What a fine, fine, day this is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsV2O4fCgjkOur Great President wrote: In the unlikely story that is America, there has been never been anything false about HOPE.
YES WE CAN!
Change we can believe in!
Change we can believe in!
Congratulations to OUR GREAT PRESIDENT for another truly remarkable VICTORY.
What a fine, fine, day this is!
What a fine, fine, day this is!
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What are you talking about - We do not have a great President. 
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On the contrary... he has been successful where so many others have failed. Presidents such as Roosevelt, Truman, Nixon, Kennedy, and Clinton all strived to enact many of these same policies but failed to do so. This will quite possibly go down in history as the most sweeping act of social reform since the Civil Rights Act and the passage of Medicare. Both of which, by the way, also happened to be passed by a Democratic congress despite pressure from bigots and greedy corporations. Sound familiar?Byron wrote:What are you talking about - We do not have a great President.
YES WE CAN!
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I loathe you and your President.Jeff C. wrote:Congratulations to OUR GREAT PRESIDENT for another truly remarkable VICTORY.
What a fine, fine, day this is!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsV2O4fCgjkOur Great President wrote: In the unlikely story that is America, there has been never been anything false about HOPE.
YES WE CAN!
Re: Change we can believe in!
If by successful you mean in dividing the country in half and being completely out of touch with everyone but his inner circle then he ranks right up there with the great success of W doesn't he?
If by successful you mean bullying undecided members of congress to vote his way that also sounds like W's tactics.
If by successful you mean driving America ever further towards it's inevitable financial collapse (something even Presidents such as Roosevelt, Truman, Nixon, Kennedy, and Clinton had better sense than to take this far) then once again he has only W to compare to.
Funny how the atrocities of the last administration always become the standard operating procedures of the next.
If by successful you mean bullying undecided members of congress to vote his way that also sounds like W's tactics.
If by successful you mean driving America ever further towards it's inevitable financial collapse (something even Presidents such as Roosevelt, Truman, Nixon, Kennedy, and Clinton had better sense than to take this far) then once again he has only W to compare to.
Funny how the atrocities of the last administration always become the standard operating procedures of the next.
The great non sequitur committed by defenders of the State, including classical Aristotelian and Thomist philosophers, is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State.
Re: Change we can believe in!
I think we can all admit our healthcare is in serious trouble, this bill will in fact will start to unravel the twisted insurers and the way they decide who gets what. If your between jobs you shouldn't be uninsured. Do you all realize that we basically provide healthcare for non-americans and americans will no money already. Marty i hope you never get sick or have to change jobs or for that matter have never had a serious health problem because you would never be accepted by any insurer. Most people i know over forty would not ever be able to buy their own insurance. Go Obama! four more years in the bag!
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Wonder why all the insurance stocks took off today? Maybe because they got ten million new customers and can still pass on any expenses to the premium payers. Those great democratic social reforms have literally bankrupted our country with medicare and social security so hope you supporters are either old or poor because IMO you are facing tax rates of 50% in the next few years. No such thing as a free lunch as the other countries with free healthcare figured out. England just raised their tax rate to 52%. Kool Aid is expensive.
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Swank said he would pay our taxes for us and kick us each an annual payment to make up for the reduced purchasing power of our dollars as they inflate them into worthless paper buy printing and spending new money to hide the true costs of the new programs.
On the plus side, I hear there will be several thousand new job opportunities in the IRS.
On the plus side, I hear there will be several thousand new job opportunities in the IRS.
The great non sequitur committed by defenders of the State, including classical Aristotelian and Thomist philosophers, is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State.
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Such morons. Such stupid, misguided liberal fools.
Social Security has been run so well. What a stellar government program.
Medicare, another AWESOME example of a well run government program.
You are a complete an utter IDIOT if you think this latest fiasco is good for America. Our federal government has repeatedly shown how inept it is at running anything - anyone who garners any comfort whatsoever from this is an IDIOT - plain and simple.
It will be overturned soon enough either by the courts or the next administration - for sure.
Worst president ever with the worse congress ever - I guess it's no real surprise we get the worst bill ever passed.
Social Security has been run so well. What a stellar government program.
Medicare, another AWESOME example of a well run government program.
You are a complete an utter IDIOT if you think this latest fiasco is good for America. Our federal government has repeatedly shown how inept it is at running anything - anyone who garners any comfort whatsoever from this is an IDIOT - plain and simple.
It will be overturned soon enough either by the courts or the next administration - for sure.
Worst president ever with the worse congress ever - I guess it's no real surprise we get the worst bill ever passed.
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Such fools.....
While the subsidies don't start until 2014, many of the new taxes and insurance mandates will take effect within six months. The first result will be turmoil in the insurance industry, as small insurers in particular find it impossible to make money under the new rules. A wave of consolidation is likely, and so are higher premiums as insurers absorb the cost of new benefits and the mandate to take all comers.
Liberals will try to blame insurers once again, but the public shouldn't be fooled. WellPoint, Aetna and the rest are from now on going to be public utilities, essentially creatures of Congress and the Health and Human Services Department. When prices rise and quality and choice suffer, the fault will lie with ObamaCare.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 48208.html
While the subsidies don't start until 2014, many of the new taxes and insurance mandates will take effect within six months. The first result will be turmoil in the insurance industry, as small insurers in particular find it impossible to make money under the new rules. A wave of consolidation is likely, and so are higher premiums as insurers absorb the cost of new benefits and the mandate to take all comers.
Liberals will try to blame insurers once again, but the public shouldn't be fooled. WellPoint, Aetna and the rest are from now on going to be public utilities, essentially creatures of Congress and the Health and Human Services Department. When prices rise and quality and choice suffer, the fault will lie with ObamaCare.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 48208.html
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And guess what idiots - your taxes just went up.
Largest tax increase on the working class ever.
Deficit neutral?
LOL
Every American is now going to pay more and get less !!!!!
Fools.
Largest tax increase on the working class ever.
Deficit neutral?
LOL
Every American is now going to pay more and get less !!!!!
Fools.
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“Mr. Speaker and my colleagues, I rise tonight with a sad and heavy heart. Today, we should be standing together, reflecting on a year of bipartisanship, and working to answer our country’s call and their challenge to address the rising costs of health insurance in our country. Today, this body, this institution, enshrined in the first article of the Constitution by our Founding Fathers as a sign of the importance they placed on this House, should be looking with pride on this legislation and our work.
“But it is not so. No, today we’re standing here looking at a health care bill that no one in this body believes is satisfactory. Today we stand here amidst the wreckage of what was once the respect and honor that this House was held in by our fellow citizens.
“And we all know why it is so. We have failed to listen to America. And we have failed to reflect the will of our constituents. And when we fail to reflect that will – we fail ourselves and we fail our country.“Look at this bill. Ask yourself: do you really believe that if you like the health plan that you have, that you can keep it? No, you can’t. In this economy, with this unemployment, with our desperate need for jobs and economic growth, is this really the time to raise taxes, to create bureaucracies, and burden every job creator in our land? The answer is no. Can you go home and tell your senior citizens that these cuts in Medicare will not limit their access to doctors or further weaken the program instead of strengthening it? No, you cannot. Can you go home and tell your constituents with confidence that this bill respects the sanctity of all human life, and that it won’t allow for taxpayer funding of abortion for the first time in 30 years? No, you cannot.
“And look at how this bill was written. Can you say it was done openly, with transparency and accountability? Without backroom deals, and struck behind closed doors, hidden from the people? Hell no, you can’t! Have you read the bill? Have you read the reconciliation bill? Have you read the manager’s amendment? Hell no, you haven’t!“Mr. Speaker, in a few minutes, we will cast some of the most consequential votes that any of us will ever cast in this chamber. The decision we make will affect every man, woman and child in this nation for generations to come. If we’re going to vote to defy the will of the American people, then we ought to have the courage to stand before them and announce our votes, one at a time. I sent a letter to the Speaker this week asking that the ‘call of the roll’ be ordered for this vote. Madame Speaker, I ask you. Will you, in the interest of this institution, grant my request? Will you, Mr. Speaker, grant my request that we have a call of the roll? Mr. Speaker, will you grant my request that we have a call of the roll?
“My colleagues, this is the People’s House. When we came here, we each swore an oath to uphold and abide by the Constitution as representatives of the people. But the process here is broken. The institution is broken.
“And as a result, this bill is not what the American people need, nor what our constituents want. Americans are out there are making sacrifices and struggling to build a better future for their kids. And over the last year as the damn-the-torpedoes outline of this legislation became more clear, millions lifted their voices, and many for the first time, asking us to slow down, not try to cram through more than the system could handle. Not to spend money that we didn’t have. In this time of recession, they wanted us to focus on jobs, not more spending, not more government, certainly not more taxes.
“But what they see today frightens them. They’re frightened because they don’t know what comes next. They’re disgusted, because they see one political party closing out the other from what should be a national solution. And they are angry. They are angry that no matter how they engage in this debate, this body moves forward against their will.
“Shame on us. Shame on this body. Shame on each and every one of you who substitutes your will and your desires above those of your fellow countrymen.
“Around this chamber, looking upon us are the lawgivers – from Moses, to Gaius, to Blackstone, to Thomas Jefferson. By our actions today, we disgrace their values. We break the ties of history in this chamber. We break our trust with Americans.
“When I handed the Speaker the gavel in 2007, I said: “this is the people’s House – and the moment a majority forgets this, it starts writing itself a ticket to minority status. If we pass this bill, there will be no turning back. It will be the last straw for the American people. And In a democracy, you can only ignore the will of the people for so long and get away with it. And if we defy the will of our fellow citizens and pass this bill, we are going to be held to account by those who have placed us in their trust. We will have shattered those bonds of trust.
“I beg you. I beg each and every one of you on both sides of the aisle: Do not further strike at the heart of this country and this institution with arrogance, for surely you will not strike with impunity. I ask each of you to vow never to let this happen again – this process, this defiance of our citizens. It is not too late to begin to restore the bonds of trust with our Nation and return comity to this institution.
“And so, join me. Join me in voting against this bill, so that we may come together anew, and address this challenge of health care in a manner that brings credit to this body, and brings credit to the ideals of this nation, and most importantly, it reflects the will our people.â€
“But it is not so. No, today we’re standing here looking at a health care bill that no one in this body believes is satisfactory. Today we stand here amidst the wreckage of what was once the respect and honor that this House was held in by our fellow citizens.
“And we all know why it is so. We have failed to listen to America. And we have failed to reflect the will of our constituents. And when we fail to reflect that will – we fail ourselves and we fail our country.“Look at this bill. Ask yourself: do you really believe that if you like the health plan that you have, that you can keep it? No, you can’t. In this economy, with this unemployment, with our desperate need for jobs and economic growth, is this really the time to raise taxes, to create bureaucracies, and burden every job creator in our land? The answer is no. Can you go home and tell your senior citizens that these cuts in Medicare will not limit their access to doctors or further weaken the program instead of strengthening it? No, you cannot. Can you go home and tell your constituents with confidence that this bill respects the sanctity of all human life, and that it won’t allow for taxpayer funding of abortion for the first time in 30 years? No, you cannot.
“And look at how this bill was written. Can you say it was done openly, with transparency and accountability? Without backroom deals, and struck behind closed doors, hidden from the people? Hell no, you can’t! Have you read the bill? Have you read the reconciliation bill? Have you read the manager’s amendment? Hell no, you haven’t!“Mr. Speaker, in a few minutes, we will cast some of the most consequential votes that any of us will ever cast in this chamber. The decision we make will affect every man, woman and child in this nation for generations to come. If we’re going to vote to defy the will of the American people, then we ought to have the courage to stand before them and announce our votes, one at a time. I sent a letter to the Speaker this week asking that the ‘call of the roll’ be ordered for this vote. Madame Speaker, I ask you. Will you, in the interest of this institution, grant my request? Will you, Mr. Speaker, grant my request that we have a call of the roll? Mr. Speaker, will you grant my request that we have a call of the roll?
“My colleagues, this is the People’s House. When we came here, we each swore an oath to uphold and abide by the Constitution as representatives of the people. But the process here is broken. The institution is broken.
“And as a result, this bill is not what the American people need, nor what our constituents want. Americans are out there are making sacrifices and struggling to build a better future for their kids. And over the last year as the damn-the-torpedoes outline of this legislation became more clear, millions lifted their voices, and many for the first time, asking us to slow down, not try to cram through more than the system could handle. Not to spend money that we didn’t have. In this time of recession, they wanted us to focus on jobs, not more spending, not more government, certainly not more taxes.
“But what they see today frightens them. They’re frightened because they don’t know what comes next. They’re disgusted, because they see one political party closing out the other from what should be a national solution. And they are angry. They are angry that no matter how they engage in this debate, this body moves forward against their will.
“Shame on us. Shame on this body. Shame on each and every one of you who substitutes your will and your desires above those of your fellow countrymen.
“Around this chamber, looking upon us are the lawgivers – from Moses, to Gaius, to Blackstone, to Thomas Jefferson. By our actions today, we disgrace their values. We break the ties of history in this chamber. We break our trust with Americans.
“When I handed the Speaker the gavel in 2007, I said: “this is the people’s House – and the moment a majority forgets this, it starts writing itself a ticket to minority status. If we pass this bill, there will be no turning back. It will be the last straw for the American people. And In a democracy, you can only ignore the will of the people for so long and get away with it. And if we defy the will of our fellow citizens and pass this bill, we are going to be held to account by those who have placed us in their trust. We will have shattered those bonds of trust.
“I beg you. I beg each and every one of you on both sides of the aisle: Do not further strike at the heart of this country and this institution with arrogance, for surely you will not strike with impunity. I ask each of you to vow never to let this happen again – this process, this defiance of our citizens. It is not too late to begin to restore the bonds of trust with our Nation and return comity to this institution.
“And so, join me. Join me in voting against this bill, so that we may come together anew, and address this challenge of health care in a manner that brings credit to this body, and brings credit to the ideals of this nation, and most importantly, it reflects the will our people.â€
Kurt
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Re: Change we can believe in!
Hopefully we will get even in November 
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What is this gonna do for me? I work and have Kaiser, through my employer. Is this gonna make my Kaiser more affordable? I doubt it. Is this gonna make the pharmaceutical companies charge less for thier products? I doubt it. Is this gonna make it easier for me to see a doctor? I doubt it. Is this gonna make it so that Kaiser has to be more competitive? NO. Does this in any way help the guy next door, who lost his job, and cant afford health insurance right now? I doubt it, in fact it makes his life harder, by telling him he HAS to buy it, or face stiff fines via the tax code. So, what again, does this 2700 page, monstrosity, do? Who does this benefit? BTW, if its so good, why are we waiting four years to inact it? Yet, I'm gonna start paying on it this year. Sorta like buying a car, paying on the loan for four years, and having to wait for it to be built? It was an emergency to pass it, why is it not an emergency to inact it? Because, they keep saying everyday, how its gonna benefit me, the average working schmuck. However, I am apparently just too stupid to see it, because I cant. I cant see how its gonna help me, or my aforementioned neighbor.However, I can see how its gonna benefit the politicians, since they will still have their top notch, gold plated healthcare, paid for by me.......all the while they will be given a little more power over me, and my life. I can see that it will increase the power of the IRS, and its role in our government. I can also see that it guarantees that there will be years more of litigation, bickering, arguing, and bull crap. I can see the layers more.....2700 pages worth, of government that will be created......extra departments, people, lawyers, beauracracies.....all paid for by me, and my neighbor. I can see that this has even further driven a wedge, between those on the right, and those on the left....further dividing, an already divided country.....something Mr. Obama, campaigned that his change would fix. I can see alot of stuff here, but, I just cant seem to see how this is going to fix healthcare, or any other problem facing myself, or my neighbor in life.
my racing is a sickness, my fishiing is a passion, thank god my wife likes both!!
Re: Change we can believe in!
It helps big pharma by preventing reimportation of drugs from Canada and suppressing the use of generics for 12 years. It helps the health insurance industry by forcing 10 million healthy young workers to buy their product. Both industries wrote the bill knowing the democrats were going to demonize them to get it passed. Bend over and grab your ankles because the very businesses you hated are going to drive you home. They were right in the thick of it and the real answer is it will hurt most working class people in quality of care, availablity of doctors and in their wallets. No free lunch here.
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Why the average liberal can't see that the Democrats are every bit as much, if not more pro big business in the real world effects of their polices (verses the official lies told to sell them) as the Republicans I can't fathom.
I guess the schools are really that good at brainwashing as all of the liberals fancy themselves so highly educated. They could use a little horse sense and maybe a few tries a guessing where the pea is in a little three card monte.
Maybe its the warm feeling they get knowing that the poor are living better by consuming the middle class without THEIR having to give till it hurts. Suckers.
I guess the schools are really that good at brainwashing as all of the liberals fancy themselves so highly educated. They could use a little horse sense and maybe a few tries a guessing where the pea is in a little three card monte.
Maybe its the warm feeling they get knowing that the poor are living better by consuming the middle class without THEIR having to give till it hurts. Suckers.
The great non sequitur committed by defenders of the State, including classical Aristotelian and Thomist philosophers, is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State.
Re: Change we can believe in!
OK, now I see how this is going to save money.
The great non sequitur committed by defenders of the State, including classical Aristotelian and Thomist philosophers, is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State.
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Da comrade Jeffscov, it is a fine, fine, day.........if you're a communist! Soon you will control the means of production and give us only what we need. Does the "C" stand for communist?Jeff C. wrote:Congratulations to OUR GREAT PRESIDENT for another truly remarkable VICTORY.
What a fine, fine, day this is!
Morality- Right and wrong determined by God's laws.
Re: Change we can believe in!
Probably not directly for a while.
As much as they like to spout Keynesian-ism they learned a lesson from the Soviet experiment. Mises demonstrated that you can't centrally plan an economy. Entrepreneurial profit and loss are absolutely necessary as a feedback mechanism to regulate the proper allocation of resources.
The Soviets and Cubans proved it. The Chinese would have if they hadn't allowed a market to operate.
No sir, our govts masters know that fascism with a shot of socialism is the best bet for maintaining long term control. Control the PEOPLE with sh1t like this bill and what will come next but allow some semblance of a market, a horribly hampered market but a market to exist or the starvation that would manifest would provoke violent rebellion.
As long as we have enough to eat and an iphone we will bleat along harmlessly.
Unfortunately for them though, Mises also came to the conclusion that interventionism was unstable, as in some will bring more and so on until you eventually arrive at total socialism--which can't work. How long is the question.
As much as they like to spout Keynesian-ism they learned a lesson from the Soviet experiment. Mises demonstrated that you can't centrally plan an economy. Entrepreneurial profit and loss are absolutely necessary as a feedback mechanism to regulate the proper allocation of resources.
The Soviets and Cubans proved it. The Chinese would have if they hadn't allowed a market to operate.
No sir, our govts masters know that fascism with a shot of socialism is the best bet for maintaining long term control. Control the PEOPLE with sh1t like this bill and what will come next but allow some semblance of a market, a horribly hampered market but a market to exist or the starvation that would manifest would provoke violent rebellion.
As long as we have enough to eat and an iphone we will bleat along harmlessly.
Unfortunately for them though, Mises also came to the conclusion that interventionism was unstable, as in some will bring more and so on until you eventually arrive at total socialism--which can't work. How long is the question.
The great non sequitur committed by defenders of the State, including classical Aristotelian and Thomist philosophers, is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State.
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Re: Change we can believe in!
Like the republicans are going to do a better job in 2012 or after the nov elections. YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET A GRIP RUNNING SCARED THAT WHAT THERE DOING TO YOU PUTTING THE FEAR INTO YOU AND YOUR BUYING IT YOU BETTER COME UP WITH SOMEBODY THAT WILL STANDUP IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT CAN RUN IN 2012 OR IT WILL BE OBAMA AGAIN. SO FAR THE REPUBLICANS DONT HAVE ANYBODY.
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Re: Change we can believe in!
oduma agian.Now that's funny 
Repubilicans do not need anybody special to beat oduma he beat himself.
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Ok well see how much republicans well be able to chance the country but 2012 aint here yet now is it. Run scared till then Why worry about it huh.
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OO believe me I am not worried.November will be the begaining of whats going to happen.
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Laughing My skinny @ss off !
Who said we are scared, don’t you the difference between scared and mad as hell? Don’t worry about the Republicans they are hanging together and even have a few Democrats are joining them as seen by Sunday vote!
The only bipartisanship in Sunday’s vote was 177 (R) and 37 (D) voting together to say “NOâ€
Who said we are scared, don’t you the difference between scared and mad as hell? Don’t worry about the Republicans they are hanging together and even have a few Democrats are joining them as seen by Sunday vote!
The only bipartisanship in Sunday’s vote was 177 (R) and 37 (D) voting together to say “NOâ€
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"The trouble with quotes on the Internet, is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Abraham Lincoln
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2012 is right around the corner mad ???? who is mad what the hell for this same **** been going on for the last 75 years do you think its going to change in 2012 with a vote for republican do you think in 2012 this country will be back on its feet over night. you better hope that who ever is holding are debt on this country dont call us on it some how i dont think there going too forgive what we owe. Dont blame the government dont blame the last 3 presidents blame yourself for losing your homes and your jobs and destroying your credit remember you made the loans nobody twisted your arms our held a gun too your head too sign for them. so before blaming the very people you voted into office in the first place you should be mad at yourself greed cause this countrys problems not the government or the current president.
mad ???? who is mad what the hell for this same **** been going on for the last 75 years do you think its going to change in 2012 with a vote for republican do you think in 2012 this country will be back on its feet over night. you better hope that who ever is holding are debt on this country dont call us on it some how i dont think there going too forgive what we owe. Dont blame the government dont blame the last 3 presidents blame yourself for losing your homes and your jobs and destroying your credit remember you made the loans nobody twisted your arms our held a gun too your head too sign for them. so before blaming the very people you voted into office in the first place you should be mad at yourself greed cause this countrys problems not the government or the current president.-
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Like Hell I'm Going To Let Some Black President Help Me Pay For Dialysis
By Dan Laird
November 24, 2009
I take pride in who I am. Always have, always will. I've worked hard my whole life and have never taken anyone's charity, and I'm not about to start now, no matter what. I'm telling you, there's no way I'm going to sit back and let some black president of the United States try to devise a structure to help me pay for the dialysis treatment I so desperately need to survive.
Not over my dead body.
Just who does this Afro-American occupant of the highest office in the land think he is, anyway? Look, I've got nothing against black people, but some of them act like the whole world owes them something. For example, important government subsidies on my dialysis.
You know, I don't recall asking for some black commander in chief to embrace protections that would prohibit insurance companies from dropping my coverage on a whim and operating as if my continued existence on earth were nothing more than a strategic liability. Plus, if I go along with this progressive health-benefits scheme, he'll probably hold it over my head every time I receive vital care with the aid of the government to which I already pay taxes.
Sorry. I've got too much self-respect for that.
Obama needs to know that there's still one American willing to watch his body drown in its own deadly internal toxins rather than have long-overdue reform crammed down his throat.
Fact is, nobody wants some too-big-for-his-britches black president butting in to suggest that everyone, including me, needs to be treated with dignity. Yet this Obama thinks he can just waltz in and and tinker with a health care system that destroys people like myself every single day.
Can you imagine what'd it be like if he weren't just half black?
Seriously, when Obama's done drumming up support for legislation that might allow me to see my daughter graduate from college and prevent me from dying before my 50th birthday, what's next on the agenda? Will he try to keep my life's savings from evaporating in a stock market that operates free of serious governmental oversight? Is there any aspect of capitalism run amok that this guy won't tamper with? Really, Obama, thanks but no thanks. The last person I need help from is some black leader of the federal government in a position to perhaps improve my quality of life. The worst part is that I'll have to put up with this guy being a black president for at least three more years. I guess all I can do is try to hold out for the 2012 election. Maybe then we'll get a white president back in office. Maybe he'll have the common decency to let me suffer in peace.
By Dan Laird
November 24, 2009
I take pride in who I am. Always have, always will. I've worked hard my whole life and have never taken anyone's charity, and I'm not about to start now, no matter what. I'm telling you, there's no way I'm going to sit back and let some black president of the United States try to devise a structure to help me pay for the dialysis treatment I so desperately need to survive.
Not over my dead body.
Just who does this Afro-American occupant of the highest office in the land think he is, anyway? Look, I've got nothing against black people, but some of them act like the whole world owes them something. For example, important government subsidies on my dialysis.
You know, I don't recall asking for some black commander in chief to embrace protections that would prohibit insurance companies from dropping my coverage on a whim and operating as if my continued existence on earth were nothing more than a strategic liability. Plus, if I go along with this progressive health-benefits scheme, he'll probably hold it over my head every time I receive vital care with the aid of the government to which I already pay taxes.
Sorry. I've got too much self-respect for that.
Obama needs to know that there's still one American willing to watch his body drown in its own deadly internal toxins rather than have long-overdue reform crammed down his throat.
Fact is, nobody wants some too-big-for-his-britches black president butting in to suggest that everyone, including me, needs to be treated with dignity. Yet this Obama thinks he can just waltz in and and tinker with a health care system that destroys people like myself every single day.
Can you imagine what'd it be like if he weren't just half black?
Seriously, when Obama's done drumming up support for legislation that might allow me to see my daughter graduate from college and prevent me from dying before my 50th birthday, what's next on the agenda? Will he try to keep my life's savings from evaporating in a stock market that operates free of serious governmental oversight? Is there any aspect of capitalism run amok that this guy won't tamper with? Really, Obama, thanks but no thanks. The last person I need help from is some black leader of the federal government in a position to perhaps improve my quality of life. The worst part is that I'll have to put up with this guy being a black president for at least three more years. I guess all I can do is try to hold out for the 2012 election. Maybe then we'll get a white president back in office. Maybe he'll have the common decency to let me suffer in peace.
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Re: Change we can believe in!
We all know there are morons like that in the R party. There are morons in D party too. I can't excuse blatant racism (but then again it isn't my place to anyone what to believe either) but there is nothing wrong with holding self reliance and personal responsibility as a high standard.
There IS something wrong with not being able to see that you can't promise everyone everything and expect not to be breaking some of those promises later. That's every bit as moronic as dumb racism.
There IS something wrong with not being able to see that you can't promise everyone everything and expect not to be breaking some of those promises later. That's every bit as moronic as dumb racism.
The great non sequitur committed by defenders of the State, including classical Aristotelian and Thomist philosophers, is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State.
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Re: Change we can believe in!
Ok the bill is fixed now mr. president please sign it so they will STFU GEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Re: Change we can believe in!
How can anyone believe something a Liberal says? Just look at what Greg said about posting here!
Then comes on and post an article of a person that states he has to go through dialysis treatment, a real tear jerker that is written to make you feel so bad that you don’t support Obamacare. And to top it off wants you to feel like a raciest because the one that pushed and strong arm the passing of the bill happens to be black. “O Pleaseâ€Greg_Cornish wrote:I'll give it to you straight and truthful. I got bored here. I check in occasionally. I see there's 8 new posts. This had my name so I read it. I'm not really a political junky like you guys.
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I took it as a hypothetical, Marty.
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You sure did not portray it as such – you posted it looking to call attention that anyone that does not support Obamanation as a raciest and that Conservative are curl and don’t care about others. Shame on you Greg!Greg_Cornish wrote:I took it as a hypothetical, Marty.
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Re: Change we can believe in!
Take a break from your b-i-t-c-h-i-n-g and watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dr2ZB36p9Y
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Re: Change we can believe in!
I see it this way, since my insurance will at least double in the next three years. Expenses will have to be cut, there is no way I or many others can afford 1600 a month for medical coverage. Persons such as myself will be forced to drop our medical to pay for some Else's. The feds will dip into this money just like they have SSI. This is a serious loss for most of us.
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We'll see. What will you do if all the gloom and doom doesn't happen? Join the democrats? If your right, I'll join you.
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I pay $1083.00 a month for my familys health insurance and im not crying any tears that insurance just payed my wife $186,000.00 major neck surgery and payed for my daughters badly broken leg she received when she was at school. The same insurance help me through 12 surgery ive had since 1985 when i had a very bad industrial accident back in 1984. so if you get obama care you better take it because Blue Shield of ca. YOU WONT BE ABLE TO AFFORD SO QUIT BI&#HING AND TAKE YOUR HAND OUT
Blue shield of ca been my insurance company since 1983 and ill still be glad to make the payments im making i sleep good at night knowing i have that insurance.
Blue shield of ca been my insurance company since 1983 and ill still be glad to make the payments im making i sleep good at night knowing i have that insurance.
Re: Change we can believe in!
Once again, if the artificially high costs of medical service were addressed at the front end (what is causing the scarcity of resources that ALWAYS drives prices up), and then insurance companies only insured against catastrophic situations (instead of every sniffle or prostate check, I threw that in for Marty 
) then we would not even be having this debate.
) then we would not even be having this debate.The great non sequitur committed by defenders of the State, including classical Aristotelian and Thomist philosophers, is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State.
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who said i want to change its going to change rather you or anybody else likes it or not The obamacare bill is a done deal it will be sign into law tuesday weather we like it or not there no stoping it who give a rats a$$ if 13 states threaten too sue there no merit too what there doing. LAW IS LAW it wont be over turned period.
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How old are you? My wife is 63, has no pre-existing conditions, never made a claim and pays $420 per month - soon about $600 if they have their way.jigfish1 wrote:Blue shield of ca been my insurance company since 1983 and ill still be glad to make the payments im making i sleep good at night knowing i have that insurance.
They dropped my buddy as soon as he found he had multiple scleroses.
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Don't worry, I'd just join the sane ones in your group.Rod Martin wrote:jigfish1 if you're happy with what you have, why do you want to change it for everyone else?
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54 and my wife myself 2 sons and my daughter are on the plan its really not that big of deal to pay the coverage we have im happy with it besides it has save me a ton of money in the long run. im up for a knee replacement soon and at the cost at of aroud $64,000 dollars ill be glad to make a $1000.00 payment save me from using my visa or mastercard
Re: Change we can believe in!
Here's a couple of good videos of Judge Napalitono, a man who knows a lot more about the Constitution and the law than any of us I dare say.who said i want to change its going to change rather you or anybody else likes it or not The obamacare bill is a done deal it will be sign into law tuesday weather we like it or not there no stoping it who give a rats a$$ if 13 states threaten too sue there no merit too what there doing. LAW IS LAW it wont be over turned period.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/a ... 54597.html
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Re: Change we can believe in!
If you lived in Lake county you'd pay more. That's one thing wrong with the system. When we moved to lake county our insurance bill increased 50% because we moved. WTF? Did we suddenly become unhealthy because we moved?
You can't get Kaiser if you live in Lake County. If you lived in Lake County and had Kaiser before this took effect and you move across the street, you lose Kaiser. Watch how fast your insurance climbs after you turn 58. It skyrockets.
My wife pays $400+ per month as I said and she could only get it that low because she has $5000 deductible.
The Republicans say they'll repeal it but history tells us that is very difficult to do. I really wouldn't mind if they repealed it if they really put something in its place that lowered health costs, but they won't. They are dead set against reform. All the nice little suggestions they made during this process will disappear if they take power and you know it. It was all for show.
Insurance companies are nothing but thieves. Here's an example. We were paying $474 for Homeowner's insurance for 3 years until we had a $10,000 kitchen fire. For the next 10 years, our rates increased to $1,100 a year bringing them an extra $6,250 lowering their loss to $3750. Suddenly our rates dropped back down to $475 a month. So I pay $475 per month to get a $6,250 loan if I have a fire?
You can't get Kaiser if you live in Lake County. If you lived in Lake County and had Kaiser before this took effect and you move across the street, you lose Kaiser. Watch how fast your insurance climbs after you turn 58. It skyrockets.
My wife pays $400+ per month as I said and she could only get it that low because she has $5000 deductible.
The Republicans say they'll repeal it but history tells us that is very difficult to do. I really wouldn't mind if they repealed it if they really put something in its place that lowered health costs, but they won't. They are dead set against reform. All the nice little suggestions they made during this process will disappear if they take power and you know it. It was all for show.
Insurance companies are nothing but thieves. Here's an example. We were paying $474 for Homeowner's insurance for 3 years until we had a $10,000 kitchen fire. For the next 10 years, our rates increased to $1,100 a year bringing them an extra $6,250 lowering their loss to $3750. Suddenly our rates dropped back down to $475 a month. So I pay $475 per month to get a $6,250 loan if I have a fire?
"The trouble with quotes on the Internet, is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Abraham Lincoln
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