Is this c/s or what?

Moto x Bob · Post by **Moto x Bob** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:40 pm

After having the best tournament of our lives sunday& finishing ahead of all but two teams in the field, & having big fish, we were informed afterwards that a couple of fisherman that I now used to respect ,found a way to DQ us by protesting my partner & I by saying they saw us in the no wake zone without a life jaket on while we moved @ 5 mph with the big motor on. After reading about the compliments of each other & fun all of the Silverwood people have fishing with each other, I can't help but wonder how the -------- that found a way to steal the prize money from us at Lake Perris can sleep at night?

Rob Dickson · Post by **Rob Dickson** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:48 pm

Rules are rules, plain and simple.sucks but thats how it is.

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:03 pm

Well did you have your LIFE JACKET ON? If you didn't then YOU should not have posted about how YOU broke the RULES and got CAUGHT!!! Just my OPINION as a FELLOW bass Fisherman!!

MIKE TREMONT · Post by **MIKE TREMONT** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:05 pm

A team up here got DQed for the same thing a couple months ago on Berryessa. I believe they would of won the event.

Sometimes the euphoria of doing real well blocks the sense's a little bit? I hear it at every tournament I fish, "life vest must remain on and buckled while the big motor is running".

Sorry, I know it sucks. Bet it don't happen again!

palmdale-shane · Post by **palmdale-shane** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:19 pm

That's why I wear mine all day during the tournament. Then there's no forgetting.

drew · Post by **drew** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:26 pm

PM sent

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:32 pm

I have to admit that when ever I fish a pro/am I can tell the new anglers from the seasoned anglers because the new guys are usually out running around in practice without their vests on. There are far too many people that fish tournaments that don't read the rules.

I fished the first BASS event on the Delta and the officials DQed several anglers for putting their boats on the trailer without vest on.

Tough situation and sorry to hear that it happened.

FATGUY · Post by **FATGUY** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:35 pm

you didn't say whether that was true but if it was ??? its like going 95 in a 65 mile zone and the highway patrol giving you a ticket.. then get mad at the cop ?? never did understand. anyway if you did violate a rule and got caught man up and accept it .. if you weren't breaking a rule then i apologize ?? JUST AN OLD GUYS .02

need_a_kicker · Post by **need_a_kicker** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:38 pm

This sucks, but I have to agree with William. I bet you learned a valuable lesson from this experience.

It is funny how everything always has a lesson to be learned from it, I wonder if HE is trying to tell us something. It sounds like it would be a good idea to listen to HIM.

Kicker

DL · Post by DL » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:49 pm

we were informed afterwards that a couple of fisherman that I now used to respect ,found a way to DQ us by protesting my partner & I by saying they saw us in the no wake zone without a life jaket on while we moved @ 5 mph with the big motor on.

So what you are saying is that you fired up the big motor, moved around inside the 5mph bouy, and DID have your life jacket on? If you DID have your life jacket on, how in the world did you get DQ'ed?

On the other hand, if you didnt have your life jacket(s) on, I believe the TD had no choice other than to DQ you guys...

Mike Phua · Post by **Mike Phua** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:04 pm

Moto X Bob,

Hey sorry about the Disqualification..........but like Rob said rules are rules. Yes I was one of the guys who protested you because the first time we saw you, you and your partner did not have vest on and two other boats noticed the same thing. After you told every boat in the area that you have "The Sea Monster and was glad you got in all the options" we all realized you were in the tournament and you've been driving all day without a vest on. Cause the two times I saw you, you werent wearing a vest when you were idling through the east end. Again I apologize but rules are rules and you have to abide by them and remember I was one of the teams that had more weight than you anyway and where you placed wouldnt have affected me regardless. MP

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:08 pm

MIKE TREMONT · Post by **MIKE TREMONT** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:12 pm

Mike I don't know you, but people like you give me faith in some of mankind. I don't think many would of made that post.

Good luck.

Mike Phua · Post by **Mike Phua** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:12 pm

And by the way you coming on here and asking the public if this is Chicken !@!# is like asking everyone if I broke a rule and didn't mean to it shouldn't matter? What's up with that? If we wouldn't have whistled at you, you would've went all the way to the launch ramp without vest and the Check in Person would've dq'd anyway. MP

Guy Williams · Post by **Guy Williams** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:01 pm

Moto x Bob wrote:After having the best tournament of our lives sunday& finishing ahead of all but two teams in the field, & having big fish, we were informed afterwards that a couple of fisherman that I now used to respect ,found a way to DQ us by protesting my partner & I by saying they saw us in the no wake zone without a life jaket on while we moved @ 5 mph with the big motor on. After reading about the compliments of each other & fun all of the Silverwood people have fishing with each other, I can't help but wonder how the -------- that found a way to steal the prize money from us at Lake Perris can sleep at night?

Most if not all ( I believe all orgs ) have this rule and it's not something to be pushed aside and not followed for a few reasons (personal safety and insurance reasons for the org to name a couple). To say it was wrong to DQ you is insane to me. If this rule is hard for you to get and understand then maybe you should read the rest of them before you fish any other tournaments. Sorry if this is too straight forward but we need to police ourselves out on the water for these tournaments, being DQed sucks but maybe you can use it as an learning experience and not blame others for your lack of knowledge of the rules or lack of following the rules. Here is the rules you got DQed for:

3. SAFETY
Boating safety must be observed at all times during practice and competition. A U.S.Coast Guard approved life preserver must be on and fastened anytime the combustible engine is operative and the kill switch lanyard must be attached to the driver during competition day. It is suggested that this be practiced during any practice day, but will be enforced only on competition day. A violation during a competition will result in a disqualification.

Again sorry if this is too straight forward but let's not beat around the bush sort of say!!!
Guy Williams

acm95301 · Post by **acm95301** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:04 pm

I wasn't at the tourney, and don't any of the participants. I am however an angler on a lake where there is a tournament every saturday almost from January to October. As a non-tourney angler I get mighty annoyed when i see guys blast through the 5mph zones and swamp other boaters fishing there. I can see how the rules might get abused, but Tournaments need to start enforcing rules more delibrately. On McClure the Shierff is out alot and tickets everything, but on tournaments is painfully missing. Maybe tournaments should post security or camera boats....or we could behave and use the honor system.

kb · Post by kb » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:24 pm

If you didn't have your lifejacket on then I would think that you probably didn't have your kill switch attached to your body either so you broke two rules. There should be no confusion on why you were protested and dq'd from the tournament.......you deserved it.

Thanks for the reminder for the rest of us and thanks to guys like Phua for being stand up enough to protest a rule violation.

kb

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:57 pm

OMG LMFAO!!! This is one of the funniest posts I have ever seen on here.

Gets caught breaking a rule, gets DQ'd, and comes on here to complain about it knowing he broke a rule!

Good job stepping up, and making a complaint MP!

RON SIX · Post by **RON SIX** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:03 pm

Its actually comforting to hear of a protest. Usually its the opposite and we here of people griping of how soandso did this or didn't do this, but never had they protested. If we want our sport to stay pure and honorable, we must put in the protest so everyone knows that they are being held accountable for their actions.

Way to go Mike P.

I have seen on BASS where the pro DQ'd himself after going under a bridge on a body of water that the rule changes when you get to the river end. Anyone remember that show?

Bill K · Post by **Bill K** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:06 pm

Life is tough, but as many have said Rules are rules and you know or knew them. When that big motor is on, PFD's will be on also. No way around it. At least not when in a tournament. Bill K

Moto x Bob · Post by **Moto x Bob** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:09 pm

Thanks everyone for the comments

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:59 pm

Man I gotta be careful about that loading the boat without it on, I am guilty of that !!!

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:48 pm

twister · Post by **twister** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:09 pm

Sometimes I forget to take mines off until were driving down the road.

By the way--don't you read the rules before you participate in the tournament or did you think that the rules only applied to others.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:21 pm

Rod Martin wrote:Yea, most of the guys in our club take them off as they're motoring in.

Motoring in they are suppose to be warn, but I'd say 90 plus % I have seen do not wear there vest while loading.

Ricky, are you referring to drive through weigh ins when you said guys got DQ'd loading boats?

kopper_bass · Post by **kopper_bass** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:52 pm

It truly depends on the tournament your fishing and when it occurs. if your in a 1 day event and you weigh your fish and receive your slip, then your tourney day is officially over. Therefore, you can go crazy and not wear your life vest while loading the boat.

On the other hand, if your in a 2 day tourney and do that on day 1, then you can be DQ'ed.

With any tourney, if you do it during pre-fishing practice days, its a DQ too.

Be safe and keep it on until you hit land.

Kopper

Larry Douglas · Post by **Larry Douglas** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:58 am

Since you asked for opinions, I'll give you mine....

You were wrong on several levels.

1. You were apparently NOT wearing your life vest in violation of the rules.

2. You apparently couldn't have had your kill switch attached, in violation of the rules.

3. You came on a public forum to slam another contestant for abiding by the rules. He was obligated to report you.

4. You obviously feel that the rules only apply to you if you deem them appropriate at any particular time.

5. You have alienated a fellow angler. You should be apologizing to him for your deplorable and selfish attitude.

When you personally read of a lack of personal courtesy, or lack of sportsmanship while on the water, or not being mindful of rules, do you ever consider that you are the intended subject?

Apologize to Mike Phua, learn from your mistake and move forward. Man up.

Larry Douglas

Bill K · Post by **Bill K** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:37 am

Larry Douglas wrote:Since you asked for opinions, I'll give you mine....

You were wrong on several levels.

1. You were apparently NOT wearing your life vest in violation of the rules.

2. You apparently couldn't have had your kill switch attached, in violation of the rules.

3. You came on a public forum to slam another contestant for abiding by the rules. He was obligated to report you.

4. You obviously feel that the rules only apply to you if you deem them appropriate at any particular time.

5. You have alienated a fellow angler. You should be apologizing to him for your deplorable and selfish attitude.

When you personally read of a lack of personal courtesy, or lack of sportsmanship while on the water, or not being mindful of rules, do you ever consider that you are the intended subject?

Apologize to Mike Phua, learn from your mistake and move forward. Man up.

Larry Douglas

Larry's #3 comment, brings up a question. If someone else reported it and the TD found out another person saw the violation, but did not say anything, could he also be DQ'ed for not reporting it? In a sense allowing or passing over a rule violation. Are they not obligated to report rule violations ? Bill K

D · Post by D » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:00 am

ya know this is a good example of how rules can get mixed up. Tournaments require the wearing of your pfd while the big motor is running along with the kill switch, now the issue here is wether or not the tournament was over. If weigh in time is 3pm must be in the 5 the anglers day is over therefore offical fishing is over therefore no violation of the rules. I see this all the time when the guys come in their putting stuff away in their boats including pdfs etc and I have never heared someone complain until now. It never ceases to amaze me how someone will request enforcement on a rule that is designed for during tournament hrs. Hey Phil I guess we will have to wear PDF until the boat is on the trailer! that had to happen down south not at one of ours. Just my 2/cents worth.

Whoopbass · Post by **Whoopbass** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:08 am

This thread is getting ridiculous.

"Rules only applying to others"
"Apologies"
etc...etc...etc...

So he screwed up and didn't have his life jacket on. Not a big enough deal to me to go run to the TD and tattle tale like a 5 year old.

DL · Post by DL » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:19 am

After you told every boat in the area that you have "The Sea Monster and was glad you got in all the options" we all realized you were in the tournament and you've been driving all day without a vest on. Cause the two times I saw you, you werent wearing a vest when you were idling through the east end.

In case some of you missed it, he was running around multiple times during the day without his vest on...not at the ramp when putting his trailer on the boat.

Whoopbass, would you mind if someone weighed in six fish instead of five? Or would you not want to be called a 5th grader for complaining? You cannot pick and choose which rules to follow and/or enforce...

some guy · Post by **some guy** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:47 am

Whoopbass wrote:This thread is getting ridiculous.

"Rules only applying to others"
"Apologies"
etc...etc...etc...

So he screwed up and didn't have his life jacket on. Not a big enough deal to me to go run to the TD and tattle tale like a 5 year old.

Come on now DL.. you can't try to reason with this type of mentallity. Good For you Phua. I would have done the same thing. Looks like the thing you couldnt make eye contact with paid off for you.

Thanks again for the net. I havent needed it yet though.

mac (Doyle McEwen) · Post by **mac (Doyle McEwen)** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:54 am

Is it CS that you were reported, not really..It is unfortunate, but as mentioned, the rules are the rules..I know that when I am prefishing with Joe Kopp for the Federation events he is a stickler for the life jacket rules and as a result, so am I..All of the boaters I have drawn at Federation events are the same way..There may be some out there that do not abide by the PFD rules, but I haven't seen them, nor have I fished with them..In my two years fishing Federation events I have only seen one DQ and it was for something other than a PFD violation..It is your responsibility to know the rules and it is the responsibility of everyone to see they are followed..It may seem as though the reporting of rules violations are being a tattle-tale, but that is not the case..It is peer enforcement of the rules that keep the events safe and on a reasonable level playing field..A lot of the rules are designed with the participants safety in mind, they may seem rather inane at times, but they are there for a reason..

mac

Whoopbass · Post by **Whoopbass** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:02 am

some guy wrote:
Whoopbass wrote:This thread is getting ridiculous.

"Rules only applying to others"
"Apologies"
etc...etc...etc...

So he screwed up and didn't have his life jacket on. Not a big enough deal to me to go run to the TD and tattle tale like a 5 year old.

Come on now DL.. you can't try to reason with this type of mentallity. Good For you Phua. I would have done the same thing. Looks like the thing you couldnt make eye contact with paid off for you.

Thanks again for the net. I havent needed it yet though.

"DL" didn't write that I did and thats how I feel. You guys have your opinions and I have mine.
I have no opinion on whether he should have been DQ'd or not but I wouldn't have been the one that ratted him out.
Obviously he didn't know it was such a big deal or else he would have had it on being that he was in plain sight of several competitors.
The first competitors that saw them without their pfd's on should have went over and reminded them of the rules.

If they wouldn't have done so well I bet nothing would have been said.

I don't tournament fish that much so I don't see it as a big deal. If I did fish tournaments regularly maybe I would have a different opinion.

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:06 am

Tell me Whoop, Do you fish tournaments?

sTony

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:13 am

I got that impression from your post. For most that fish tournaments rules are kind of important because without rules, and people actually following them, you don't have much of a competition.

sTony

TEAMDEADMONEY · Post by **TEAMDEADMONEY** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:14 am

If you broke the rules, you broke the rules...learn from it and move on. You come on here and post looking for sympathy and calling out the guys that protested you like you didnt do anything wrong...why??
Seems a bit rediculous to me..
I personally saw you running without your vests on multiple times during the day..
Do you think you should get a "free pass"? Do you think you should be able to break the rules and get away with it??
My answer to both of those questions is a resounding ....HELL NO!!!
In my opinion, the only thing that Mike shouldnt have done is he shouldnt have gone over and apologized to you guys in the parking lot like he did for being a part of protesting you and he shouldnt have come on here and showed sympathy either.
The bottom line is you broke two major rules....No Vest and No Kill switch while running with the big motor on..
This WAS NOT a case of putting the boat on the trailer with no vest on...it happened throughout the fishing day.
And like I said...I saw you multiple times during the day and you never had it on so it wasnt an isolated incident where you simply had it under the console and forgot to put it on because you got caught up in the moment of catching fish. IT WAS IN YOUR LOCKER!!!
I was one of the 3 people who protested you and one of the MANY who witnessed the infractions. I dont care whether you had 4 lbs in the well or 25 lbs... The protest was coming either way.. The protest was starting to be filed before you even weighed in your fish.
As it turned out you had a big weight I heard....and my thought about that is...thats a bummer but...."sucks for you".... you arent taking my money if you break the rules.....period!
Live and learn.... next time follow the rules like everyone else and you will be fine...
Alot of us have been DQ'd at one point or another for making mistakes or having brain farts on the water.....the important thing here is to learn from your mistake so you dont lose out on what could have been a great day on the water agian.
If you dont think it was right for us to police ourselves on the water...who do you think should do it?? Because you werent going to DQ yourself for breaking the rules.

Pete

Ron C · Post by **Ron C** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:15 am

Two words = Kyle Clements.

This has little to do with tournament rules; it has EVERYTHING to do with common sense (or the lack of it). Believe it or not, tournament directors care about your safety - even if you do not. This DQ was a no-brainer.

Please learn from Kyle's tragic accident.

God Bless you Kyle Clements.

Ron C

Whoopbass · Post by **Whoopbass** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:16 am

I edited my previous post and just happened to answer your question (Stony).
I can see the point where everything has to be black and white in tournament fishing but I fished a tournament where another boat was speeding through a 5mph zone and the "pro" i'm fishing with doesn't do squat because he knows the other guy. He was all pissy until he saw who it was.
I have fished other tournaments as well where guys violated the pfd rule. This was several years back so things probably have changed.

When i'm fishing a tourney i'm not on the look out for pfd violations. The TD can drive around and do that.

Whoopbass · Post by **Whoopbass** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:21 am

TEAMDEADMONEY wrote:If you broke the rules, you broke the rules...learn from it and move on. You come on here and post looking for sympathy and calling out the guys that protested you like you didnt do anything wrong...why??
Seems a bit rediculous to me..
I personally saw you running without your vests on multiple times during the day..
Do you think you should get a "free pass"? Do you think you should be able to break the rules and get away with it??
My answer to both of those questions is a resounding ....HELL NO!!!
In my opinion, the only thing that Mike shouldnt have done is he shouldnt have gone over and apologized to you guys in the parking lot like he did for being a part of protesting you and he shouldnt have come on here and showed sympathy either.
The bottom line is you broke two major rules....No Vest and No Kill switch while running with the big motor on..
This WAS NOT a case of putting the boat on the trailer with no vest on...it happened throughout the fishing day.
And like I said...I saw you multiple times during the day and you never had it on so it wasnt an isolated incident where you simply had it under the console and forgot to put it on because you got caught up in the moment of catching fish. IT WAS IN YOUR LOCKER!!!
I was one of the 3 people who protested you and one of the MANY who witnessed the infractions. I dont care whether you had 4 lbs in the well or 25 lbs... The protest was coming either way.. The protest was starting to be filed before you even weighed in your fish.
As it turned out you had a big weight I heard....and my thought about that is...thats a bummer but...."sucks for you".... you arent taking my money if you break the rules.....period!
Live and learn.... next time follow the rules like everyone else and you will be fine...
Alot of us have been DQ'd at one point or another for making mistakes or having brain farts on the water.....the important thing here is to learn from your mistake so you dont lose out on what could have been a great day on the water agian.
If you dont think it was right for us to police ourselves on the water...who do you think should do it?? Because you werent going to DQ yourself for breaking the rules.

Pete

GOOD POINT.
Suck it up and move on.

drew · Post by **drew** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:22 am

Just for future reference. If you see someone breaking the rules you should report it to the TD. I imagine if it is something very dangerous you should do it ASAP. If you do protest someone and the TD does not DQ them don't be surprised. Most TD's will require proof other then just one person or boats word against another. You most likely will need a picture or another party that witnessed the same act.

Lets not forget that most of these rules are for our safety and should be taken seriously.

some guy · Post by **some guy** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:23 am

Ron C wrote:Two words = Kyle Clements.

This has little to do with tournament rules; it has EVERYTHING to do with common sense (or the lack of it). Believe it or not, tournament directors care about your safety - even if you do not. This DQ was a no-brainer.

Please learn from Kyle's tragic accident.

God Bless you Kyle Clements.

Ron C

Good call Ron. Maybe that will help people understand the importance of the wearing the vest.

God Bless Kyle Clements indeed.

snapitoff2002 · Post by **snapitoff2002** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:26 am

All points on here are valid really... The sad part is.... While the TD might have DQ'd them by coming in without them on... Had they finished really low in the tournament, and had a small bag- No one would have said anything. Because it happens like that everywhere.

some guy · Post by **some guy** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:32 am

Snapitoff2002,

That's not how Phua rolls at all. What's sad is how people pass judgement so easily.

Don't show up on gameday without your cleats or your benched. Simple as that.

upriverLMB · Post by **upriverLMB** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:12 am

â€œMIKE PHUA: After you told every boat in the area that you have "The Sea Monster and was glad you got in all the options" we all realized you were in the tournament and you've been driving all day without a vest on. Cause the two times I saw you, you werent wearing a vest when you were idling through the east end.â€

some guy · Post by **some guy** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:26 am

So the guy doesnt wear his life vest or have his kill switch hooked up and its okay because he idling through the 5mph zone?

Do you know what happens when you leave a 5 mph? You go on plane.

The guy broke a few rules and got popped. I bet next time he wears his vest when the big motor is running like it states in the rules and is announced before every derby.

BUCKBASS · Post by **BUCKBASS** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:42 am

Mike
I've got your back all the way on this. I have fished with you and against you in club turny and ABA. Rules are rules.

upriverLMB · Post by **upriverLMB** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:00 am

SOME GUY: â€œSo the guy doesnt wear his life vest or have his kill switch hooked up and its okay because he idling through the 5mph zone?â€

some guy · Post by **some guy** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:10 am

Upriver.. the only reason he saw him in the idling zone because thats where he was fishing..Have you ever been to Perris to see the lay out of the lake? If he was fishing the front side he would have seen the guy on plane with no vest, because at the end of the 5mph zone is the main lake. The guy didnt have his vest on so that means he was running main lake with no vest as well.

So if Phua saw the guy on plane with no vest going 40 mph ( as he stated he saw the guy all day long, not just in the 5 mph zone) and reported it, then it wouldnt be chicken s__t?

so the location where Mike saw the man break the rules is the cause of it being Chicken s__t?

I figured it was common sense that at the end of the 5mph zone is main lake, but I guess I shouldnt assume everyone has common sense.

Pearl Swimbaits · Post by **Pearl Swimbaits** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:19 am

I understand rules are rules...........that PFD did not help or hinder putting fish in the well a DQ is to steep for the $$$$$$$$ that is being shelled out.

Lets be realistic people I'll bet 95% of the contestants commited an infraction during the day, its tough not to. Most of you in the 5mph zone, 5.1 is over and a rule is a rule.(You all push it to the limit.........save the "I was right at 5mph" is it calibrated?????

I guess we realy do pick and choose which rules and who has to follow them...cause there was only 1 DQ.

Bass fishing is and always has been an elietest sport. Thats why nobody helped the brother out.

To all the people invoved many good lessons to be learned but most important start helping people out, those who saw them and did not stop to inform---How would you feel if they had an accident and u didnt do what you could have to help....Sh!tty

2 back alive is more important than 5 alive any day of the week

My 2 cents and if u have any u will wear ur PFD ur life depends on it

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