FLW Mead Numbers?

[Hollywood]

Does anyone know the total number of boaters entered so far for Mead?

those are highly guarded numbers, but my guess is we will have less than 120 boats

[GKramer]

Lake Mead is a wannabe tournament site. Either guys wannabe there, or they wannabe back safe on their home waters. As a tour event with the same incentives as every other stop on the NG circuit, this one will have the highest percentage of serious competitors. When they release the list, it will be quite apparent who the hobbyists are.

In any event, there will likely be no BASS or FLW in due time if the anglers are that "site-sensitive." The West has proven professional fishing is just not a priority among a large enough body of individuals to make it work.

But hey, the same can probably be said for the number of professional jai alai players in California. It's who we are.

gk

www.kramergonefishing.com

[bigbass111]

I agree 100%.....

[clayton meyer]

MAYBE THEY SHOULD CUT THE FIELD TO 100 BOATS AND MAKE IT A TRUE PROFFESIONAL FIELD. INCREASE THE ENTRY TO 3K THATS 300K... SAME AS 150 @ 2K BUT BETTER THAN 90 @ 2K. AND NOT SO TOUGH AS 4K BUT STILL PAYS 50 PLACES

YOU SIGN UP ON TIME AND WE INCLUDE TEXAS AND IF YOU DON'T STAY IN THE TOP 75 YOU MIGHT GET BUMPED BY A QUALIFYING ANGLER FROM ANOTHER DIVISION


I'LL SEND THIS TO CHRIS

[Hollywood]

MAYBE THEY SHOULD CUT THE FIELD TO 100 BOATS AND MAKE IT A TRUE PROFFESIONAL FIELD. INCREASE THE ENTRY TO 3K THATS 300K... SAME AS 150 @ 2K BUT BETTER THAN 90 @ 2K. AND NOT SO TOUGH AS 4K BUT STILL PAYS 50 PLACES

YOU SIGN UP ON TIME AND WE INCLUDE TEXAS AND IF YOU DON'T STAY IN THE TOP 75 YOU MIGHT GET BUMPED BY A QUALIFYING ANGLER FROM ANOTHER DIVISION


I'LL SEND THIS TO CHRIS

Great idea! Make it 4k and only take 100 guys, you can pay back 8k to 50th!

[clayton meyer]

flw used to put in 200k... they could put in 165k ad that only to the top 10... 11-50 get 8k top ten looks like this


1- 75k
2- 50k
3- 25k
4- 20k
5- 15k
6- 14k
7- 13k
8- 12k
9- 11k
10- 10k

flw doesn't need 200 guys do they? You only film with the top ten... now the top five. the whole television show doesn't show everyone every show.

[Robert F]

flw doesn't need 200 guys do they?

FLW may not but National Guard does. FLW sent a lot of guys away by lowering the payback. Anybody that didn't cash at Shasta is thinking hard about the fact they need to cash the next three to break even. !0k checks make up the deficit real quick.

[j10b]

What kills me is Vegas is Cheap. You can stay at Sams town, Fiesta Station, Boulder station for fairly cheap. Yeah you are 20 min away but quit whining.
Thank GOD I will be out of the "show me" region in a few months. Everyone wonders why all the western pros move east. Its because YOU GUYS want everything on a silver platter. The whole field is NOT going to get a 10k payout. So no matter HOW you slice it either 40-100 guys are not getting a check EVERY tournament.

The only other solution is to lower the entry and lower the payback like the BASS OPENS. You all want a huge payback to 75th place. And a little tiny entry fee. Not gonna happen. You aren't going to be able to fish part time and get paid FULL TIME WAGES. Why is that SO hard to grasp????

So keep driving tours out of the west. I am sure all those tournament trails will fold and give in. You know, finally see your side drop their entry fee, take out a HUGE loan to give you the cash payout to the FULL field


I mean no one wants to have to sell a BOAT!! That is SO offensive. Gary Dobyns must be so pOed he has won 40 boats. $#@$#@ look at all the WORK he had to do to sell them?

Again the problem out west is guys want Full-time Salary in winnings, but they want to fish part time. They dont want to sell a boat they get for winning ( which helps pay out the rest of the field) they want the tournament trail do to ALL the work while all they do is show up fish for a week and leave with the $$$$ to support them for the rest of the year or in some cases a couple of seasons.

This entitlement mentality is the issue. Sorry guys, you want to fish part time? You get a part time wage. You want to fish your local hole? Sorry its a trail, you dont get to pick. You want payouts all they way down the field? Get your check book out. Don't want to waste your time selling a boat? Then dont whine about a payout. Don't Whine about having to travel when ONE year FLW spreads all the venues out, then the next they make them closer....but you dont Like the lake they pick. WAAAAAAAAAAAAA
its sickening how so many of you guys think the tour is supposed to be built for YOU. Great but there are 150 boats, and 150 boaters, that all want the same thing, and they are spread ALL over the west.


GOOD luck, If I was FLW I would tell you guys CYA!! and open up the Texas Fishing Trail again and cater to people that understand how it works instead of a bunch of guys that all want what they think they are entitled too. Of course they don't care there are 149 guys just like them.


Get pi$$ed at me. I dont give a rats @$$. All I hear and read is how every tour is doing it wrong. The boat numbers prove it. Again, YOU AREN'T ENTITLED TO ANYTHING!! GET OVER IT

[macinckirk]

What kills me is Vegas is Cheap. You can stay at Sams town, Fiesta Station, Boulder station for fairly cheap. Yeah you are 20 min away but quit whining.
Thank GOD I will be out of the "show me" region in a few months. Everyone wonders why all the western pros move east. Its because YOU GUYS want everything on a silver platter. The whole field is NOT going to get a 10k payout. So no matter HOW you slice it either 40-100 guys are not getting a check EVERY tournament.

The only other solution is to lower the entry and lower the payback like the BASS OPENS. You all want a huge payback to 75th place. And a little tiny entry fee. Not gonna happen. You aren't going to be able to fish part time and get paid FULL TIME WAGES. Why is that SO hard to grasp????

So keep driving tours out of the west. I am sure all those tournament trails will fold and give in. You know, finally see your side drop their entry fee, take out a HUGE loan to give you the cash payout to the FULL field


I mean no one wants to have to sell a BOAT!! That is SO offensive. Gary Dobyns must be so pOed he has won 40 boats. $#@$#@ look at all the WORK he had to do to sell them?

Again the problem out west is guys want Full-time Salary in winnings, but they want to fish part time. They dont want to sell a boat they get for winning ( which helps pay out the rest of the field) they want the tournament trail do to ALL the work while all they do is show up fish for a week and leave with the $$$$ to support them for the rest of the year or in some cases a couple of seasons.

This entitlement mentality is the issue. Sorry guys, you want to fish part time? You get a part time wage. You want to fish your local hole? Sorry its a trail, you dont get to pick. You want payouts all they way down the field? Get your check book out. Don't want to waste your time selling a boat? Then dont whine about a payout. Don't Whine about having to travel when ONE year FLW spreads all the venues out, then the next they make them closer....but you dont Like the lake they pick. WAAAAAAAAAAAAA
its sickening how so many of you guys think the tour is supposed to be built for YOU. Great but there are 150 boats, and 150 boaters, that all want the same thing, and they are spread ALL over the west.


GOOD luck, If I was FLW I would tell you guys CYA!! and open up the Texas Fishing Trail again and cater to people that understand how it works instead of a bunch of guys that all want what they think they are entitled too. Of course they don't care there are 149 guys just like them.


Get pi$$ed at me. I dont give a rats @$$. All I hear and read is how every tour is doing it wrong. The boat numbers prove it. Again, YOU AREN'T ENTITLED TO ANYTHING!! GET OVER IT

wow someone else that thinks like me

[clayton meyer]

Robert

I guess I need an explaination why a 200 man field is better than 100

As for the other post.

I think 100 guys can afford to fish all four year after year and if that adjustment would be made by the tournaments it might be better for everyone involved. The fields would be full and all the sceptics and critics wouldnt have anything to say. Until such time as the demand for more room exists. I don't care about field size except too small but would like to eliminate the "locals" that don't want to fish all the tournaments. I do agree that people shouldn't complain if they don't want to fish all of them. It is supposed to be a sport/job and that means work and sacrifice

[Robert F]

Robert

I guess I need an explaination why a 200 man field is better than 100

As for the other post.

I think 100 guys can afford to fish all four year after year and if that adjustment would be made by the tournaments it might be better for everyone involved. The fields would be full and all the sceptics and critics wouldn't have anything to say. Until such time as the demand for more room exists. I don't care about field size except too small but would like to eliminate the "locals" that don't want to fish all the tournaments. I do agree that people shouldn't complain if they don't want to fish all of them. It is supposed to be a sport/job and that means work and sacrifice

Clayton,
National Guard's participation is based on exposure to anglers as well as exposure to the audience. 100 anglers is not their target.

As far as Jon's post, the problem may be that West Coast anglers just have a higher level of intelligence and can figure out when they are playing a losing game. It takes a 10K check to balance your expenses in this sport. Look at the Elites and the Tour. The bottom check is 10K for a reason. If you want consistent participation from all areas of the region you have to make it worth the Delta Rat's while to drive to Mead and take a beating.

Also FLW reduced the number of Cup qualifiers to a number that does not encourage full tour participation. That may be fine if the cherrypickers would show up to fill the field but that is not happening. If you want to look for somebody to blame for the Mead field not filling you might want to look at your local fishing buddies. They are the ones that are dropping the ball by not putting up the 2K. Is your entry in?

[clayton meyer]

signed up for all four in advance... isn't that what you are supposed to do?

full field is just a term so does it really matter as long as we can afford it and make some $$ to go with it since it is a job and source of income for many of us

why is it a losing game if it pays better than any other circuit out here?

as for qualifiers what do the other circuits have to offer as a championship that even comes close to the FLW championship

what more incentive do people need.. best payback incentive, best championship incentive, yet people keep complaining.

If it is too expensive for a person, everyone understands that but what else about it is there, can't catch fish on your own and need the back seater? Is that what people really don't like about it (sarcasm)

[Andrew Jackson]

j10B - EXACTLY * POST THIS FOR ALL THE GIRLY FISHERMEN (and I use that "men" term loosely) TO SEE*

[clayton meyer]

who let you in here andy


what did your post mean... don't tell bryan

oh and about mead fishermen signing up

I think only about 10 people live

[Andrew Jackson]

Gotta chime in once in awhile. You make some great points about the amount of entries and paybacks which coincides with the GIRLYMEN statement. Most the guys that bark on here want the tampon to be their brand and absorbtion level.....Remember when we would have to fish Mead, Mohave and Havasu in a TEAM tournament trail and it drew 70 to 100 boats. Winning an event and AOY REALLY meant something (not belittleing todays 20 to 30 boat fields). Remember when Ed Legan wore a Tuxedo at the tournemant because there were over 100 boats in the field....

[bigbass111]

What kills me is Vegas is Cheap. You can stay at Sams town, Fiesta Station, Boulder station for fairly cheap. Yeah you are 20 min away but quit whining.
Thank GOD I will be out of the "show me" region in a few months. Everyone wonders why all the western pros move east. Its because YOU GUYS want everything on a silver platter. The whole field is NOT going to get a 10k payout. So no matter HOW you slice it either 40-100 guys are not getting a check EVERY tournament.

The only other solution is to lower the entry and lower the payback like the BASS OPENS. You all want a huge payback to 75th place. And a little tiny entry fee. Not gonna happen. You aren't going to be able to fish part time and get paid FULL TIME WAGES. Why is that SO hard to grasp????

So keep driving tours out of the west. I am sure all those tournament trails will fold and give in. You know, finally see your side drop their entry fee, take out a HUGE loan to give you the cash payout to the FULL field


I mean no one wants to have to sell a BOAT!! That is SO offensive. Gary Dobyns must be so pOed he has won 40 boats. $#@$#@ look at all the WORK he had to do to sell them?

Again the problem out west is guys want Full-time Salary in winnings, but they want to fish part time. They dont want to sell a boat they get for winning ( which helps pay out the rest of the field) they want the tournament trail do to ALL the work while all they do is show up fish for a week and leave with the $$$$ to support them for the rest of the year or in some cases a couple of seasons.

This entitlement mentality is the issue. Sorry guys, you want to fish part time? You get a part time wage. You want to fish your local hole? Sorry its a trail, you dont get to pick. You want payouts all they way down the field? Get your check book out. Don't want to waste your time selling a boat? Then dont whine about a payout. Don't Whine about having to travel when ONE year FLW spreads all the venues out, then the next they make them closer....but you dont Like the lake they pick. WAAAAAAAAAAAAA
its sickening how so many of you guys think the tour is supposed to be built for YOU. Great but there are 150 boats, and 150 boaters, that all want the same thing, and they are spread ALL over the west.


GOOD luck, If I was FLW I would tell you guys CYA!! and open up the Texas Fishing Trail again and cater to people that understand how it works instead of a bunch of guys that all want what they think they are entitled too. Of course they don't care there are 149 guys just like them.


Get pi$$ed at me. I dont give a rats @$$. All I hear and read is how every tour is doing it wrong. The boat numbers prove it. Again, YOU AREN'T ENTITLED TO ANYTHING!! GET OVER IT

wow someone else that thinks like me

I agree 100%.... Robert, why do you think we are smarter...Looks like to me the East has 31 flavors..and we have 301 whiners...

[Robert F]

why is it a losing game if it pays better than any other circuit out here?

Why is there a record number of west guys back east on Tour and the Westerns can't fill? Because you need a 10K check to justify.

As far as 110 boat team tournaments, how many guys were coming from Washington State like the guys that fished the Mead Guard in '08? The ten guys left in Vegas are all being counted on to fill the field.

As far as your question Hanold, you are a Floridian now. You left so you are not allowed to call yourself "one of us" That is why you and Brown can't figure out the problem.

[clayton meyer]

robert

if the flw series pays better than an other circuit out west.. and by paying better i mean that they 'pay better' than any other circuit... why would you fish something else? cost too much for a particular person, but that has to do with the quality of the fisherman. if a fisherman is the best he wants the highest payback percentage and that is what these tours offer. What it is coming down to is there aren't 100 professional anglers living on the west coast that want to fish or back to what I said years ago can afford to get into it. Once you are in and you are a winner you have the $$$ until you can't win. Myself I cut back because I took my $$$ and bought a big house... thats what I wanted to do. Now I will work at it again until I win again then expand as others have done.

if there is a circuit out here that has a higher percentage payback... more money paid out than taken in etc than FLW I would like to hear about it. as of yet I haven't seen or even heard of one that comes close yet, so why pay $500 and not have much chance to win back gas money, when you could change your life

those guys going back east didn't quit the west they expanded and most still fish the west, but if they are good enough, with enough luck and skill they will fish for a higher percentage... even on tour there are those that donate

Go Roy!!!

[Ricky-S]

I have been trying to cut back on these posts but I'll jump in and give my 2 cents. First, you cannot believe everything that you read on the internet.....A lot of it is opinion.

Two, the West has drawn just as many boats in FLW/BASS as in other parts of the country. Look back on the last year that BASS was out West and compare the numbers to the other regions that year. The FLW tour this week drew around 140 boats which is what the west had at Shasta.

I for one DO NOT like fishing Lake Mead and I live down South. I would much rather fish a BASS or FLW season that had all of the events up North or one or two in Texas. The local guys in the South don't fish the events and that's why the numbers suffer. The only exception is Havasu. Those locals support the bigger events.

There are enough anglers in the West to support BASS and FLW IF the events are on the right lakes that HAVE the anglers to fill the event.

I agree with Clayton, I could care less who put on the tournament as long as the event is well run and the payback makes since. Right now, that looks to be FLW and Angler's Choice.

The other thing is not every pro Angler from the West has move East. The last I checked, Most of the Western guys still live on the West Side. Skeet, Ish, Ehrler, Murray, Rojas, and several others want no part of that Southern living and lack of diversity. I've been back there and there are only about 3-4 places that I would even think about living. We pay a premium price to live here for a reason....

In a perfect world I would love to fish FLW and BASS. I am thinking very hard about just fishing the FLW Tour next year or the BASS Centrals to avoid the lower payout events.

It's not only about money-its about time and a well run event. In the end, the Anglers will decide which orgs survive. That is basic supply and demand.

I'll see all the other die hards at Mead.
PS-I hope I don't break something

[Greg H]

Lets just face it Mead just is not popular with the Anglers. That being said if you want to be a professional angler you just go fish where they have the events. You have to have the belief in your skills as an angler to compete anywhere at anytime!

[Paul Cormany]

To the money point, the FLW Series has an option pool for those that want a chance at a bigger check. Internet anglers = all talk and no walk. I'll see the real anglers at Mead. I look forward to seeing guys like Clayton and Ricky every chance I get.

[Robert F]

Internet anglers = all talk and no walk.

One tournament each year for the past three years. Guess you don't see your pals too often.

[clayton meyer]

I'm not sure but I think paul made a big career change and moved to pheonix and is working at Cabelas... is this correct?

I don't think his opinion or comments should be criticized because he has fished less lately. I didn't fish the last tournament of one year and the entire year following due to personal and business requirements and I actually make money at this sport/business/bottomless pit :)

Facts are facts, more anglers should travel a little further and spend a little more to gain much more. I know how often my buddies fish teams and pro/ams. everything except the entry fee is the same, but the payback is much better...if you are a good fisherman.

It's all about $$$ so how could anyone complain about the circuits that pay the best.

In 02.... this is going back... I finished 2nd at rayburn... 40k? drove all night and finished 13 at the western classic zero k.. thats what I am used to... not trying to slam won but I stopped fishing those because of a 65% payback and went to bassmaster then the strens...

didn't we jsut have this conversation last year?

I'm going fishing :)