fish, great launching, and DIRTY water

Beware of the debris.

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:46 pm

JamesH wrote:Mark,
I don't know Ricky but I think he did a great job of posting what he liked and didn't like about the event. To say that he had an "agenda" to hurt WCB is way out of line and I think you need to go back and read his post again.

As for biting the hand that feeds him, are you kidding me? I am a business owner and I can tell you that I want to know when ever I screw something up. There is nothing worse then losing a customer for a screw up that I don't get an opportunity to fix and I can't fix a problem unless it is first identified as a problem.

If I was Larry, I would be on here thanking him for his constructive criticism and assuring everyone that I was going to do better next time. Some guys bit*h just to bit*h, I don't see that with Ricky's post. What he did was open, honest & constructive. Not only did he point out what he didn't like, he gave a suggestion for how to solve the problem the next time. BRAVO RICKY!

When you guys attack every post that isn't singing WCB's praises, you look childish and it makes WCB look bad. Even though you don't actually work there, your posts sound like you are the WCB spokesman and most take it that way.

Stop being so defensive, it's not healthy for WCB.

James

James; I will be a spokesman for West Coast Bass and proud to do so. I was there checking boats in the A.M. , camera boat during the squall during the day wow !!! , and the check in guy for boats coming into weigh in..................Ricky has very valid points and we appreciate them, and they are good comments, there is an advisory committee and they are in meetings all this week to make it better for next tournament , or so I hear.
Please feel free, any of you fishermen to make constructive comment on here or feel free to email me at jigstackle@aol.com or Larry. I will certainly pass it on..............and I might add we honestly do welcome, respect, and thank you for your support of West Coast Bass...........again

Thank you
and Thank you Ricky for the thread.

Phil Hill>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(JIGS)

stickbait · Post by **stickbait** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:15 pm

JamesH wrote:Mark,
I don't know Ricky but I think he did a great job of posting what he liked and didn't like about the event. To say that he had an "agenda" to hurt WCB is way out of line and I think you need to go back and read his post again.

As for biting the hand that feeds him, are you kidding me? I am a business owner and I can tell you that I want to know when ever I screw something up. There is nothing worse then losing a customer for a screw up that I don't get an opportunity to fix and I can't fix a problem unless it is first identified as a problem.

If I was Larry, I would be on here thanking him for his constructive criticism and assuring everyone that I was going to do better next time. Some guys bit*h just to bit*h, I don't see that with Ricky's post. What he did was open, honest & constructive. Not only did he point out what he didn't like, he gave a suggestion for how to solve the problem the next time. BRAVO RICKY!

When you guys attack every post that isn't singing WCB's praises, you look childish and it makes WCB look bad. Even though you don't actually work there, your posts sound like you are the WCB spokesman and most take it that way.

Stop being so defensive, it's not healthy for WCB.

James

Maybe your right..but that is not the read I got, sorry. I think Russ got the same read I did also.

This is not WCB site .. and not Larrys job to run all over the internet and try to appease people that have issues with things that should be done different or they seen it done other places better, yada, yada, yada...

This day and age.. email is so eazy...like I said in my post.. then if he does not get the right answers .. blast em..

There is alot of people in internet land and young and new fishermen that might get the wrong idea.. Then the rumor mill starts.. Bass Fishemen love that stuff for some reason!

Your quote below is dead on... but he has to get to the right people and on the open forum internet is NOT the place to start.

""""There is nothing worse then losing a customer for a screw up that I don't get an opportunity to fix and I can't fix a problem unless it is first identified as a problem""""

I don't know Ricky S..he might my the greatest guy in the world.. but damn give the circuit a chance it was their first one.

Long Nguyen · Post by **Long Nguyen** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:02 pm

Come on guys. The fact that Ricky put his money out and fished the event SPOKE VOLUMES.

It's well documented on WB that Ricky supports as many tournament organizations as possible. In fact, he traveled from SoCal and fished. Maybe he was up at Clear Lake already for the Stren, but again, the fact that he STEPPED UP and PAID and fished shows that he is a supporter and paying customer.

In my opinion, it wasn't a bash. It was a recap on what can be done better. If anything, his comments carry more weight to WCB than anyone else in this thread that didn't fish this event...simply because he participated. Kudos to you Ricky.

Paul Cormany · Post by **Paul Cormany** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:17 am

+1 on Ricky being a stand-up guy. I'm sure Larry is now aware of his suggestions.

Glad to see Larry back in the game. I enjoyed his pro-am concept when he came out with it the first time. Hard to believe that was 20+ years ago. Come back out to AZ and I may even dust off the rods. You know Roosevelt is 100% full for the first time behind the new dam.

mac (Doyle McEwen) · Post by **mac (Doyle McEwen)** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:33 am

Just as an interested bystander, not a participating fisherman in the event one might get different vibes from Ricky's post..Personally I didn't see it as a slam, but rather constructive criticism in some areas and praise in others..It sure beats seeing something like "WBC sucks", with no indication as to what worked or did not work to arrive at that conclusion..Could it have maybe been posted on a more suitable site, possibly, but Viv has been posting here for a few months on the upcoming tournaments and the re-establishment of his tournament series..So it wasn't totally out to lunch in that respect..I hope to fish the circuit someday and will monitor the forums for any input on them I can get..

mac

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