Ya gotta be kiddin me!

Papa T · Post by **Papa T** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:54 am

Fished Disco and Middle river yesterday and got skunked again.Graphed a couple small schools but they are very tight lipped.Everyone I saw on the water said the same thing "zilch".Still grateful for having a great boat and time to fish.May have to fish for trout just to remember what it's like to catch a fish!

MT · Post by MT » Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:14 pm

Two words. Spotted Bass. They'll get you through any winter.

Papa T · Post by **Papa T** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:03 pm

Where's the nearest lake that has spots? I'm in the East Bay.

D-Man · Post by **D-Man** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:38 pm

Berryessa. Smallies, spots + largemouth.

CBoat · Post by **CBoat** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:44 pm

Papa T wrote:Where's the nearest lake that has spots? I'm in the East Bay.

Mcclure is probably the closest. But it can get tough in the winter. The good news about Mcclure is that there is trout to be caught too if the spots are off the bite.

CBoat

W.C · Post by **W.C** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:22 pm

Hey CBoat!! did'nt you just write a big a$$ post on how good the Striper bite was all over the Delta?? Ahh "Fishsniffer is on them"??? why don't you tell Papa T where they are all at.. heck let us all know, according to that post/artical, the striper are everywhere with large numbers being caught north,south,east and west of the Delta, just ready to jump in your boat!!! Cboat so did that artical come out of the FishSniffer?? What do you think is going on in the delta?? I still say it has to do with the bait dying off awhile back... it has too be.... any ways. McClure is'nt that much better . There was two tourney's there this weekend. 89 boats I think on Saturday. would you believe that the winning weight for a shared team was only 8.32??

Wow thats crazy!!! 89 boats out there and only 8.32 to win! it was'nt much better on sunday eithere... I'm thinking of just heading up to New Meloney tomorrow instead!!! does anyone know whats going on up there?? I have'nt been up at that lake for about 2 years

... anyway I guess I will find out huh!

CBoat · Post by **CBoat** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:12 pm

That article is from the Fish Sniffer. I didn't write it - it is here for your entertainment.

I wish I can give you all a report but I have been buried with business nad haven't fished. (Real Estate Sales/Mortgage Lending) Did I just slip in advertisement...??? It happens...

But anyhow, I have not been out to give you my report. But all your reports are scary for sure. I almost went out the other day but it was so cold, I couldn't take it that day so I worked instead.

I think I was getting sick.

It is hard to say what is happening but based on the past few years, I believe the population is very, very low. In fact I can't believe it stayed as good as it has been for this long. I Thought this would happen years ago. And with the population this low, you can't have hundreds of boaters in the Bay nailing 1000 adult stripers per day for 120 days then expect to have super great days in the Delta.

Apparently, stripers grow about .67 Millimeters per day in the bay region ( see link and make sure I am reading it right). When extrapolated to yearly and inches. This is just shy of 10 inches per year. In the past I thought it took 4 years to get a 20 inch striper. So this is good news as it could come back quickly. And these 10 inch fish were seeing, will be 20 inch fish next year. With a good rainy season and a good spawn, it could be back to the good old days in just 3 or 4 years.

In any case, do your part so we can have some action again. Throw everything back as it is crucial at this point. Remember these are the same fish eating those poisoned and dying shad. Why would you want to keep and eat these fish? There good for only one thing, smashing your top water plug and a kiss on the head as you take a picture before you release them and I am good with that!

Also, 1 888 DFG-CALTIP (888 334-2258), 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

I spoke with a Game Warden at Lauritzens earlier this year and he said get the CF number describe the boat and the fisherman and call it in. He said they will be on it. This guy was thirsty for blood so they are on our side. He acted like he wants to string'em up.

http://calwater.ca.gov/science/pdf/work ... _rates.pdf

This year I got into them almost every time I got out. Definitely half what it was last year but I still got em earlier this year. But your reports are dire for sure.

As soon as I get out and hit my normal haunts, I will report but for now it is just too cold. Brrrr!

CBoat

acm95301 · Post by **acm95301** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:41 am

"I spoke with a Game Warden at Lauritzens earlier this year and he said get the CF number describe the boat and the fisherman and call it in. He said they will be on it. This guy was thirsty for blood so they are on our side. He acted like he wants to string'em up. "

Are you talking about the guys in the 14' aluminum boats with the TM 's running all over the Delta?

Are they poaching somehow?

SLoGiN · Post by **SLoGiN** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:55 am

sea lions, party boats,politicians taking our water south, personally i cannot kill a fish that can survive all this....i use barbless hooks and i dont care if i lose one out of 50 that barbs help you catch...makes for a quick release....stripers don't jump so as long as you know how to fight fish and all you guys do....it's a no brainer ....and everytime you see any scumbag keeping baby fish or over their limit....call cal-tip....too bad it's legal for party boats like the happy hooker to just keep full limits for 80 guys or whatever but all you can do is what you think is right...only fish i keep have inhaled the spook, spook or lp all the way in and can't survive and that may be 2 a year....i don't take anyone fishing that wants to keep fish...they know going in thats how it is...i know a guy that has catch and release stickers all over his boat and truck but it seems like everytime we've fished theres some reason why he needs to keep some fish....its bs....it starts with each one of us...if you really believe in doing your part you'll take the steps needed...i belong to coastside fishing club...it costs 20 bucks a year....a bunch of retired guys go to all the state fishing things and lobby for us....i work so i can't do it....im glad they do...thing is when i post about catch and release on that site i get shot down...called a tree hugger....all this sh*t....to me this is the only source for truth...we all know how tough its been this year...in my experience ive seen more 5-7 inch fish than i have in 15 years so thats a positive and the other day out of big break i marked tons of fish just outside...maybe we will still get some good action before january...you guys give me hope that some people really care about these fish....good luck out there

Tin Can · Post by **Tin Can** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:12 pm

acm95301 wrote:
Are you talking about the guys in the 14' aluminum boats with the TM 's running all over the Delta?

Are they poaching somehow?

I have a 14' alumium with TM. I better start poaching I guess, to live up to the reputation of my boat.

acm95301 · Post by **acm95301** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:45 am

LOL..'

nO, seriously I saw at least 4-5 boat , basically identical...each with two "asian guys" and they were zipping all round....probably looking for boils...

I thought it seemed a bit coordinated. It looked like they were working...

I could easily be wrong, maybe thats just a common demographic

RichThiel · Post by **RichThiel** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:14 am

ACME,

Your right in your aboservation,,,They work together as a team, they use Cell-phone to keep in touch with whats going on...

They don't launch here at Russo's anymore like in the pass yrs, BECAUSE I scare the living **** out of them. Lets just say it cost them dearly if I catch them

Tires, M&M's in Gas tank, Walk around with an Iron. No they launch at BBreak or Laurantzians and Greg can catch them alot easier....He caught 8 in one night.

SLoGiN · Post by **SLoGiN** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:49 am

yeah they wont look at you either...been seeing them for years now...especially up around mildred...if you wave or try to aknowledge them in any way they turn away...i enjoy throwing a big wake on them whenever i can

SLoGiN · Post by **SLoGiN** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:00 pm

by the way....if people want to say we are racists or whatever....i hate them because they are poachers....not because they are asian....its really hard to catch them but i have ...and i called caltip and they got busted....once at mildred and once over near decker isl....so if you get lucky enough to see them do something illegal don't hesitate to call caltip....they almost always get away with things because they use their culture as the reason but time they spend in court is time they can't poach....so anyway

godshippy · Post by **godshippy** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:37 pm

Eh...I'm Asian and I don't think it was racist for you guys to say that because it's the bottom line truth. There's just so many Southeast Asian people out there poaching stripers and picking up illegal fish...and a plentiful amount at that! But then I also know a lot of white kids that go out and use 3-4 poles each and catch over a dozen dinks because a dozen dinks is about as much meat as a 10#er.

925_Angler · Post by **925_Angler** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:33 pm

RichThiel wrote: No they launch at BBreak or Laurantzians .

yep ... they will sit out there for hours, catch their limit , go back to the launch and go back out there for more ... usually got 3 or 4 individuals packed in a lil aluminum like sardines in a can

seen it a few times... maybe next time we'll do figure 8's around them till they leave

kwikfish · Post by **kwikfish** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:13 pm

925_Angler wrote:
RichThiel wrote: No they launch at BBreak or Laurantzians .

yep ... they will sit out there for hours, catch their limit , go back to the launch and go back out there for more ... usually got 3 or 4 individuals packed in a lil aluminum like sardines in a can

seen it a few times... maybe next time we'll do figure 8's around them till they leave

Boats on the rock piles in the bay the past few summers had their fair of 'double dippers'. At least the poachers had the decency to change clothes before heading back out on the same day.....

Cell phone communication has made is very easy for the 'drive by' poachers that quickly swing by Ocean Beach, pop the trunk for a supply of stripers, then head home. In the meantime, the guy that caught the fish keeps on fishing..... And, then there's the night fishing on the beaches.....

Looking the "other way" is not acceptable. Call Cal-Tip and hope for the best.

kwikfish · Post by **kwikfish** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:27 pm

godshippy wrote:Eh...I'm Asian and I don't think it was racist for you guys to say that because it's the bottom line truth. There's just so many Southeast Asian people out there poaching stripers and picking up illegal fish...and a plentiful amount at that! But then I also know a lot of white kids that go out and use 3-4 poles each and catch over a dozen dinks because a dozen dinks is about as much meat as a 10#er.

IMO, race and poaching today is a socio-economic dynamic.

Nevertheless, unless the DA or the Judges prosecute, not dismiss prior to a hearing, it's moot. Unfortunately, the DA and the Judges are forced to prioritize the docket, with fish and game violations being dismissed.

In a perfect CA, we would have a Fish and Game Court of Law like Trafic Court, Family Court, Small Claims, etc. Some states do have Fish and Game Courts of Law. It makes a big difference.

pb858 · Post by **pb858** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:33 pm

SLoGiN wrote:i enjoy throwing a big wake on them whenever i can

Not very smart to do in my opinion. Your putting peoples lives in danger. Calling caltip with there CF#'s is best. Don't forget they can also report you as well for your hostile actions.

RichThiel · Post by **RichThiel** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:06 pm

Discription that I noticed that the poacher own>

Toyoto four Runners, Toyota Pickups, or a Nissan Pickup...Nothing American Made.

Boat,,,usually a 14ft to 16ft aluminum....or a Old Old bassboat.

Engine....100% of the time it will be a Honda 9.9

Usually speak Viet,,has atleast 2 others with him,,,When approached None speak English....Guanteed one will be smok'in a cigarett...Chestfield Commercial style (Goes back 50yrs that commercial) and if you see a woman with them (momasan) she controls everything...them included.

An in COCO their is a courtroom for violators that break the F&G Codes.

SLoGiN · Post by **SLoGiN** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:35 pm

i throw wakes on them like those big stupid cabin cruisers throw on me...yeah im sure they'll report me with their bag of 10 inch stripers in hand

PETEY PETE · Post by **PETEY PETE** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:02 pm

I have a aluminum boat, I'm vietnamese but I don't poach!. You guys sound like your going to give hell to everyone you see out there thats Asian with a aluminum boat. I fish for bass and when the fall comes around I go for the linesiders. At times my bro would keep a fish or two yeah but in no way do we keep more then he can eat. All Im saying is make sure you know who you messin with cause Im not with that bs! I get Grilled all the time and I about had it!!

lrgmouth · Post by **lrgmouth** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:50 pm

I'm not saying poaching is not wrong, but you should be careful you dont mess with the wrong boat trying to capsize a boat and possibly kill someone to try to save a fish you could get a surprise. I dont think it was a serious threat. just let the law enforcement do their job and relax and have a good time fishing. just think about it we all break laws in one way or another speeding down the freeway to get to our favorite fishing spot is just one but you dont see anyone saying we should shoot all of the speeders because, think of how many people are killed by speeders each year!

smworker1 · Post by **smworker1** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:40 pm

A few years back I had the kids out trolling for salmon near Vierra's in my 15' alum boat, out of the corner of my eye a bank fisherman was reeling in a small striper but I didn't notice him throwin it back in
I watched him for awhile and when I saw him do it again I call caltip.
They ask fo the location and discription of scoflaw, and if I wanted a return call?
The warden called me to ask for more details since he couldnt find the guy, I lead him right down the bank and around the bushes to his location.
The warden later called me to say the guy (white color as me) had 28 under sized stripers and NO fishing licence.
I did this also last year to 3 people fishing near dutch slough but never heard back from the warden.
Follow the rules and I won't be calling about you.

SLoGiN · Post by **SLoGiN** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:43 am

good job sm....to be clear it's obvious who the poachers are...probably shouldnt have been so general just saying they are asians in aluminum boats..spending alot of time on the water its easy to see who they are...theres alot of russian poachers too...as far as throwing wakes....i always slow down when i come up on fishermen but i don't slow down for poachers...if some guy is having a quiet day fishing along a bank im not going to throw a big wake on him but ive seen these same poachers over and over and i know who they are.......not going to slow down to make their day good....anyway....its not about race its about poaching......i hate all people equally except fishermen

acm95301 · Post by **acm95301** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:13 pm

So the viloations you mostly see are using gamefish as bait, undersized fish kept, and too many fish kept...what other viloations have you seen?

WishinIwerFishin · Post by **WishinIwerFishin** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:41 am

acm95301 wrote:So the viloations you mostly see are using gamefish as bait, undersized fish kept, and too many fish kept...what other viloations have you seen?

Remember out in the delta you can use any "fin fish"(as described by the fish and game) except trout and salmon as bait as long as its legal size.

acm95301 · Post by **acm95301** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:24 am

Really?

I saw some guys using bluegill, and thought at the time that was a no-no.

I cant imagine using gamefish to catch stripper...Bass? Crappie?
So just trout and Salmon ..wow!

I pretty much just use lures, but I have used frozen shad.

fish_food · Post by **fish_food** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:48 am

acm95301 wrote:I cant imagine using gamefish to catch stripper...Bass? Crappie?
So just trout and Salmon ..wow!

Bluegill aren't classified as a"gamefish." At least not in California...

christopherjake · Post by **christopherjake** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:16 am

Striper fishing this fall has been non existent for me. Not sure if it's the water, environment or poachers, but I'm just looking forward to the summer bass fishing.

Tin Can · Post by **Tin Can** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:38 pm

fish_food wrote:
acm95301 wrote:I cant imagine using gamefish to catch stripper...Bass? Crappie?
So just trout and Salmon ..wow!
Bluegill aren't classified as a"gamefish." At least not in California...

What is the reason for it being illegal to use them as bait in any water other than the Delta?

WishinIwerFishin · Post by **WishinIwerFishin** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:34 pm

Tin Can wrote: What is the reason for it being illegal to use them as bait in any water other than the Delta?

Fish and Game rules.

4.10. Bait Fish Use in the Southern District.
Except as provided below, live or dead fin fish shall not be used or possessed for use as bait in the Southern District:
(a) Dead threadfin shad and live or dead longjaw mudsucker may be used in all Southern District waters.
(b) Live threadfin shad may be used only at the location where taken.
(c) Golden shiner and red shiner may be used in San Diego County.
4.15. Bait Fish Use in the Colorado River District.
Except as provided below, live or dead fin fish shall not be used or possessed for use as bait in the Colorado River District:
(1) Live or dead golden shiner, fathead minnow, red shiner, mosquitofish, longjaw mudsucker, threadfin shad, goldfish, sunfish, molly, and dead carp may be used in all Colorado River District waters.
(b) Live carp may be used only at the location where taken.
(c) Tilapia may be used in the Salton Sea, and may be taken for bait only within the area bounded by Highway 111 on the north and east and Highway 86 on the west and south (except as in subsection (d) below.
(d) Tilapia may be taken and used for bait in the Colorado River and its associated backwaters only within the area bounded by Palo Verde Diversion Dam south to the Morelos Dam.
NOTE: See subsection 4.05(b).
4.20. Bait Fish Use in the Valley and South Central Districts.
Except as provided below, live or dead fin fish shall not be used or possessed for use as bait in the Valley or South Central District:
(a) Live or dead golden shiner, fathead minnow, mosquitofish, longjaw mudsucker, and staghorn sculpin, and dead threadfin shad, Mississippi silverside and lamprey may be used in all Valley and South Central District waters except those listed in subsection (f) below.
(b) Red shiner may be used only in the Valley District north of Interstate 580 and Highway 132.
(c) Yellowfin gobies may be used in the Valley District only in those areas described in subsections (d)(1)-(3) below.
(d) In addition, except for trout and salmon, fin fish lawfully taken in the following waters by angling or with bait fish methods approved in Section 4.05 may be used only in the waters where taken:
(1) Carquinez Strait and Suisun Bay and their tributaries and saltwater tributaries.
(2) Sacramento River and tidewater of tributaries downstream from the Highway 32 bridge near Hamilton City, Feather River downstream from the Oroville Hatchery Fish Barrier Dam, Yuba River downstream from Daguerre Point Dam, and American River downstream from Nimbus Dam.
(3) San Joaquin River and tidewater of tributaries downstream from Interstate 5 bridge.
(e) Live threadfin shad, Mississippi silverside and lamprey may be used only at the location where taken.
(f) Fin fish may not be used in Keller Lake (Glenn Co.), Letts Lake (Colusa Co.), Merced Lake (San Francisco Co.), Upper and Lower Plaskett Meadow Ponds (Glenn Co.), Whale Rock Reservoir (San Luis Obispo Co.).
4.25. Bait Fish Use in the North Central District.
Except as provided below, live or dead fin fish shall not be used or possessed for use as bait in the North Central District:
(a) Golden shiner, fathead minnow, red shiner, mosquitofish, longjaw mudsucker and staghorn sculpin may be used in Napa and Sonoma counties, in Marin County except for Stafford Lake, in Lake County except for the Eel River and its tributaries, and in Lake Mendocino (Mendocino Co.).
(b) Live threadfin shad, Mississippi silverside and lamprey may be used only at the location where taken.
4.30. Bait Fish Use in the Sierra and North Coast Districts.
Except as provided below, live or dead fin fish shall not be used or possessed for use as bait in the Sierra and North Coast Districts.
(a) In Donner, Fallen Leaf and Tahoe lakes Lahontan redside, tui chub, Tahoe sucker, Lahontan speckled dace, mountain sucker and Paiute sculpin may be used only in the same lake where taken.
(b) In Shasta Lake only golden shiner, red shiner, fathead minnows, mosquitofish and threadfin shad may be used or possessed for use as bait.
(c) Crayfish shall not be used for bait in the Pit River and all tributaries between Pit 3 Dam (Lake Britton) and the Fall River-Cassel Road Bridge at Fall River Mills, California (includes Hat Creek and Fall River and their tributaries).

aNNieNsaLTIE · Post by **aNNieNsaLTIE** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:06 pm

...I am ASIAN and I drive a 2006 Limited Toyota 4runner.. Love that truck. It gots a nice v8.. I got a old boat, 1993 482v ranger, love that boat to...

...........Stereo type..... Horrible........

O yeah I got a old 1978 Monark w/ a 90hp merc.. I love that boat but it's only 16ft long....

I use to own a GMC but the gas and power not comparable..

Steven

fishwithron2 · Post by **fishwithron2** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:21 am

Hey saltie
Looks like you and I are toss in that stero type by Rich that if you drive a toyota and drive an alum or old bass boat you could be one of the poachers. I have an 1987 bass boat and drive a 4 runner so guess we're label. So far I have been fortunate catching toads as I released two 12# and one year I release one that went 13.02# ( two different scale) and my prtner was with me on those trips.

Riverdog13 · Post by **Riverdog13** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:08 am

Who cares everyone can be accused of stereotyping in one way or another.

Stop playing the victim....who gives a sh*t....

This forum is about fishing.

Merry Christmas

RichThiel · Post by **RichThiel** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:38 pm

Do I have too defend myself know? two weeks ago F&G caught 12 People working together, and this includes two resturants and one baitshop. ALL were caught sell'in Striper too the resturant.

Greg (local FG) catches atleast 10 a week with undersize fish, no license, over the limit etc.

If you abid by the laws, I have know problem in ANY race. If you want too jump all over me, go for it. I really can careless who in the hell you are. Im only trying to protect the fishery for whats left of it (Stripers). For the LM, its doing find, better than what it was in the 70's and 80's.

The OLD MAN

SacRtrain · Post by **SacRtrain** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:54 pm

If a few guys get bent from the profiling comments, who cares? Profiling is part of society and always will be. Right now Asians do the majority of the poaching. Period. And not all Asians are poachers. But until the stigma is changed about Asians and their questionable methods, there will be a sterotype. I also see Mexicans, (like me) who are poaching but not as nuch as the others. If the Asians stopped poaching, the Mexicans would turn into the bad guys. And thats how it should be. We should hold people accountable and maybe they will police their own.

If it looks like a poacher, and fishes like a poacher...

Jeff Jewell · Post by **Jeff Jewell** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:18 pm

No need to defend yourself Rich, You described the Poachers is all. Everyone (most) agrees with you

SLoGiN · Post by **SLoGiN** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:40 am

buy american

lrgmouth · Post by **lrgmouth** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:21 am

can you think of any 100% American products anymore?

Mike Kontes · Post by **Mike Kontes** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:12 pm

There are a couple of Toyota & BMW plants here in America! In fact, isn't Yamaha more American than Merc right know??

Largemouth, you bring up a GREAT point... is ANYTHING that is straight up american. In fact, i moved in to the home we are living in three years ago and a neighbor was teasing me about my toyota truck. I have owned a top of the line blazer and suburban and have not had a vehicle more reliable that my current toyota. Anyway, he is teasing me about my toyota and two years later he buys a Hyundai for his wife!

Be courteous to all, even the poachers, for you reap what you sow. If you splash them, you will get splashed!

925_Angler · Post by **925_Angler** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:23 pm

Mike Kontes wrote:
Be courteous to all, even the poachers, for you reap what you sow. If you splash them, you will get splashed!

i hope there's sarcasm there ....

poachers should be used for bait

whatever the race ...

sorry mike, i just done see how you could be courteous to someone who contributes to the decline of the delta ... fishing already "sucks" enough

Marty Gingras · Post by **Marty Gingras** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:03 pm

CBoat wrote:...[a]pparently, stripers grow about .67 Millimeters per day in the bay region (see link and make sure I am reading it right). When extrapolated to yearly and inches. This is just shy of 10 inches per year...

Hi all,

The formula cited in the document at the link is accurate only for young striped bass up to about 6 inches. You can go here to get an estimate of age at length for older striped bass.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/delta/stripedbass ... r_fish.asp

Thanks

Marty Gingras
Supervising Biologist (Fisheries)
California Department of Fish and Game
Bay Delta Region
4001 North Wilson Way
Stockton, California 95205

Phone (209) 948-3702
FAX (209) 946-6355
email mgingras@dfg.ca.gov

Mike Kontes · Post by **Mike Kontes** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:54 am

925,

I am a pastor by calling and though poachers have their issues, I have lived long enough to know, we all have our issues. This is to not excuse what the poachers do, for if the law is broken, there are/should be consequences.

Also, let me add that just because there are poachers, it does not justify any of us washing them out, cussing at them, or stereotyping them.

It is a sad commentary when someone does something to our stripers/largemouth, we go crazy. When someone does something to another human being, we look the other way, something is wrong with this picture. In fact, talked to someone a couple of weeks ago who believed it was okay to shoot the sea lions, because they eat our bass, this is a total joke.

Anyway, you thought I was being sarcastic and wanted to clarify. Do not appreciate poachers or those who try to swamp them! Do you part and call DFG and let it go, I think that is the best way to handle a tough situation.

Blessings to all,

MLK

RichThiel · Post by **RichThiel** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:20 am

Mike and the rest,

There is alot of time's (90%) that I call Greg or someone in FG....But being I was oversea's and I know somewhat of there culture....What upset me more is the fact that they bring it over here, thats fine....But, but they don't need to break the laws doing it, wether Asian, Russians, mexican's, or WHITE's. Like everyone else, go to the dam store and buy it.

Like I said in the prior post, They don't launch at Russo's anymore and know their confine to either BB or Laur where Greg and crew can nail them. In the last Couple of months, I have also seen where the CC Sheriff department is nail'in them also for Code Violations.

I have to laugh, when they say "I don't speak English", yet, they know exactly how far a dollar will go.

This is the last time I will make a post of this subject or maybe even in 2010.

Enjoy what is left of the Fishery, Im tired of fighting for it.

Richard Thiel

Mike Kontes · Post by **Mike Kontes** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:39 am

Rich,

My post was a reply to what 925 said. As for your reply to me (and others), no need to elaborate brother. Poaching is a bad thing, we all know that. Lying that you don't speak a language is also a bad thing.

My point is that those who know how to use the law as an advocate need to do so. I am not in favor of swamping or cussing at anyone, that was my point.

The only way the fishery will get better is if the state administrators choose to follow up on calls about poachers, chemicals being dumped, etc...

Thanks for your care about the fishery, I hope you are blessed for your efforts.

Mike

SacRtrain · Post by **SacRtrain** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:49 am

Iâ€™m with Rich and think this topic has been beat to death but I would like to add one last thing:
It's OUR delta and WE need to take care of it. Weather you confront the poaching S.O.B's or call DFG, do something. The time for observation and complaining has come and gone and now the only cure is action.

And MLK, You can choose to handle it your way and thatâ€™s great. But some of us are choosing to handle the situation different and sure donâ€™t need any "guidance" or to be talked down too. Thanks anyway.

Mike Kontes · Post by **Mike Kontes** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:59 am

Sactrain,

My post was to 925, not to you, but since this is America and a forum board, you have the right to agree with whom ever you want, that is the beauty of America.

As for my words, everyone was sharing their perspective and that is what I did also, once again, the beauty of America.

Lastly, you comment on my guidance, thanks for "GUIDING" me to not guide anyone, that is funny.

MLK

CBoat · Post by **CBoat** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:34 am

PETEY PETE wrote:I have a aluminum boat, I'm vietnamese but I don't poach!. You guys sound like your going to give hell to everyone you see out there thats Asian with a aluminum boat. I fish for bass and when the fall comes around I go for the linesiders. At times my bro would keep a fish or two yeah but in no way do we keep more then he can eat. All Im saying is make sure you know who you messin with cause Im not with that bs! I get Grilled all the time and I about had it!!

Yikes, all this controversy is deeply painful. I have been watching this thread for awhile and I have to speak up even though I am going to get a beating from you guys for posting this.

The reason why Peteypete is not happy about this post is that bringing up race brings on an ugly belittling feeling to the target race. It brings up feelings that I canâ€™t fully describe. If you have never been on the other side, I think it is very hard to understand fully (I know I didnâ€™t understand fully). I was fortunate enough that the Lord put me in a place where for the first time; I felt the indescribable pain of being hated for your race. I was hated because of the country I came from. I visited a country in Europe that treats my birth countries people like dirt and with vindictive hatred and frankly I was watching my back the whole time I was there and scared for my life. It was very frightening, belittling, hopeless, saddening and very, very painful to my soul. With all sincerity, I canâ€™t fully describe the pain of what I felt but I wouldnâ€™t wish these feelings I endured on anyone, EVER! I feel them still all these years later. Plus it made me hate and mistrust these people who hated me. The hate is gone but the mistrust is there still. And let me make it known that I donâ€™t think anyone hates anyone here on this forum but the minute you mention race, there is nothing you can say to the target party to change their mind about your comment. An apology will help but the mistrust will stay. So I donâ€™t care what the reasoning is or how the topic is dissected, there is just never a reason to mention race let alone taking unlawful action against any race. Even if you can prove that all poachers are of a particular persuasion, race should never be brought up. Even if you are innocently stating what you believe to be a fact, the race thing never is required to be brought up. I will tell you this; the target party is not stupid. They already know they are being stereotyped. Hence they are already inflamed with emotions of fear and hopelessness that turn into anger and sometimes rage the minute you bring up the race thing. All the target party perceives is hate and a superiority or "lording over", not the poaching issue. I am not innocent of making comments that have hurt people deeply but I quit naturally a long time ago because I personally felt the pain of what it does to the human soul. This is why Peteypete made his comments and I donâ€™t blame him one bit.

One thing everyone must admit, human beings have a hard time understanding another point of view up until the human steps into the shoes and feels the pain of those who are pleading with us to understand. Believe me this, Peteypete is pleading to be understood along with others who are quietly enduring and following this post.

And now you may shred me to pieces if you like but please have mercy on me as I mean well...

CBoat

Tarpon120 · Post by **Tarpon120** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:32 pm

Why does it have to be so complicated? All we need to do is get the immigrant poachers to go after sea lions and everybody wins.

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