Van Dam! Wow...

N.A.R · Post by **N.A.R** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:04 pm

Nuff said!

That dude is the man.....

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:11 pm

%$#%% STUD!! hard to beat A man at his best method of fishing!!!!

N.A.R · Post by **N.A.R** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:31 pm

I can't wait to watch it tonight.......

I want to see if Zona is in the boat with Van Dam and his family while he does his victory lap.....

Seriously who is more excited for KVD to win, SherryVanDam or Zona?

BuckSnort · Post by **BuckSnort** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:47 pm

What channel is covering this stuff?

ACRon · Post by **ACRon** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:00 pm

ESPN2

BuckSnort · Post by **BuckSnort** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:32 pm

ACRon wrote:ESPN2

Thanks

CN · Post by CN » Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:04 pm

The guy is one heck of a fisherman and it wouldnt suprise me if he wins a few more. One of the best this sport has seen I think.

492slayer · Post by **492slayer** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:45 pm

KVD pulled it off again. How about that last fish of his that was snagged in the back? Pretty ballsy to out that one in the livewell IMO

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:52 pm

The Guy is a machine ! Man Jeff was due though.

kb · Post by kb » Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:59 pm

Ballsy?????
NO not at all and please don't even get that $@^! started. That was a legal catch on a reaction bait. He was not sight fishing he was throwing a lipless crankbait. They do not have to be hooked on the inside of the mouth UNLESS they are sight fish and then they have to be verified by your Marshall or camera crew.

He made a point that is why he changes to the hooks he uses and when a fish swipes at that bait he gets hooked.

KVD is a class guy and a perfect ambassador for this sport. BASS AOY and Bassmasters Classic in same year making it 5 AOY's and 3 Classics. The Ballsy move is the other 99 guys that pay to compete against the guy.

Legal catch, weighable fish period

kb

492slayer · Post by **492slayer** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:07 pm

I wasn't trying to get that argument going, but hooked in the back is a bit different than near the mouth. I'll agree that the fish was more likely than not swiping at the bait, but it wasn't even in the head. I'd hate to see someone question the catch and see a DQ happen when a guy is dominating like that... Not trying to knock his performance.

kb · Post by kb » Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:55 pm

The rules don't say they have to be so many inches from the mouth. If it was hooked in the tail it would be a legal catch period....unless you are fishing under the crazy rules from CA that were adopted for Salmon not bass and then they are not enforced unless you are fishing a sight fishing technique and looking at the fish.

There was another fish that he had hooked and while playing them he said "Oh good I got another hook in him". That is the nature of treble hooked baits.

There would be no reason for a DQ he did nothing wrong and he was fully aware of it the entire time. IMO you would have thrown back the Bassmasters Classic winning fish, pissed away $500,000 and all the endorsement money........good thing it was KVD

kb

Micropterus salmoides · Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:34 pm

KVD definitely is a machine. I feel for Jeff Kriet though. When KVD's weight was announced you know it hit him hard, especially the way he walked off stage.

When KVD caught that one hooked in the back I knew it was legal because he wasn't sight fishing, but it reminded me of Steve Kennedy having to release those monster fish when fishing a swimbait. Technically he could see some fish, but not all, but he was using a reaction lure, not sight (bed) fishing in the traditional sense. I wonder what the difference was or if CA has special rules.

Overall, it was exciting, but not like last year. That was intense. The third day's coverage was better than the second. Most of that coverage was Sanders and Zona talking and not much fishing.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:18 pm

I myself questioned the catch, but if it broke the rules they woulda made KVD toss it back!

KVD!!! what a stud...

5 AOYs, and 3 Classics WOW! Theres no question hes the best IMO....

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:16 am

KB,
What amazes me is that he managed to win without falling in!

tunaman · Post by **tunaman** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:02 am

The rule you folks are referring to is in the CA DFG Sportfishing Regulations - not a National rule.

Roger

Tin Can · Post by **Tin Can** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:23 am

tunaman wrote:The rule you folks are referring to is in the CA DFG Sportfishing Regulations - not a National rule.

Roger

Exactly. Only in Ca. does a fish always have to be hooked inside the mouth.

davet. · Post by **davet.** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:24 am

The rules don't say they have to be so many inches from the mouth. If it was hooked in the tail it would be a legal catch period....unless you are fishing under the crazy rules from CA that were adopted for Salmon not bass and then they are not enforced unless you are fishing a sight fishing technique and looking at the fish.

That thought crossed my mind too when I saw Ike bring one in backwards, but as soon as he tossed it in the LW, I knew it had to be legal.

Bassin · Post by **Bassin** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:27 am

Great article in the latest BassMaster Mag on KVD. With out a dout he is amazing. Very cool to have had the opertunity to speak with him at the Bass-a-thon...But, as said in the article he has yet to out due others that came before him...Martin, Clunn, to name a few....If he keeps up the way he has been going he will be the greatest ever in this sport....

YouHateIt · Post by **YouHateIt** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:25 pm

kb wrote:There would be no reason for a DQ he did nothing wrong and he was fully aware of it the entire time. IMO you would have thrown back the Bassmasters Classic winning fish, pissed away $500,000 and all the endorsement money........good thing it was KVD

kb

why the attitude with this guy kb? He just didn't understand the rule. Maybe I'll start pointing out everytime you sound like an idiot on your radio show... Believe That!

Ernst · Post by **Ernst** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:28 pm

YouHateIt wrote:
kb wrote:There would be no reason for a DQ he did nothing wrong and he was fully aware of it the entire time. IMO you would have thrown back the Bassmasters Classic winning fish, pissed away $500,000 and all the endorsement money........good thing it was KVD

kb
why the attitude with this guy kb? He just didn't understand the rule. Maybe I'll start pointing out everytime you sound like an idiot on your radio show... Believe That!

do you have that much time on your hands ?

kb · Post by kb » Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:49 pm

Because Randy Mcabee has had to fight that on several times and I didn't want this KVD weighed an illegal fish at the Classic and won crap started when these guys don't understand the rules. That kind of shadow doesn't need to be cast on his Classic victory by guys that really don't understand how the rules work. He didn't question the rule he questioned KVD being ballsey by putting it in the livewell. He could have asked how it works and it would have been explained but saying it was ballsey and he would't do it he was pretty sure KVD had pushed the rule book when he didn't.

Yea Mike Watson (You Hate It) that would be great if you could do that. The phone number to the studio is 1 800 920-1140. Glad to know you are out there listening often enough to know when I sound like an idiot....

I was pretty sure it was every Saturday....Better yet you can do a segment on the show sometime in the near future and point it out to everyone. Thanks for the offer to help out.

kb

YouHateIt · Post by **YouHateIt** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:12 pm

No worries KB, the good thing about me is, I'll call you an idiot to your face. And it's Michael Watson... Get it straight

swordfish · Post by **swordfish** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:17 pm

California has the rule which makes no sense except when sight fishing how many fish swipe or close mouth baits when crankin ect.. It's a legal catch in my book and when no cameras or during team tourneys I doubt many anglers will release a foul hooked fish if you dont score that fish somebody will beat you cause they did. It all started in the courts with stream fish, salmon, steelhead as long it's not intentional snagging its a fair catch... get a clue and Kennedy almost got shafted by that rule luckily he won he deserved it after releasing TOADS

kb · Post by kb » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:54 pm

Yea no problem Michael tell them I told you that you can cut the line so you don't have to wait. Oh and I found your name on an archive post of yours that you signed Mike........thought I had it straight, glad you straightened us both out......

no worries dude! hell say hi next time our paths cross....

kb

swordfish · Post by **swordfish** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:26 pm

My main nerves been struck, Ya know it's been struck..Tower of Power...

492slayer · Post by **492slayer** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:40 pm

Kb, my mention of KVD being ballsy was from the perspective of believing that the fish was definately hooked in the back (no where near the head), so as to say that the fish may have been snagged. I've caught hundreds of fish over the years on crankbaits where the rear or front hooks ended up in the top of the head or under the mouth. I'm not stupid to think that this doesn't happen. I also have snagged fish in the back with blades in the tules as well. The suggestion that it's ok when using one fishing method over another is a joke as well. (It might be BASS rules) So if I "see the fish", I have to throw it back, but if I didn't it's good to go? I know for fact that there are a handful of states that define it as an illegal method of take. Alabama also has a rule (220-2-.115) that had this fish been "caught" in the Tennessee River drainage, it would have indeed been an illegally caught fish. Don't be so quick to make me out as an ***. You might not like the fact that it was directed toward KVD, and you don't want to get another thread going, but how about stating some concrete facts to educate rather than berate here on the boards?...

kb · Post by kb » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:20 am

Ok here it is! Every time there is a tournament televised with a crankbait/lipless/ripbait bite somebody will have one of these fish and every time somebody thinks they are the only ones that watched a ESPN2 or Versus broadcast that saw it. That is why I was quick to jump to KVD's defense on here when you said that it was a ballsey move and in your opinion you wouldn't have put it in the livewell.

I am sorry if I have offended you or hurt your feelings but the problem is guys jump on here and make those statements prior to knowing what the real deal is or what the rules really are. They are quick to jump to a conclusion and IF you would have asked for a clarification of the BASS Rules on that it would have been answered but you didn't.

I know for a fact that Randy McAbee has had this same problem on this webpage and he has gone to great efforts to clarify this including going to the Fish and Game and FLW Tournament officials just to clear it up for the anglers that watched it on TV.

There is no boundry line on the fish where the hook has to be and everyone has had those fish and weighed them in, I know I have. The reference point everyone is going back to is the BASS Event on Clear Lake where Steve Kennedy released those fish, but he still won. That rule was put into the California Fish and Game Code to stop the snagging of migrating Salmon in our rivers when the guys wpould line up and drift beads and hook and hook the salmon on the outside of the mouth.

We have all had the jig fish hooked in the jaw, the drop shot or darthead fish hooked on the outside of the face, or even down the body and we all say he tried to eat it, I am sure they did.

I just found it wrong to say that while winning his 3rd Bassmasters Classic KVD pulled a ballsey move that you wouldn't do. Hope you can see my points as well.

I did get a new friend Michael that is going to help out the Ultimate Bass Listeners by pointing out when I sound like an idiot however so we all gained something by this post.

Now quit fretting and go tie on a lipless crankbait, point your rig West and go to Clear Lake and hook a big one in the mouth, head or side.

kb

JustinD · Post by **JustinD** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:23 am

I thought a heavy weight and exposed treble hook ripped on braid were acceptable fishing techniques.....

Xbass365 · Post by **Xbass365** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:24 am

Hey girls!!
The bite is getting good right now. Get out your Hello Kitty poles,and go catch some!! You sound like my 3 daughters in the morning when they dont get enough sleep!!

492slayer · Post by **492slayer** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:13 am

Hey guys, it's all good... hell if you can't get a good argument going between fishermen once in a while, you might as well call it quits

j10b · Post by **j10b** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:50 am

That fish MUST be PISSED. It had already got caught in the mouth a million times then it gets caught in the BACk TOO!

Seeing most of the top 10 was fishing in a Release Area. You would think a STUD like KVD and all those guys could find some other fish than those ones.

Tin Can · Post by **Tin Can** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:04 am

j10b wrote:That fish MUST be PISSED. It had already got caught in the mouth a million times then it gets caught in the BACk TOO!

Seeing most of the top 10 was fishing in a Release Area. You would think a STUD like KVD and all those guys could find some other fish than those ones.

He found the winning fish, why fish somewhere else? Seems like he made the right call to me.

j10b · Post by **j10b** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:25 am

Tin Can wrote:
j10b wrote:That fish MUST be PISSED. It had already got caught in the mouth a million times then it gets caught in the BACk TOO!

Seeing most of the top 10 was fishing in a Release Area. You would think a STUD like KVD and all those guys could find some other fish than those ones.
He found the winning fish, why fish somewhere else? Seems like he made the right call to me.

kinda takes the whole STUD aurora away when he is fishing the only area even I KNOW is good to fish. For a STUD he could only find fish that without his #1 boat number he wouldnt have got too.
Yeah Skeet didnt make the cut but at least he fished the areas he found.

Did he win? Sure, Stud HELL NO. Played the game right, used his boat number to get to the #1 spot on lay lake people release fish.

I wonder how he would have done if it was off limits like most of the other catch and Release areas are at all the BASS Tournaments I have been too. Last year at the Classic the Catch and Release were off limits too.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:31 am

KB dont even waste your time, sounds like a "HATER" to me, KVD broke no rules he won that tourney straight up he and Jeff battled it out till the very end and the best man WON!

You gonna have KVD on the show any time in the near future?

That would make for an awsome show

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:34 am

Only during the Spawn Justin

and the fish must be LOCKED on the bed! LMAO

Tin Can · Post by **Tin Can** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:44 am

j10b wrote:
Tin Can wrote:
j10b wrote:That fish MUST be PISSED. It had already got caught in the mouth a million times then it gets caught in the BACk TOO!

Seeing most of the top 10 was fishing in a Release Area. You would think a STUD like KVD and all those guys could find some other fish than those ones.
He found the winning fish, why fish somewhere else? Seems like he made the right call to me.
kinda takes the whole STUD aurora away when he is fishing the only area even I KNOW is good to fish. For a STUD he could only find fish that without his #1 boat number he wouldnt have got too.
Yeah Skeet didnt make the cut but at least he fished the areas he found.

Did he win? Sure, Stud HELL NO. Played the game right, used his boat number to get to the #1 spot on lay lake people release fish.

I wonder how he would have done if it was off limits like most of the other catch and Release areas are at all the BASS Tournaments I have been too. Last year at the Classic the Catch and Release were off limits too.

guaranteed, 500K on the line, you'd be in there too. You do what you have to to win, winning is the goal. Studlyness doesn't pay the bills.

I'm not trying to argue, your opinion is as valid as any other.

kb · Post by kb » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:02 pm

Talked to KVD this morning Dom and the 30 minute interview will be on this Saturday Morning. He is pretty stoked and looking forward to coming out to California in the next few weeks.

kb

Rich hamilton · Post by **Rich hamilton** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:25 pm

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:45 pm

Right on! I'll tune in

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:58 pm

I gotta agree with JoeW...

You do whatever it takes to win when moneys on the line, within the rules of course. Fishing tourneys you gotta do your homework, and part of that homework is obviously figuring out where the fish are. Take franks tract for instance, everybody knows that all them good tourney fish get dumped back into the water at Russo's. Its been a money maker for people for years because of this. ( Franks has sucked the last few years!)

If your fishing tourneys, and not fishing prime spots then why bother?

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