Healthcare and the IHS....

[StockOption]

This is the type of system the democrats are now forcing down the throats of all Americans.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090615/ap_ ... _forgotten

On some reservations, the oft-quoted refrain is "don't get sick after June," when the federal dollars run out. It's a sick joke, and a sad one, because it's sometimes true, especially on the poorest reservations where residents cannot afford health insurance. Officials say they have about half of what they need to operate, and patients know they must be dying or about to lose a limb to get serious care.

Wealthier tribes can supplement the federal health service budget with their own money. But poorer tribes, often those on the most remote reservations, far away from city hospitals, are stuck with grossly substandard care. The agency itself describes a "rationed health care system."

If you want some other examples of govt run healthcare look no further than the VA or Medicare, utter failures.

This new plan for all of America is better how?

Only a moronic, ignorant idiot could possibly think this will be a positive change. It will be an unmitigated disaster.

[StockOption]

Each and every one of you that reads this board needs to ask your elected officials on the hill this one simple question:

Are you and your fellow politicians going to use the same medical insurance that you are forcing upon us, the taxpayer?

Post back their responses here.....if you don't know how to contact your senators or representatives let me know and I'll provide the information you need.

[Delta is beast]

kurt do u watch fox news a lot. lol. that was on o reily factor right? I cant believe the dems are actually trying to pass this. its pathetic if you ask me and they know it so there trying to rush so the people dont know much about it to its too late.

[BassCatPuma]

Kurt,
There is a part of the Health Bill that exempts the Congress from the Goverment insurance for at least 5 years and longer.
The Republicans have House Resolution 615 saying all goverment officials will be required under the same insurance as they are shoving down our throats and not one Democrat will agree to it.

Tim

[StockOption]

This is unbeliveable as well:

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticle ... 8165656854

The public option won't be an option for many, but rather a mandate for buying government care. A free people should be outraged at this advance of soft tyranny.

Washington does not have the constitutional or moral authority to outlaw private markets in which parties voluntarily participate. It shouldn't be killing business opportunities, or limiting choices, or legislating major changes in Americans' lives.

It took just 16 pages of reading to find this naked attempt by the political powers to increase their reach. It's scary to think how many more breaches of liberty we'll come across in the final 1,002.

And thanks for the details BassCat I had heard congress was setting this up to exclude themselves but I did not have the specifics.

And Beast I watch all the different news networks most days and read many sites on-line. I try my best not to rely on a single source for information.

[Vince E]

I would have responded to this post an hour ago but the pizza guy was at my door....belch...mmmmm.

I guess I won't be able to enjoy things like pizza made the way I like when the govt. has the "right" to say "We feel that eating this way could lead to costing the American taxpayer unnecessary health care dollars."
"Well sign me out."
"I'm sorry, participation is mandatory and severe fines will be imposed on anyone who tries to opt out." (I read this recently, can you beleive it?)

You better believe they will declare obesity a crime and start writing tickets and you better believe all of the self righteous heath nuts will think that's a great idea because it doesn't change the way they choose to live. And you better bet that eventually they will institute a policy that DOES effect those people and you will be able to hear the wailing from your front porch. It will serve them right.

My question is why don't we hear anyone screaming these predictions at the top of their lungs?
All of the brainy types in the think tanks around places like Fox News couldn't see this coming?

Their job is to keep the war between the parties going strong, not give away the plan. Argue about the obvious stuff, not the sneaky s**t coming in from the side when no one's looking.

Oh well.

On another note note, doctors will be forced to bend to will of the govt., it was even referenced in the original bill how doctors should be discouraged from not participating.

The doctor is the pinnacle of the independent contractor. The most revered and respected private operator. Just ask one, they'll tell you so.

The government is planning to do away with independent contractors of all kinds and doctors are the easiest way in using this approach. Hell, they are after independence of all kinds. And they will do it just like this. Offering a good sounding idea that will either "help people" "save money for us all" "secure America" or some combination of those and I'm sure many angles we have not even considered yet. What right minded person could object to that?

[Vince E]

I'm still waiting for a national health care enthusiast's reply to my predictions.

[Andy Lippert]

It's hilarious to me that not ONE lib on this forum has had a response to any questions regarding universal healthcare. I'm pretty sure that they're all feeling the fact that Obama is quickly turning out to be exactly what we all (conservatives) knew he was...An empty suit socialist bent on imposing his ideologies on American society for better or for worse.

Its also hilarious to me that ALL OF THE SUDDEN guys like Cornish, Jeff C. and Fishahallic claim to be tame forum users who have all adopted a new policy of not debating any FACTS that are thrown in their face. What a joke! It's sad when people follow a leader so blindly that they can't even admit when that leader is heading in the wrong direction....however, it's no surprise to me, as common sense is an uncommon occurance on the left.


Andy

[FishaHallic]

Have not seen any facts yet, I hear a lot of right wing propoganda aka LIES but no facts. Like I said earlier I am not gonna take my time to read a cut and paste job or some right wing bloggers thoughts. This is all coming from the same group that said Obama is a muslim but yet he was sworn in on a bible? They said he is weak on defense but yet he sent in more troops to Afghanistan? And some of these are the same that said Sarah Pallin would have made a good president if hopefully McCain died early in office. These are the people you want me to respond to............I think not, this group would not know the truth if it slapped them on there little baby like bottoms.

The republican party and especially the right wing is not noted for truth but they are noted for lies, propaganda and the sky is falling mentallity. When I see something that does not seem like propaganda I may respond. Like someone else said, you right wingers have lost, get over it, quit your crying and sniffiling and be a man. Your party is no longer relevant, your party has no ideas, your party has no clue, your party is a joke, your party is scared to face issues and would rather pass them on to others and that is why you are where you are today..................LOSERS!!!!


BTW, I am refering to "The republican party" in this post NOT any particular members or forum brothers .

[Andy Lippert]

Fishahallic wrote:

"Like someone else said, you right wingers have lost, get over it"

I guess the years and countless hours you spent bitching about Bush (still to this day) should've just NEVER been mentioned, because "you lost, get over it", right? LMAO! Good one there buddy. GREAT mentality! My party is no longer in office, "sit back and take it in the rear". That's gotta be one of the most anti-American statements I've ever heard. And whatsup with McCain "hopefully dying in office"?? You really wanted him to die if he won? Atta boy. Its amazing that you bleeding heart liberals could mention such words.

People have mentioned facts NUMEROUS TIMES! They have outlined Obamas plan on healthcare, his massive spending putting our grand-children in debt, and his slipping popularity due to the mishandling of America and our slip into socialism. Are you really too blind to see it?

Sounds to me like there's just a "bush" pulled over your eyes and anytime anyone tries to bring anything else up, your feeble mind is unable to respond.

About Obama being a muslim or whatever, you can't take what a few republicans say and use it as a blanket statement for all republicans...who is the one who is misleading people here? SHould I use PETA and ALF statements and classify them as the feelings of ALL liberals? C'mon fish, you can do better than that, any moron can see through your empty claims.

I think it's about time to stop arguing about EVERYTHING ELSE BUT the subjects at hand: Obamas health care plan and Americas slip into socialism. How bout it, libs? No more "It depends on what the meaning of is "is"" arguments, and no more Bush. Get a clue, and give a response. Holy crap.

I know trying to talk sense into a liberal is almost impossible, but the level of MORON in some of these libs responses is absolutely astounding!


Andy

[FishaHallic]

"And whatsup with McCain "hopefully dying in office"?? You really wanted him to die if he won? Atta boy. Its amazing that you bleeding heart liberals could mention such words. "

Actually, that was your boy Marty that said that. I have never and would never say "I hope someone dies".

Again, I don't see any facts. Because you post something does not mean they are facts. You could post the whole health care bill but then when you add that it further slides us into socialism then that is not a fact and is not up for discussion. You can say you don't like the healthcare bill and this is fine but your side can't stop at that, you must add that Obama is a socialist and is pushing his socialist agenda.

[Marty]

"And whatsup with McCain "hopefully dying in office"?? You really wanted him to die if he won? Atta boy. Its amazing that you bleeding heart liberals could mention such words. "

Actually, that was your boy Marty that said that. I have never and would never say "I hope someone dies".

Again, I don't see any facts. Because you post something does not mean they are facts. You could post the whole health care bill but then when you add that it further slides us into socialism then that is not a fact and is not up for discussion. You can say you don't like the healthcare bill and this is fine but your side can't stop at that, you must add that Obama is a socialist and is pushing his socialist agenda.

Dave you are miss quoting me – just like everything else you can’t get your fact straight! Now answer Andy's questions!

[Rod Martin]

After watching Nancy and Barney , I'm not sure how anyone can call the R's bigger liars than the Dems.
But you can go ahead and live that dream.

As far as the R's being losers because of the last election, One would only have to look at history to see that the country has passed between the Dems and Rs several times. I dont think One cycle in goverment will truly mean that much. and unless Obama becomes King He can only be around at most 8 years or just maybe 4 years, even if the Dems keep Obama . The way Nancy is running things , how much can he do with a R congress

[FishaHallic]

"And whatsup with McCain "hopefully dying in office"?? You really wanted him to die if he won? Atta boy. Its amazing that you bleeding heart liberals could mention such words. "

Actually, that was your boy Marty that said that. I have never and would never say "I hope someone dies".

Again, I don't see any facts. Because you post something does not mean they are facts. You could post the whole health care bill but then when you add that it further slides us into socialism then that is not a fact and is not up for discussion. You can say you don't like the healthcare bill and this is fine but your side can't stop at that, you must add that Obama is a socialist and is pushing his socialist agenda.

Dave you are miss quoting me – just like everything else you can’t get your fact straight! Now answer Andy's questions!

Did you or did you not say that hopefully McCain would have been elected and then McCain would die so Pallin could be president? Not a direct quote but close enough. I am not gonna search for the quote but that was the jist of your remarks.

[Marty]

"And whatsup with McCain "hopefully dying in office"?? You really wanted him to die if he won? Atta boy. Its amazing that you bleeding heart liberals could mention such words. "

Actually, that was your boy Marty that said that. I have never and would never say "I hope someone dies".

Again, I don't see any facts. Because you post something does not mean they are facts. You could post the whole health care bill but then when you add that it further slides us into socialism then that is not a fact and is not up for discussion. You can say you don't like the healthcare bill and this is fine but your side can't stop at that, you must add that Obama is a socialist and is pushing his socialist agenda.

Dave you are miss quoting me – just like everything else you can’t get your fact straight! Now answer Andy's questions!

Did you or did you not say that hopefully McCain would have been elected and then McCain would die so Pallin could be president? Not a direct quote but close enough. I am not gonna search for the quote but that was the jist of your remarks.

Just like most Liberals – miss quote someone then call them a liar!

What I said was “Elect Juan and put Sarah a heartbeat way from the Presidencyâ€

[FishaHallic]

NO, no, I did not call you a liar. Remember this is the nice FishaHallic until I leave Reno for good in about 1 week. I will agree to disagree with what you said because I just don't feel like looking thru all the threads to try and prove you wrong.

[Thunnus Salmoides]

Have not seen any facts yet, I hear a lot of right wing propoganda aka LIES but no facts. Like I said earlier I am not gonna take my time to read a cut and paste job or some right wing bloggers thoughts. This is all coming from the same group that said Obama is a muslim but yet he was sworn in on a bible?

Hey FishaHallic, do you find it a bit peculiar that he took the oath a second time without the bible? I don't claim to know what is in his heart but I do find it strange that when came down to it, he did not use the bible. I would think that a christian, on probably the most important day of his life, would stick with tradition and use the bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ni2zx00BTE

[FishaHallic]

I thought you would figure it out after the last election but your (the republican party) style of politics which is to throw a bunch of crap on a wall and see what sticks does not work. Even more telling of your absence of any argument is the use of your cartoon as proof that Obama is a Muslim.

Keep trying or else people will realize you have nothing else to offer except more lies.

[Vince E]

So Fish, in a direct response to my predictions above:

Do you or do you not think that the govt. will tell us how to eat and otherwise maintain our health as a result of taxpayer supported health care.

Do you or do you not think that they will use an excuse for influencing doctors as a foot in the door towards controlling all independent contractors eventually?


I'm not asking for facts but rather your opinion, based on your intuition. I just want you and everyone else to remember what your answer is when these things come to pass.

[Thunnus Salmoides]

I thought you would figure it out after the last election but your (the republican party) style of politics which is to throw a bunch of crap on a wall and see what sticks does not work. Even more telling of your absence of any argument is the use of your cartoon as proof that Obama is a Muslim.

Keep trying or else people will realize you have nothing else to offer except more lies.

I am not claiming that Obama is a muslim. You are claiming that Obama was sworn in on a bible which is not true. I was just wondering if you found that curious.

[FishaHallic]

I thought you would figure it out after the last election but your (the republican party) style of politics which is to throw a bunch of crap on a wall and see what sticks does not work. Even more telling of your absence of any argument is the use of your cartoon as proof that Obama is a Muslim.

Keep trying or else people will realize you have nothing else to offer except more lies.

I am not claiming that Obama is a muslim. You are claiming that Obama was sworn in on a bible which is not true. I was just wondering if you found that curious.

Watch and learn, try watching a news program and do some reading. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjnygQ02aW4 The first minute should clue you in.......unless of course CSPAN is in cahouts with the dems and the state of Hawaii (falsified birth certificate from 1959 (I think). While your at it, did you know that man has never really walked on the moon

[FishaHallic]

So Fish, in a direct response to my predictions above:

Do you or do you not think that the govt. will tell us how to eat and otherwise maintain our health as a result of taxpayer supported health care.

Do you or do you not think that they will use an excuse for influencing doctors as a foot in the door towards controlling all independent contractors eventually?


I'm not asking for facts but rather your opinion, based on your intuition. I just want you and everyone else to remember what your answer is when these things come to pass.

THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING..................................

The answer to your questions is ...............................................N O

[Thunnus Salmoides]

I thought you would figure it out after the last election but your (the republican party) style of politics which is to throw a bunch of crap on a wall and see what sticks does not work. Even more telling of your absence of any argument is the use of your cartoon as proof that Obama is a Muslim.

Keep trying or else people will realize you have nothing else to offer except more lies.

I am not claiming that Obama is a muslim. You are claiming that Obama was sworn in on a bible which is not true. I was just wondering if you found that curious.

Watch and learn, try watching a news program and do some reading. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjnygQ02aW4 The first minute should clue you in.......unless of course CSPAN is in cahouts with the dems and the state of Hawaii (falsified birth certificate from 1959 (I think). While your at it, did you know that man has never really walked on the moon

Are you in denial?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXq4d3xSOcg

And this from the Clinton News Network. No video footage allowed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDj3-Udd ... re=related

And you should move here to the Peoples Republic of California. The bluest state in the union. You would fit in quite well here in this liberal utopia.

[FishaHallic]

I am not claiming that Obama is a muslim. You are claiming that Obama was sworn in on a bible which is not true. I was just wondering if you found that curious.

Watch and learn, try watching a news program and do some reading. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjnygQ02aW4 The first minute should clue you in.......unless of course CSPAN is in cahouts with the dems and the state of Hawaii (falsified birth certificate from 1959 (I think). While your at it, did you know that man has never really walked on the moon

Are you in denial?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXq4d3xSOcg

And this from the Clinton News Network. No video footage allowed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDj3-Udd ... re=related

And you should move here to the Peoples Republic of California. The bluest state in the union. You would fit in quite well here in this liberal utopia.

He took his oath on the bible I don't know what else to tell you. Because he retook his oath later means nothing. The only reason he retook the oath was because some right wing nut job would have probably tried to say he is not really the...................oh nevermind

[Greg_Cornish]

http://lakeconews.com/content/view/9859/772/ Local news

[Dan McKenzie]

it was a fair vote, the people spoke and this administration is doing what EVERY single administration has done before them. Oh so now you don't like it?

How do you think people felt when Bush shoved war down the throats of those who didn't want it?

Too bad is what I say. You want an aristicratic utopia, where only those who can afford it get the care and treatment.

Now you know exactly how the other side felt when your agenda was shoved down their throats. Get over it, maybe try opening your ears and actually listening to the needs and wants of others. Don't worry it won't cost YOU too much

[Rod Martin]

No it wont cost me too much. If it passes and there is a board that decides cost vs good, it just might mean my life ends early, nothing big. I have always worked for what I got, guess I need to learn how to work the system instead.

I will do my best to learn the new system and how to work it, after all I'm just an old fart trying to stay alive and cost you guys money for as long as possible

[Greg_Cornish]

Lets all work for the greater good like in STAR TREK

[Vince E]

The Next Generation really was a great tool for prepping the mind of young viewers to accept certain ideas.

But I loved it anyway.

[Ringer]

Whether the economy is good or bad we will see change next year. People are so tired of the partison ankle biting that they will vote a bunch of incumbents out. Hell the democrats are even starting to eat their own with the Arlen Spector deal. People in the middle gave Obama a chance only because he promised bi-partisanship and transparency. Not exactly happening. Enjoy the top view because it won't last long.

[Greg_Cornish]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3YPvBGQ_co

[2ndsuks]

Ronald Reagan Warns Against "Socialized Medicine" as the Path to a Socialized America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiyfG4WMxA0

[Greg_Cornish]

Ronald Reagan Warns Against seatbelts and color TVs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbQojTKxb_c

[2ndsuks]

I'll admit the seatbelt and color TV spoof was funny.
But not as amusing as Bill Maher laughing and saying socialism has not happened.
Ronald Reagan makes clear that once we except socialized medicine it is a short step to socialism. Does Maher think before he speaks, obviously he does not.