Screwed by boat repair guy + carpet question

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I needed some fiberglass work done on my boat. So, I took it to a guy from my bass club who had his own fiberglass repair shop/business.

He originally worked on my boat last fall. Didn't fix craze lines in the port side cap, had a bad discolored area on the cap on the rear starboard, and had lots of white scuff marks on the navy starboard hull.

I dropped it off this past May and he was going to fix those things.

He told me it would be ready in 1 week...about a month ago. He ducked my calls repeatedly and didn't respond to messages. I had to bug his brother to finally get him to call me.

First, he was going to work on it after the BBAC dinner, but that didn't happen. Then he was supposed to work on it and drop it off this past Sat on his way to the Delta because he was helping the BBAC with their weigh-in/release boat. Didn't happen.

Then it was supposed to be Sunday, same deal - on the way to the weigh-in. Didn't happen.

He ignored me until Weds. Said it was done, but he wanted to have his guy detail it on Thurs.

I picked the boat up Th night...Didn't really look at it while picking it up 'cuz the owner at Yo's Marine in SJ stayed late waiting for me. (He lets this guy work out of his shop)

When I put it in the garage, I felt sick to my stomach. The carpet looks shredded. It has all these weird tracks and ridges, and the port rod locker looks really worn and scuffed. The boat was obviously not detailed as it was dirty and had bird crap and dust all over it.

The port side cap has 9 pin-sized holes in the glass. Looks like a crappy rush job, too.
The discolored area on the rear starboard cap was not touched.
The white scuff marks on the navy starboard hull were not touched.

So, after three months, it looks like he didn't do most of what he promised he was going to do...Did a lousy rush job on the one thing he did do, left new holes...and managed to ruin my carpet.

When I called him to tell him that I was disappointed, he said I was overreacting on the carpet and that a power clean would fix it. I have my doubts. Water doesn't regrow carpet.

He said that it wouldn't take much to fix the holes in the fiberglass, but wouldn't say why it wasn't done properly in the first place. I told him that I was extremely disappointed and I asked him what he planned to do to make this right.

He asked me what I wanted. I said it would make me happy if he would cover the cost of cleaning the carpet and the supposedly minor patching of the holes in my fiberglass. He said "why would I want to do that?" Well, because it's the right thing to do if you caused the damage. He said that he was willing to redo the work and clean the carpet himself, but besides that "I could take him to court if I wanted." I told him that I didn't trust him to work on my boat anymore as he had proven himself repeatedly to be unreliable and untrustworthy.

Needless to say, I was very disappointed in his unwillingness to hold himself accountable for both his lousy work and the additional damage he caused.

I am disgusted and feel taken advantage of.

Now I'm trying to figure out what to do. The insurance already paid him, so any further repairs are out of my own pocket.

A few questions:

1) What in heck happened to my carpet?
He said something about there being glue or sap all over the boat. That's BS. I keep the boat garaged and very clean. I scotchguard the carpet and clean stains with 303 carpet cleaner as needed. It is suspicious to me that the worst areas are adjacent to where he was working. It almost looks like the carpet was melted in spots or the carpet glue melted and ran together underneath.

2) Is this repairable/washable or would I need new carpet?

3) Any recommendations for a good boat carpet guy? (preferably Bay Area, Fremont/Union City region)

4) How much do you think it would cost to have the carpet cleaned or replaced?

5) Is it worth my time to take this guy to small claims court?
He is reportedly trying to move to Reno to open up a new shop.


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What is this turd cutters name?
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What is this turd cutters name?
PM sent.

I'm not sure what the rules are on libel, so I avoided posting his name just in case I have to go to court.

I don't mind PMing the info to anyone who is interested.(pretty sure that's ok since it isn't public)
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WOW sounds like the same story that happen to me years ago It wasn't Jerry Kuwada was it? I will say the name till this day that guy is a scam artist! Progressive cut him a check 2 weeks after the boat was dropped off for 6 g's which required my sig to cash, he forged my signature deposited the money and still kept my boat for almost 5 months giving me the run around and when I did get my boat back After finding out from my ins. the guy got paid 4 1/2 months ago(I had called them to tell em not to pay this guy) the work was BAD and not what we agreed!

I feel your pain all you can do is take him to court and DO IT! becuase if you dont he will most likely do it to somone else.

I even filed charges for forgery on this guy and nothing happen to him becuase the santa clara police said it could have been done by an employee by mistake :shock: :shock: :shock: go figure that one.
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Have you asked your insurance people if there is anything they can do? Have them come take a look at the crappy work he did and see what they have to say about it.

The other option being punch the guy in the face and be done with it. :D
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Sorry Dude I know you sent me a PM but this guy has to be stopped so it was Jerry Kuwada!!!!!! :shock: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Jerry Sue me dude, Im ready for it!

This guy is a jerk and to answer your question my ins. company told me I had to file charges they sent an adjuster out agreed the work was below second rate and cut me another check


Take it to "Smooth As Glass" the guy does great work, he is honest and fair
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Dom, Tin,

Thanks for the suggestion. I didn't know the ins company might be willing to help me out. (they're usually evil) I'll call them today.
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You may be able to have your insuranse company go after him. I would give them a call
the carpet sounds like it needs to be replaced.
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now its flawless.
sorry for your bad experience, I say go after him.
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AAA just called back. no recourse there
they don't insure for repair damage and said that unlike home contractors, AAA doesn't have recommended contractors so they don't guarantee work.
only recourse is legal action, per the agent.

I guess I need to look into different insurance coverage for the boat in between getting ready for court.
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Pro Fiberglass in Livermore-awesome work , worth the drive.Talk to Reza. :wink:
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+1 for Pro Fiberglass. Reza did a great job fixing my boat and got it done fairly quickly as well.
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That is not a coincidence that it was the same guy years apart. Who else got screwed in between you two?

Take him to court (small claims), no lawyers and you can call witness in and even subpoena someone in. Go have your boat fixed, the fiberglass and the carpet (it sounds like you are going to do it anyway). When having them fixed tell them the story and ask them what could have cause this. Then have them as witnesses – it is best to have them subpoena that way they get paid for miss work. Have Dom come in as witness and any other person that knows about it. Put the Marine in SJ as a co-defended (that is not to make them pay but for them to put pressure on this dude).

Have your receipts and any other paper work for the judge. More then likely this dude will not show up and you win. Once you win the case take the court paper work down to the county and file a lien on any property the guy’ owns.

You may not get all of your money back but you have done the right thing.

I also seen some of the work that Profiberglass has done – it looked real good.
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Help him out Dom, go to court with him!!!!!
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I would think if he did not perform all the work he got paid for by the insurance company, you may be able to get him on insurance fraud.
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I had an informal estimate for my 16ft bass tracker, about 800 hundred for the carpet to be replaced.

Your carpet, even if garaged may be old. Combined with 3 months outside and fiberglass all over it.....it sounds doomed.

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I got your back dude, just let me know ahead of time the court date so I can arrange time off from work. Trust me it will be my pleasure this guy took me for a ride he cost me way more money then just the 6g's its a long story so I wont go into it lets just say the first ever Snag proof open me and Jeremy did not make it in till 10:00pm that night, we missed everything and had to be towed in becuase of this JERK! :evil: :evil: :evil: Trust me he cant do fiberglass work nor can he install hydraulic steering!!!
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If you're going to take this guy to court, contact an attorney and find out how to proceed with the repairs.
At least have them done by either a factory authorized repair facility, or someone the boat dealer uses, so their work and opinion will carry some weight in court. Otherwise, it's his word vs. theirs.
Sounds like this guy has been ripping people off for a long time, so he probably knows all the ins and outs of the legal system.
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Problem you are going to have is that small claims is really unenforceable. I took a guy to small claims 2 years ago and am yet to see a penny of what the judge gave me. Since he works for himself, you cannot garnish his wages. I don't know of any recourse to get him to pay up. Good Luck with your claim. :evil:
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Good grief this guy is a loser. First you dont NEED a lawyer to go to small claims, you pay a small fee to the court. Its actually really easy and you just need to prove its 51% probable he did it.
I do not believe he can bring a lawyer to small claims. You have a limit you can get and I would go for it. Then I would open a complaint with the BBB.


That forgery should have been pushed there is NO excuse for Forgery and you should have gone above their heads. Its not that hard to get a few handwriting samples sent to a lab. Seeing it was 6000$ that was a felony, look slike your boy has a friend somewhere. Thats why you can call the FBI as well. Especially if it was anything close to state lines. Note to those involved mail something across state lines and you just cut the local PD out of the picture. Get it certified as well.

You may be able to still go after him for the theft of the funds,
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drlahman wrote:Problem you are going to have is that small claims is really unenforceable. I took a guy to small claims 2 years ago and am yet to see a penny of what the judge gave me. Since he works for himself, you cannot garnish his wages. I don't know of any recourse to get him to pay up. Good Luck with your claim. :evil:
you force the Sheriff to show up every day and serve him. After a while you can push that more. Sorry but self employed doesnt work, If that was the case it would be easy to be a dead beat dad.

You can garnish his tax returns as well.
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You got this guy by the plums. With the forgery and $6000.00 worth of work, poor work he does not stand a chance. Both you guys may be able to get what the guy screwed you out of.
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You can get them to pay and it is called a till tap. Decide wether you want to go after him personally or his business. Whatever goes on the original paperwork that you file with the court is who you are suing. If he gets paid at a fixed location of business and has a register or cash box go after the business rather than him personally.

I had to do this when I got overcharged on a transmission job by $2,600 and I did win and get the money.

He will have 30 days after he loses to pay up. If he does not you go to the court and get a writ of judgement and take it to the Sheriff and pay their fee and they will go get your money and add all court costs on to his bill so it will not cost you a dime. If he does not pay after 30 days you may have to take him back to court and the judge will make him bring in bank account #s and info on all his other assets like cars, boats, homes and business so when you go to do the till tap paperwork with the Sheriff they will know where to go get the money.

It may take some extra legwork if he does not want to pay but you can get your money and these a holes need to be brought through the legal system or they keep screwing people out of their hard earned $

When a mechanic works on your car and if it is over a certain $ amount they must give you a written work estimate showing the amount you will be charged and the work to be done. That may hold true here too. Did you get a detailed description of the work to be done and what it would cost you? Wether you did or did not you may be able to use it against him especially if he did not provide you one and he was legally obligated to do so.

Try starting with the better business bureau as they will try to come to an arrangement between you two and act as an intermediary. They will put together a report that you subpoena and the judge receives in court and opens during the trial and reads. Most of the time the judge will follow the better business bureau recommendations and by going through the better business bureau you will know if you will win before you file or pay to go to court.

You do not need an attorney and will look foolish if you bring one to small claims not to mention there goes all the money you will get back.

I just went through this kind of thing this year and won. Start by writing a chronology of events and be as specific as you can. Gather estimates to do the same work from others and bring in receipts. Take pictures and put together a report in chronological order with all these things. Then make 2 more copies you need 1 for yourself as a reference when you tell the story in court. 1 for the judge to look at and 1 for the defendant.

Get all your ducks in a row and file that report with the better business bureau and when they tell you that report is in your favor and he does not want to meet you half way file to take him to court and subpoena the report to the court and teach this a hole a lesson and get what is coming to you. I just sent you my # in a PM don't hesitate to use it if you have any questions.

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First of all, a big thanks to everyone who took the time to post and offer their help.

I'm blown away by all the support and really appreciate all of the help and advice. This post started as mostly a rant and warning, and now I feel I have some viable options to explore.

I'm going to take Rich's advice and put together a report for the BBB. At the very least, having a report filed should help the next guy down the line.

I'm also having the boat checked out by some carpet/upholstery specialists to see if it's repairable/salvageable.

From calling around, I got an informal estimate of $800-1200 from one place and $3500-4500 from Smooth as Glass to replace the carpet entirely. Now that Stratos is out of business, it's hard to get materials for spot repairs, apparently. Both places told me they recommended having the carpet professionally cleaned and using it as is until it falls apart. They didn't think it was worth the cost of replacement since it's still functional, just ugly.

Next stop would be some fiberglass guys to get an assessment of the quality of the work (or lack thereof) and an estimate to fix.

Depending on what the BBB says, I'll go from there.

Thanks again everyone. I'm reminded again of what a great resource this forum is and that the bass fishing community is made up of a bunch of solid folks with character.
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Kodiak

I would take alot of pics of the damage and just buy the carpet myself and recarpet the boat it is some work but well worth the effort also to save some more $$$$ remove the seats,etc yourself and take them to the shop to be recovered will save you alot more money becuase it cuts out the labor or R&R and they dont have to store your boat till its done, then take this piece of crap to court and get the judgement aginst him.

As for the fiberglass work here is what I did when I had to replace the floor in my Stratos just recently go on CL and look under services offered or in the for sale section of boats alot of good honest Glass guys on there just trying to make ends meat with the reccession I had the guy come to my house and he had it done in a week end did a great job and fiberglassed it all in and only cost me $300.00!!!!!!!!!! you know what a shop wants to replace the floor in a boat :shock:

I am married with two kids one a teenager so I try to save a buck were ever I can so if the money is com ing out of your pocket there are ways to get what you need without breaking the bank. just food for thought and again if you need me to go to court just let me know we are not the only guys this jerk has screwed over.

he screwed me years ago its over and done with I really wanted to woop this guys butt but if I remember right he had alot of support on this fourm back then so after getting my ins. to reissue the check I just let it go and here we are years later and he is still doing it to people :evil:

I understand we all make mistakes and sometimes we use bad judgement but if you can learn from it and move on then all is to be forgiven but when a person continues to screw people over thats when lines have to be drawn.
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Dom, why do you think I keep bucking the public opinion here? :lol:



I would take the High estimate to small claims or the max allowed. ITs like 25$ to file the claim.... seriously DO IT.
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IMHO BBB is a scam - I would not rely upon them for accurate information or support. They are a reporting agency at best. I would write them the note, but I would take anything they say with a jaundice eye.
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Being a business owner, I agree that the BBB isn't what they say they are. They use the ploy that they would send referrals IF I was a member, other wise they wouldn't give a referral.
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Sorry to hear that you got such poor service from JK on your boat.
I wished that I would have joined this forum earlier and shared my similar experience with "Fiberglass Unlimited". To make a long story short my boat was in that shop for over 6 months but in 2005. I also got 5 commit dates that were missed; and the quality was awful. I ended up taking my boat (unfinished) to another shop "Smooth as Glass" which did a great job cleaning up the mess that JK left.
I took "Fiberglass Unlimited" to small claims court and won a $3000 judgment from them. They went out of business to avoid paying my claim and I got nothing from them.
If you take him to court I would be willing to show up to support you. Make sure you make the claim against JK personally.

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