Drop Shot & C-Rig w/ a Punch Skirt???

[FROGvsBASS]

I was at Bass Jam and went by the paycheck booth and they had a display of the punch skirt on a drop shot and a carolina..it looked pretty damn good but didnt know if anybody had given this a shot.

I just saw that they have the rigging videos on the site..I will look to try em on sun and hopefully report back.

[BassManDan]

Punch Skirts or "additional skirt-type attractors" (we don't want to rely on brand names now do we?!

First thing I thought, "Wow' that would be really cool for texas rigging." Since I employ that techniques more than I do punching; and it works great. Undoubtedly would be great for C-Rigging or even big dropshot baits, how bout infront of a tube style swimbait? Lots of possibilities and hopefully everyone will be ignorant to only use their "additional skirt-type attractors" for punching and punching only!

[brambo0311]

Punch skirts are not as new as you think, and you don't need to spend 6 bucks for two either. I have been using these things for years.

http://www.barlowstackle.com/acb/showde ... 1&CATID=65

they have other sizes you can trim to your needs. It's the same darn thing and there about 50 cents each, 10 bucks for 20.

I use them on Texas rigged worms, Carolina ect.

[BassManDan]

Good post brambo,
First thing I did when I saw the punch skirts; asked myself "How can I make those?"

Small rubber grommet from the hardware store ($0.10 x 5 = $0.50) Skirt material 10 pad pack, enough to make 5 skirts ($2.50)

Total $3.00 for 5 punch skirts.

Extrapolate that 20 times = enough punch skirts to last you a lifetime for less than $20, plus they are in the exact color patterns YOU want.

Home-made punch skirt, Yamamoto Flappin Hog, 3/0 barbed BMF, 1/2 oz pegged Tungsten weight = Flipping Bait Supreme.

[Robert F]

First thing I did when I saw the punch skirts; asked myself "How can I make those?"

When you need to travel long distances do you ask yourself "how can I build an airplane?" Why is it necessary to copy everything somebody is offering for sale? Maybe if you are going to adapt something to your own needs it is a reasonable thought but to spend your day worrying how I can save a couple of bucks at the expense of another person's research and development seems lazy and cheap.

[MT]

I guess I'm cheap and lazy then.

[Marty]

This is my opinion and mine only – I will try my best not to offend anyone!

We are talking about two different type of skirts! The paycheck skirt is designed to go on the fishing line and is the only one (that I know of) that is for that purpose. It will not come apart when used in that application. It’s also designed to work with bullet weight that has a concave back end and the paycheck skirt has a convex collar that fits the backend of the bullet weight. The paycheck skirt will not fit on Jigs, Spinner-baits, and/or Chatter-baits and was not intended too.

The other type of skirt was designed to fit Jigs, Spinner-baits, and/or Chatter-baits and is held together with a rubber grommet and needs the lead shaft from the hook to help hold the skirt material together and in place. Yes you could use this design of a skirt on Carolina Rigs and Texas Rigs but I would venture to say it does not hold up to good (this I really don’t know since I have not tried this application).

I have seen skirt on lead bullet weights that has a grove cut at the bottom of the weight and the skirt material is tied on or a rubber grommet to hold in place. But I have not seen one on a tungsten weight. This type could be used on a Texas Rig but I don’t see it on a Carolina Rig and to change the color of the skirt you would have to change the weight too.

Two different types of skirts and two different costs and each used for different applications. The cost of paycheck skirts is not in the skirt material but in the design of the collar.

If you have not tried both and in there own environment it is hard to advise on the use of it except on that one costs more then the other - just my opinion and everyone knows opinions are like “AOâ€

[hippie]

thanks for the do it yourself version very helpful. i like saving money

[Johnny C]

http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/descpage ... GKOHS.html

[Andi]

http://talonlures.com/talonflipskirt.aspx

These are made specifically for use on the line and have a few extra features that users have asked for. They come 2 to a pack and are currently available in 49 colors.



To answer the original question, the Paycheck skirts as well as our Talon skirts both work great on drop shot rigs. I haven't tried either one on a C-rig, but if you saw the Paycheck guys set them up that way at BassJam, I'd trust they've proven their skirts to work well rigged in that way.

[BassManDan]

[quote]When you need to travel long distances do you ask yourself "how can I build an airplane?" Why is it necessary to copy everything somebody is offering for sale? Maybe if you are going to adapt something to your own needs it is a reasonable thought but to spend your day worrying how I can save a couple of bucks at the expense of another person's research and development seems lazy and cheap.[/quote]

Robert, so you'd rather spend $7 on a pack of 2 punch skirts, instead of make 10 of your own for the same price?

I guess all I can say is thanks for stimulating the economy with your purchases

[Robert F]

First thing I did when I saw the punch skirts; asked myself "How can I make those?"

First thing you did was try to copy somebodies idea? Why not buy it, use it and SUGGEST to the maker a way to better it or THEN make your own. Copies are one of the big problems in the fishing industry. No company can get ahead as there is always somebody trying to steal their design. Do you think this kind of thinking is what does in creative companies like Reaction Innovations? I do.

[fish_food]

Why is it necessary to copy everything somebody is offering for sale?

Because it's a fun and fulfilling activity to be able to roll your own, perhaps? Whether it's terminal tackle, lures, rods or ammunition--it's enjoyable to do-it-yourself and reap the rewards of your efforts...

[bigbass111]

I know that when I moved to Florida 5 years ago people were using punch skirts A.K.A mat skirts. They have been around for some time now and some of these manufacture's that are famous for them got them from somwhere else too.

I rarely used them out east and still would rather do without, my .02 cents.

Almost all lure manufacture's poach idea's when they can.

There was a kit to make them in fact, very cheap. You could buy these small glass rings and put you favorite band skirt around it for line to run through smooth and easy. (25 ring's, $5 then whatever skirt you wanted)

[Andi]

The general idea has been used in the Midwest for at least 20 years. I added little skirts to my tiny 1/8oz brass and glass finesse and splitshot rigs when I fished the rocks at Lake of the Ozarks back in the day. Ok. WAYYY back in the day.

I think the main advantage with the new skirt designs are the bead, sleeve or center material and how the skirts are actually tied to it. There is obviously a durability issue with using a traditional banded skirt, a "perfect skirt" or other silicone or soft rubber collared skirt. Threading a soft collar onto heavy line, smacking it around with a heavy weight, and then repeatedly wrestling even kindercare bass out of sloppy vegetation is not what it's intended or designed for. And, it offers nothing besides a temporary visual appeal.

Those of us with similar products designed specifically for this application are so far simply applying our own ideas to create a product with unique characteristics that we find excell in certain areas. Henry Ford built the first commercially marketed automobile, but we don't all drive Fords (I do, but that's because I like 'em). Other manufacturers have entered the market over the years and introduced unique features, and that competition has driven the market to keep delivering improvements.

I personally believe that one certain bait cannot excell at everything. As anglers, we pick the products that fit our ideas of what we need, what works best for us, what gives us confidence and ultimately the most return on our investment of both money and time.