Sponsorships

Sinjin Kim · Post by **Sinjin Kim** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:24 pm

As a bass fisherman I know how important it must be for you tournament gents to rely on corporate sponsors to help you out with seasonal expenses. For this reason, I would like to demonstrate my commitment to the fishing industry by offering sponsorships to those who may be a match for what my company is looking for. PHB Herbs manufactures & distributes proprietary herbal formulations created by a doctor with over 53 years of experience in the field; who many other doctors in the field calls one of our generation's last true herb guru.

I would like to give anglers the opportunity to get sponsored by PHB Herbs, but I would first appreciate some marketing information: (if someone has this information, it will give me a better idea as to how much I am willing to spend. It will be strictly cash deals and not products. After all, you guys have enough crap! lol)

In the past, how effective was it for a nutrition supplement company to invest in sponsoring fishermen? ROI? Examples, case studies...

You can email me at sinjin@phbherbs.com

As for our products, our chief scientific officer (53 years experience) can make just about any herbal formula for countless physical conditions. As an example, one of our products is a men's sexual enhancement product (this product is incredible. Just ask John Chin on this board). Other products that may be feasible to market to the fishing community are: herbal energy supplements, weight loss, colon cleanse/detox/constipation, skin allergies, common seasonal allergies, asthma, diabetes...

brambo0311 · Post by **brambo0311** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:30 pm

I spotted a boat with a Mona Via wrap on the cowling at clear lake.

I think the motor took a sh#t....

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:08 pm

REAL men don't need this CRAP! With all do respect I'm LMAO! Water....

brambo0311 · Post by **brambo0311** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:51 pm

I have an old add from the Gold Rush days. It says you rub this stuff on and roll down the hills and the California gold just sticks to you.

Its funny how people still peddle snake oil. We all know its a Tri fecto scam, piramid thing that has nothing to do with a product. Its all about buying and getting others to buy. All your gunna do is end up with a garage full of stuff that turn your a## into a salad shooter. Trouble is the weak minded get sucked into this stuff and go balls out, it really is a cult. They get all freaky.

A smart guy I used to call a jerk said this. "Make a living with hard work, always work harder then the guy next to you. That way you dont owe them anything." I guess being raised and living this way wont make me rich, but I will still have friends in the end.

If this doesnt help, I think AMWAY changed there name and is still pulling this stuff.

Sinjin Kim · Post by **Sinjin Kim** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:40 pm

Are you kidding me? I offer to sponsor an angler or anglers for not only business purposes but since I too am angler and know the importance of tournament anglers receiving money from companies to keep them afloat during the tournament season my thread gets flamed on?

Amway? Although they are not directly my competition, I will attest their Nutrilite brand is of high quality and recommended by many.

Some "people" always talk as if they know everything and get a kick out of raining on someone's parade.

If you want to make an argumentative statement, give facts and please do it in a professional manner.

Thanks for your philosophy on work/life but I rather learn from a company (Amway) that has projections to sell $1 BILLION this year alone.

Your remarks about snake oil and such, hinting that TCM is a bunch of voo doo is down right ignorant. Eastern medicine has been around for thousands of years and its growing influence in America is staggering.

Gumpa · Post by **Gumpa** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:31 am

Again. Is this a forum for discussing fishing or is it a place to push your products? I think you could have at least had the common sense not to put a post as this on a fishing site and here's why.

At some point in our lifetime we have been presented with this type of item in a under handed manner I know I sure was and it leaves a forever lasting BAD! taste in your mouth. So don't come on here expecting a warm welcome. It's not going to happen.

You would have recieved a much better responce to your sponsorship offer if that;s all you would have posted. Let's say, I am interested in sponsoring angler's. If interested please pm me.

But insead you choose to give the whole spill about the product's and so forth. Not good! Good luck with your business but don't try and cram it down everyone's neck here.....We all see right throught it.

Sinjin Kim · Post by **Sinjin Kim** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:41 am

Gumpa wrote:Again. Is this a forum for discussing fishing or is it a place to push your products? I think you could have at least had the common sense not to put a post as this on a fishing site and here's why.

At some point in our lifetime we have been presented with this type of item in a under handed manner I know I sure was and it leaves a forever lasting BAD! taste in your mouth. So don't come on here expecting a warm welcome. It's not going to happen.

You would have recieved a much better responce to your sponsorship offer if that;s all you would have posted. Let's say, I am interested in sponsoring angler's. If interested please pm me.

But insead you choose to give the whole spill about the product's and so forth. Not good! Good luck with your business but don't try and cram it down everyone's neck here.....We all see right throught it.

Point taken. It is not like I am some spammer who has never supported the board.

I figured if someone may be interested in the offer, that they should know something about the company.

By the way, once the first product site is up and running, I will gladly purchase add space on this site.

Joe Bruce · Post by **Joe Bruce** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:26 am

ah stupid fisherman
I dont know this guy or his co but to discount herbs alltogether is about one of the most foolish things Iv seen on this board. Add in the guy is looking to give cash to someone to promote his product. unfinbeliveable

some of you deserve box/can dinners & fast food lunch

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:57 am

I don't know what you clowns are talking about. This could be the kind of non-endemic deal some of us could use. Not for me as I am a McDonalds breakfast guy......still.

But somebody that is in to health supplements could help promote this company by providing their boat for a wrap, wearing a jersey and being a knowledgeable representative of the company on the street. I am sure they will not have to do any brainwashing or subject you guys to a seminar at every tournament.

I do see this thread as fishing related. I am looking for a corporate deal for myself and somebody here may have had one dropped on their doorstep. It costs me around 24,000 to fish one season of Strens with my son. If I can help a company promote their product on the road with my boat wrap and talk to a few people about the company's product in exchange for some help with that 24 grand I am all for it.

If the guy came on here with his first post just to tell you about his goods I could see your point. Sinjin has been on this site for years. If his company is serious about promotion through professional bass fishing he has just made a 5 or 6 figure job offer to a bass fisherman. We need more of this as most of those garage lure companies that you guys praise can not do this.

Save the dogs for the guy that shows up telling you he found a hot bait from Texas.

davet. · Post by **davet.** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:39 am

This may be legit, but does it pass the smell test?
Couple questions: would your recruits be pressed to sign up more recruits and would each recruit gather money from all recruits beneath them? Is it multilevel marketing, sideways thru a garden hose or whatever name you want to give it to make it not sound like a pyramid?
Is it a straight retail market?
I'm not trashing you, just being cautious, because this sounds earily like a previous poster, buying ad space and all.

davet. · Post by **davet.** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:50 am

As an example, one of our products is a men's sexual enhancement product (this product is incredible. Just ask John Chin on this board).

Now, how am I supposed to fish with a big woody all day......nevermind, big fish give me wood anyway.

Now if he had said "c'mon guys, I'm just trying to help those in pain!!", I would've fell off my chair.

brambo0311 · Post by **brambo0311** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:02 am

Its not a pretty sight when people with terminal illness flock to this stuff. They end up broke, dead and with a kool aid smile. You gotta be kiding me, easter medicine? If I ever develope a erectile disfuntion I am pretty sure I wont be throwing back a shot of viper pecker juice.

I know the 95 dollar seminar you saved 300 on, for the big pet me party got you all cultified and pumped up. But it looks like we all know better.

This isnt a bash on you party, its an intervention. Were is Dr. Phill?

I just dont want to see anyone get caught up in this kinda stuff. I have seen people get burned on Excel (telephone scheme), Amway, Mona Via, Pre-paid legal, and a few others. Just trying to help you out Sinjin. Take it for what its worth. If I was an a##hole and didnt care I would say go for it.

tunaman · Post by **tunaman** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:18 am

Joe Bruce wrote:unfinbeliveable

Right you are sir... Sinjin has been a member here for years and has come on here offering sponsorship to some deserving angler. He is not trying to push his products here folks! SO - this thread is not a debate on the value or lack thereof of herbal remedies... if you're interested in possibly picking up a fishing sponsorship, hook up with him and see what offer is on the table. If not, please don't try to derail the intent of the thread?

Thanks guys and gals!
Roger

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:45 am

My wife said to go get this sponsor, so did Eric's Momma maybe something to do with male enchancement. I will send you the info Mr, Sinjin. Thank you for including the fishing population.

brambo0311 · Post by **brambo0311** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:46 am

Im just playing around guys. Think I could get on of those erectile disfuntion wraps on a power pole? I will mount it upside down and just send it up every now and then and smile like the guy in the herpies commercial.

davet. · Post by **davet.** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:50 am

I spotted a boat with a Mona Via wrap on the cowling at clear lake.

I think the motor took a sh#t....

I wish they would have tried to flag me down for help.

davet. · Post by **davet.** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:55 am

Im just playing around guys. Think I could get on of those erectile disfuntion wraps on a power pole? I will mount it upside down and just send it up every now and then and smile like the guy in the herpies commercial

Now that there's funny, and I think it's smiling Bob from the Enzyte commercial.
The founder of that company is doing prison time right now for scamming peoples credit cards, he musta sold cuz Bob is back.

Rob Dickson · Post by **Rob Dickson** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:11 am

Some of you need to lighten up. Sinjin is a cool guy and offers a sponsorship deal without even pushing the product on here and people get their panties all up in a wad. Thanks for thinking of the fisherman Sinjin.

Sinjin Kim · Post by **Sinjin Kim** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:26 am

Thanks for all the emails and private messages. I am swamped with work and promise to to reply to each and everyone. I see the same questions on the messages I've received this morning and would like to take a moment to clarify a few things:

1) PHB Herbs will NOT run MLM, Pyramid or other similar marketing plans. I can't share by business plan in detail for obvious reasons, but I can say that our approach is very mainstream: e-commerce, affiliate networking, lease licensing to other companies (private label), whole distributions, dropshipping to those interested etc... We will work the old fashion way and not depend on solely on a sales force such as direct sellers.

2) What I am looking for in a possible sponsoree is one who possess a decent amount of knowledge in health in general. You don't have to be certified in any health practice but have decent amount of general health knowledge or at least be willing to be educated by our trainer so that you can properly represent the company and/or product(s).

Image will mean a lot considering the sponsoree will be representing a nutritional supplement product(s). Can't have people who smoke, severely overweight. Someone such as Troy Lindner (Troy I will call you soon bud) who is a personal trainer, educated in his field and knows a lot about health would be ideal.

3) We we offer: Pay ALL of your tournament fees for 1 full season and after that season, the contract can be extended or broken by any of the two parties. We will pay to have the boat wrapped with our design and provide proper attire. I have never sponsored an angler before so I am sure there must be things I must have left out and concerns can be openly discussed.

brambo0311,

Do you know what the main cause of Erectile Dysfunction is? It is chemical drugs or what you may say western medicine.

Over 200 commonly prescribed drugs are known to cause or contribute to impotence, including drugs for high blood pressure, heart medications, antidepressants, tranquilizers, and sedatives. A number of over-the-counter medications also can lead to impotence. Long-term use of alcohol and illicit drugs may affect the vascular and nervous systems and are associated with erectile dysfunction.

I am ridiculously busy today and once again I promise to reply to each and every message/email by the end of today.

***One last thing:

When you send me your information, please send education background and a short fishing biography of yourself. Also, include which tournaments you plan on fishing the '09/'10 season.

In regards to tournaments, I am not overly interested in sponsoring FLW tournaments due to FLW's restrictions on non-FLW sponsored logo, apparel etc... It simply isn't feasible for me to spend thousands on each FLW tournament fee when and if the sponsored angler makes the top 10 cut, there is no air time for them because PHB Herbs is not a FLW sponsor. Not trying to be bias, just being business practical.

brambo0311 · Post by **brambo0311** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:26 am

I would like to offer my sponsor ship. I make you 100 jigs and you get lounge prices 3 bucks a piece. and if you sell those you get 10 for free. If you get someone else to sell them I will multiply that by .024 and .011 for every customer that he gets in a variable calender year. They are really good and give you wood and take the scabs off your junk and G-man re grew a hand were his nub was....

Come on guys cant you take a joke.

Screw it Im going fishing.......later..

lowerider · Post by **lowerider** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:17 pm

Whats so funny about all this bashing is if it was cooch or dobyns making an offer like this half of the forum here would line up on there knees with life savings in hand.

j10b · Post by **j10b** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:59 pm

lowerider wrote:Whats so funny about all this bashing is if it was cooch or dobyns making an offer like this half of the forum here would line up on there knees with life savings in hand.

true dat

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:19 pm

3) We we offer: Pay ALL of your tournament fees for 1 full season

All circuits including National Guard? Sign me up!

BassManDan · Post by **BassManDan** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:28 pm

Brambo,

Will you sponsor me?!?!? It would be a dream come true!

I promise I can sell more jigs than any other of your prostaffers!

As for Sinjin's original post, yeah, it might sound wierd, but if its a real sponsorship deal that is helping you out, why not? Sure you see the anglers with all the fishing sponsors plastered over their clothes and boat, but look at the FLW Tour, Duracell, Land O Lakes, Crown Royal, these definitely aren't mainstream fishing sponsors, but the are getting exposure, and thats what every sponsor wants.

So cheers to Sinjin for offering a neat opportunity to those who are willing to take a shot!

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:59 pm

lowerider wrote:Whats so funny about all this bashing is if it was cooch or dobyns making an offer like this half of the forum here would line up on there knees with life savings in hand.

LMAO, not me!

I fish for me, and me only! Ya see I got whats call a job, and fishing tourneys is for fun not a career. When I read the post I thought it sounded like he was trying to sell something, if he trully was not then I appologize. If the posters sole reason for the post was to help out some anglers that need some then good for him! I just didn't read it that way....

davet. · Post by **davet.** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:08 pm

Whats so funny about all this bashing is if it was cooch or dobyns making an offer like this half of the forum here would line up on there knees with life savings in hand.

It's not about the person that's making the offer, it's about the widespread image that people have of the supplemental health industry.
And if Cooch or BDO were pushing magical fruit juice or snorting root powder, they'd catch some criticisim too.
I'm in no way, nor have I in any way been bashing this guy, just asking some honest questions and making some honest observations.
I hope he and his sponsoreds do well as long as intentions are honest.

fishinman · Post by **fishinman** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:49 pm

I'm with Robert F. , you guys are almost paranoid! Sponsorships involving herbal medicinal products are quite the rage, Have you ever listened to some of the pharmaceutical companies advertising on tv. Now their products sound scary.

lowerider · Post by **lowerider** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:14 pm

I made the post as a joke not directed at anyone. I hope someone can take advantage of this offer and it is legit.

YZKEN250 · Post by **YZKEN250** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:25 pm

lowerider wrote:I made the post as a joke not directed at anyone. I hope someone can take advantage of this offer and it is legit.

Its legit. I know this for sure. After spending a few days prefishing with Sinjin for the FLW NG last year, he is one of the most down to earth guys out there. And one hell of a Halibut fisherman. Good on you Sinjin. Ken

Sinjin Kim · Post by **Sinjin Kim** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:34 pm

IDEAL CANDIDATE

I've been receiving a lot of inquiries and have been asked similar questions so I will try to make it as detailed and clear as possible as to what PHB Herbs is looking for.

Appearance - Coming from a military background, I believe appearance is very important and often times demonstrates one's professionalism and/or commitment in whatever he or she may be involved in.

Remember, the candidate will be a representative/ambassador of a company that promotes living healthy life styles through exercise, good eating habits and proper intake of specific herbal supplements to match individual needs.

Education - We are not specifically looking for highly educated individuals, however, the line has to be drawn somewhere. The candidate doesn't necessarily have to have a degree from a highly respected institution but must at least "sound" educated. That leads to the next requirement.

Verbal Communication Skills - We are not going to ask you to give seminars representing our products. However, if you are driving a truck/boat with our company image wrapped around your vehicles and approached by a complete stranger asking you about PHB Herbs and its products, I most definitely would want someone who can verbally portray our company well. PHB Herbs will train you properly so that you have the understanding and "tools" to present yourself and our company well.

Social Media Networking/Personal Websites - If you have Twitter, Facebook, Myspace and other social media accounts will relatively high numbers of followers, we will take that into consideration and potentially offer you more $$$.

If you have personal websites, we will do or due diligence (traffic rating) and if feasible, we will once again offer you more $$$.

Tournaments - Any FLW tournament entry fees will not be included in our deal. There are too many restrictions that simply make it not feasible for PHB Herbs to invest thousands of dollars for each tournament if he or she will never have any t.v. air time due to the fact that PHB Herbs is not a sponsor of FLW. For this reason, contacts have been made to Elite Series pros. As a personal opinion, I think FLW should remove their sponsor apparel/logo restrictions as it often times hampers anglers from solidifying a sponsorship agreement with non FLW sponsoring companies.

All local tournament trails will be accepted and we intend to offer this sponsorship to out of state anglers. I say this because I have already received inquiries from anglers as far north as Washington state and as far east as North Carolina.

We will pay for entry fees starting to and end of the 2009-2010 seasons of various tournament organizations including WON Bass Pro/Ams.

Incentives - This is not required at all and is designed to help the sponsoree make some extra cash on the side. We will allow our sponsored anglers to direct sell should they find a want/need. It is entirely up to the individual.

Performance based bonuses will be considered and negotiated. For instance, we may offer an additional "X" amount if you place in the top 3 and/or win AOY for each tournament trail you are involved in.

There is obviously more that will be taken into consideration and negotiated with each individual angler.

Company Information - PHB Herbs, LLC was founded earlier this year. The back bone of the company is Peter Kim PhD, OMD, LAc. who has over 53 years of acupunture and herb experience. He specializes in internally caused condition/illnesses and has accomplished unbelievable results:

skin allergies - 98% treatment/success* rate.
athma - 95% treatment/success rate
psoriasis - 85%
diabetes (both types)- 90%
infertility - 100%
acne - 100%
hypertension - 94%
kidney stones - 90+%

There are other countless unique conditions he has treated* over the decades and has yet to receive one lawsuit filed against him while practicing in the state of California and in S. Korea.

I personally call him "Dr. Herbal Frankenstein" because he has an incredibly understanding of herbs and its uses and non uses on individuals. For instance, 20+ years ago, he predicted the use of Ma Huang (ephedra) in weight loss supplements will kill and/or severely handicap users of products made with this herb. The American society is merely scrapping the surface of understanding TCM that has been around in Asia for thousands of years and it requires a highly skilled and experienced individual such as Dr. Kim to properly diagnose and treat patients.

Moreover, it was suggested in an email earlier that a "focus" supplement may be very marketable. If I were to ask Dr. Kim to create such a formula (not a single herb like Ginkgo Biloba), it would take less than few minutes for him to write down a formulation for such a product. The possibilities are endless!

However, Dr. Kim is not the most business savvy person and his lack of greed has lead to his modest life style working strictly out of clinic treating local individual.

With this said, PHB Herbs, LLC is utilizing Dr. Kim's knowledge and his incredible formulas to manufacture mainstream products and to distribute these products all over America as well as foreign countries.

The first product will be released in less than two weeks and from that point on, we intend to release one product after another.

Because each and everyone of the formulas are proprietary formulas, highly effective and nearly impossible to duplicate by our competitors, we feel the company we grow quickly and once this occurs, I will be in more of a better position to assist my fellow anglers. Moreover, we are not in the business of selling vitamins, minerals and singled herbs bottled for sale to the consumer. Rather, we make products that makes drastic improvements; improvements you can feel and see.

*The term "treat or treatment" is defined differently by eastern and western medicine. In western (chemical) medicine, the term treatment is used very loosely. Insulin shots is considered a treatment for diabetes. This "treatment" often becomes dependent to the patient and must be used indefinitely (which often times leads to death).

In eastern medicine, the term cure is not used. Rather, treat or treatment is defined as bringing a human body into a homeostasis state so that body is not dependent on any herbs, drugs etc... Your body becomes healthy enough to function on its own; the way mother nature intended.

I've been advised by some that my marketing dollars may be better spent else where to organically create internet traffic to our websites, but I am going off on a limb to help an industry I have the utmost respect and passion for. I also believe branding is crucial and what better to have bass boats and trucks wrapped with our company/product logo roaming the highways and streets to one body of water to another! It is like a moving billboard and I can't wait!

I've been MIA on this board for the better part of the last year and I apologize for my limited participation but once the company gets gets off the ground, I intend to enter bass tournaments once again. Look forward to seeing you gents on the water!

All the best,

Sinjin Kim, President
PHB Herbs, LLC
Los Angeles, CA 90029
sinjin@phbherbs.com

Please send inquiries to sinjin@phbherbs.com and attach a photo of yourself, educational background information, public speaking experience, tournaments desired to be fished next season, knowledge of health, herbs, nutritional supplements, and your present health status.

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:00 am

Sinjin Kim wrote:IDEAL CANDIDATE

[/b] - Any FLW tournament entry fees will not be included in our deal. There are too many restrictions that simply make it not feasible for PHB Herbs to invest thousands of dollars for each tournament if he or she will never have any t.v. air time due to the fact that PHB Herbs is not a sponsor of FLW. For this reason, contacts have been made to Elite Series pros. As a personal opinion, I think FLW should remove their sponsor apparel/logo restrictions as it often times hampers anglers from solidifying a sponsorship agreement with non FLW sponsoring companies.

All local tournament trails will be accepted and we intend to offer this sponsorship to out of state anglers. I say this because I have already received inquiries from anglers as far north as Washington state and as far east as North Carolina.

We will pay for entry fees starting to and end of the 2009-2010 seasons of various tournament organizations including WON Bass Pro/Ams.

Pretty short-sighted. You will get far more exposure with an FLW angler than a WONBass or team angler. Elite Series? Get out over a hundred grand.

FLW has only been protecting it's TV exposure lately. You see plenty of Non-FLW sponsors promoted in web stories. Look at Hack at the East/West fish-off. There was a big Triton logo across the check picture. There may be big changes if WalMart leaves as rumored. If you are counting on TV exposure how are you going to get it with WON?

Media exposure is out there if an angler goes after it. FLW is the highest level of professional bass fishing we have. Do you think people would be interested in going to a seminar led by an FLW angler? Do you think your corporate peers know the difference in Dean Rojas and Gabe Bolivar? Do you think an FLW angler is going to be logging more hours on the water or travel farther on the road with the wrapped boat? Do you think the FLW angler is going to write more magazine articles?

You might want to review your guidelines and consider what you are going to get for your money. FLW anglers are a good investment. If you think you are going to get TV with a 50th ranked Elite angler by dropping a hundo power to ya.

I bet half that spent on a top WEST COAST FLW guy is going to be a better investment. I know it will be better for West Coast fishing to have a guy given the opportunity to pay for his fishing from a good wrap deal. We need guys that are not gambling their credit card limits to keep professional fishing out west.

BTW I am not a candidate or I would be fighting harder for this deal.

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:35 am

WOW!! Fat people lose again. Del Taco all nighter. I drink Diet Coke does that count?

brambo0311 · Post by **brambo0311** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:40 am

g-man wrote:
lowerider wrote:Whats so funny about all this bashing is if it was cooch or dobyns making an offer like this half of the forum here would line up on there knees with life savings in hand.

LMAO, not me!

I fish for me, and me only! Ya see I got whats call a job, and fishing tourneys is for fun not a career. When I read the post I thought it sounded like he was trying to sell something, if he trully was not then I appologize. If the posters sole reason for the post was to help out some anglers that need some then good for him! I just didn't read it that way....

I thought he was in here peddling viper piss myself. I figured it out after my first post, but was haveing to much fun. Anyways I didnt intend any harm and listening to sinjin rant and put down western medicine and tell me how stupid I was almost made me spit my American coffee out my nose laughing so hard.

Sinjin Kim · Post by **Sinjin Kim** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:48 am

After speaking with several Elite Series pros, I know that it doesn't always cost 100s of thousand to sponsor and Elite Series pro and this figure is limited to highly visible anglers such as KVD, Skeet and a few others.

The entry fees for Elite Series, FLW NG and FLW Tours are very similar and from a business perspective, I believe my branding/marketing dollars are better spent sponsor a Elite Series pro rather and a FLW pro. There are more viewers of the ESPN Elite Series compared to FLW tournaments that are aired on Versus.

I have nothing against FLW and appreciate the opportunity that has been given to west coast anglers but my opinion is based on the fact that in order to receive air time on FLW, anglers must be wearing logos of FLW sponsoring entities and that too me really seems unfair, however I respect their decision. When anglers make the top 10 cut, I understand there is a special meeting that takes place and it is clearly mentioned that the angler will not receive air time should he be wearing "in appropriate" attire/boat wrap.

True, there is potentially more exposure of our brand/company by sponsoring a FLW Touring or FLW NG pro in comparison to local tournament organizations such as WON Bass; but at what cost? It is all about ROI at this point.

To make one thing, it is obvious our company and our products are not specifically tailored towards anglers. However, as stated before, it is because I've taken a personal interest in bass fishing that I am setting aside a marketing budget to assist the anglers our company sponsors. I would be thrilled if my support enabled an angler to fish certain tournaments which leads to a jump start in his or her career. At certain times in business, it is more than just about making money - it is about feeling good about what he or she does in their respective careers.

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:14 am

Sinjin Kim wrote: When anglers make the top 10 cut, I understand there is a special meeting that takes place and it is clearly mentioned that the angler will not receive air time should he be wearing "in appropriate" attire/boat wrap.

I have been to that meeting and that did not occur. The top 5 have camera boats and 6-10 have a camera in their boat. Doesn't matter what brand boat, motor or wrap. Obviously they will favor showing one of their sponsors, they give the anglers jerseys and the cameraman will go out of his way NOT to show a Mercury

but there is no problem with non-FLW products unless they are alcohol or tobacco. The end desire is to show what happened at the tournament.

Your mind is made up and it is great that you are seeing the value of professional bass fishing for marketing your product. I agree that FLW does have their priority of showing their sponsor logos but it is no different than any other company. I disagree that WON can provide a better vehicle to promote a non-endemic than FLW. The price of running a WONBass season is no different than a Stren and WON has nowhere near the exposure opportunities for an angler and his sponsor than FLW.

CN · Post by CN » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:05 am

lowerider wrote:Whats so funny about all this bashing is if it was cooch or dobyns making an offer like this half of the forum here would line up on there knees with life savings in hand.

Amen,

finebassfisher · Post by **finebassfisher** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:15 am

all you guys need to stop bitchin, hes offering money to you and your throwing it back in his face, most of these are internet fisherman anyway so dont mind them.

Sinjin Kim · Post by **Sinjin Kim** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:15 am

I will strongly take that into consideration and have my V.P. run a case/market study on FLW Stren. As for NG and Tour, I am not leaning that way, but since the entry fees for FLW Stren is within reason, I may consider paying entry fees for Stren series.

Thanks.

CN · Post by CN » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:38 pm

finebassfisher wrote:all you guys need to stop bitchin, hes offering money to you and your throwing it back in his face, most of these are internet fisherman anyway so dont mind them.

Hell Mark Martin drove with the sponser Viagra. Now that would be a little more tough than an erbal drink or whatever it is.

We have been killing the Striper's off the beach here around Moss Landing. It's a kick in the butt to see a 20lb Striper hit your Pencil Poper then try and land it with the surf going in and out.

Try just going fishing now and then.

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