cutting you off

lcates · Post by **lcates** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:28 pm

i have noticed more of this and would like to know what you guys would do.I was fishing a bank with 1 other boat on the other side of the cove when this boat came in and went 30 yards or so off my bow.Is this normal for you or was he wrong.What i did then was cruise right by him and get back in front of him and continued fishing so was i wrong in doing that i would never cut in front of another boat like that.

Team Pollard · Post by **Team Pollard** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:26 pm

My rule is if you can hit them with a spook, there to close....

davet. · Post by **davet.** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:51 pm

You were totally in the right. Although I've inadvertantly cut people off because I underestimated their speed and before you know it, they're right behind ya. I will always back off in a situation like this.
Although, I've been idling up to an obvious point or cove and have some "A" hole speed up ahead and come off plane right in front of me and take the spot. In this situation I'll fire up the big motor, do a couple of doughnuts over the spot and take off.
I'm not a real "your water", "my water" kinda guy, I don't mind giving up a spot to polite people at all.

hippie · Post by **hippie** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:54 pm

Hit them with a spook! That sounds racist

jimmy87 · Post by **jimmy87** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:00 pm

I would never start in front of a boat working a bank.
In some very rare cases I have asked the boat if I may fish in front of them if I really wanted that particular spot.

most of the time I go fish another area and come back after they are finished with it.

If you ask to fish in front of me rather than just taking the bank I almost alway will say go right ahead. I respect people who ask.
In return I thank them with giving up the bank.

If a boat just pulls up and starts fishing in front of me we have a problem.

rickd · Post by **rickd** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:00 pm

If you were in the mouth of a cove with the TM down fishing and I was on my big motor trying to get into a cove you canâ€™t block the entrance, itâ€™s mentioned prior to any event.

davet. · Post by **davet.** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:02 pm

hippie wrote:Hit them with a spook! That sounds racist

That reminds me, one day at work I was talking fishing to another guy in the lunch room. The second I said "spook", a black feller walked in. I'm sure all he heard was "blah blah blah SPOOK".
I caught it right away, but did'nt know what to say, so I just left it alone.

DeltaDan · Post by **DeltaDan** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:49 pm

Lar - Just pull out the ol' rusty gun next time .... and shoot them with some #6 LEAD ...... if it will fire.

If #6 shot sinks their boat ---- they were to close. ~~ If it just peppered them - They were still to close !!

Micropterus salmoides · Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:56 pm

Something similar really irks me and when I confront the offender(s) they get all pissy like I did something wrong. What do you do if you are fishing a bank and someone is approaching you, continuing to cast until they are casting either right behind or in front of your casts, and then they proceed to go right between you and the bank instead of passing behind you?

tunaman · Post by **tunaman** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:05 pm

I've seen that alot lately... it is not good etiquette. If you want to fish an area where another boater already is, get in line behind them and see if you can stick something - don't start in front of them!!!

There's a lot of inconsiderate folks out there, and also quite a few who just don't know (giving them the benefit of the doubt).

I like the approach of jumping in front of them, maybe even taking the opportunity to educate them in a nice way if possible... I've done that before and it worked out well for both. If they're just inconsiderate you'll know it quickly and will at least be back in front.

Roger

tunaman · Post by **tunaman** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:09 pm

Micropterus salmoides wrote:Something similar really irks me and when I confront the offender(s) they get all pissy like I did something wrong. What do you do if you are fishing a bank and someone is approaching you, continuing to cast until they are casting either right behind or in front of your casts, and then they proceed to go right between you and the bank instead of passing behind you?

To me, it depends on who was there first... if you were working it first and they came up from the other side, they should yield and go around. If they were working the bank from the opposite side first, you should yield and go around them.

In the case they're just locked on and not willing to yield, I'll go around them and hope to show them the fish they missed! Or pull off and head elsewhere... not worth a stroke for an inconsiderate boater.

Roger

49R Dan · Post by **49R Dan** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:18 am

not worth a stroke for an inconsiderate boater

So true on the Delta... I was fun fishing in an aluminum Lowe with my 14 y/o son when a boat flew by us so close the back-wash sprayed us. they didn't even glance our way...

I've learned to just accept it as normal, what can you do?

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:00 am

Had it happen in a tourney last year and I cast right on the transom of their boat then we got into it. Had words and offered to pull up on the bank and settle it. He left. No excuse for rude behaviour and I have never let it slide. Had all my front teeth knocked out with a pipe too so there is a downside.

DougH · Post by **DougH** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:34 am

I had some dude in a beat up old blue and silver fish and ski, I think it was a procraft do that last Thursday.

There was like 3 people on the lake (Piru), and I was ON the point, on the left hand side of it. This guy rolls in giving me a nice wake roll and sets up 20 feet in front of me. I just rolled around him and kept fishing.
It was so blatant that I didn't even bother saying anything because he was so ignorant I didn't even bother. Had it been a tourney I probably would have said something. I don't know if he was just an a-hole or just dumb as a stick, but either way not worth the breath of saying anything...

birdi23nls · Post by **birdi23nls** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:43 am

how close is too close and how far do most of you allow before it would be acceptable. I know it kind of depends on the geography of the bank but do you guys follow a general rule?

ASD · Post by **ASD** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:07 am

100 yard @ a min! or I just might over cast the hud

and hit you

tunaman · Post by **tunaman** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:42 am

birdi23nls wrote:how close is too close and how far do most of you allow before it would be acceptable. I know it kind of depends on the geography of the bank but do you guys follow a general rule?

To me, it's not so much the distance as it is the direction. If someone is heading down a bank, don't jump in front of them period. If you want to fish it, jump in line behind them and have at it.

Most of the time, they're probably working their way to the sweet spot, or covering water, and neither of those are proper opportunities to start ahead of them in my opinion. Unless they're working back and forth on a section, few would have issue with having someone jump in behind them.

Roger

birdi23nls · Post by **birdi23nls** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:44 am

What about this one.

I'm fishing the inside of a cut with a longer flat point, it almost creates an island and will for a few weeks when the water gets high enough. The whole purpose of the stop is to fish the point but wanted to start on the inside cut to see if there were fish in there first....still had not established a pattern. I'm maybe 50 yards from the point. A boat pulls up and starts fishing the other side of the point which is in front of me and down the bank, I can see him the whole time.

Was the boater in the wrong or is that free game. I was a little t'ed off when it happend but my uncle who was with me thought it was not a big deal. There were no fish on point to speak of anyhow so it didn't matter but I had mixed feeling later about whether or not the guy should have done that.

????

Skunkedagain · Post by **Skunkedagain** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:06 am

Simply asking the boater solves a lot of things. I was fishing in mildred the other day, and a boat was fishing the bank coming up to the entrance. I was unsure if he was going out of the entrance or passing it to continue down the bank. I simply asked....got my answer. He was going out the entrance so I started down the bank. Had he told me he was continuing, I would have moved on.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:16 am

This is how I meet Roger but we were heading towards each other, we became friends!

When it happens to me, I take it as an opportunely to try improve my skills that I can catch fish right behind them. When I do catch something I make sure then know it â€“ â€œHey Guys you left oneâ€

fishinman · Post by **fishinman** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:30 am

75 yards is fine in my eyes. The lakes I fish are small. At a large reservoir like mead, havasu or clear 100 yards would be more considerate. Personally in tourneys I have had many other competitors pull in front of me as I am fishing or in the approach off or on plane. I've had nut jobs play beat the boat to prevent me from going past them when there is still almost 200 yards left to the back of the cove. I just fire up the gas guzzler and flip'em off!

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:22 am

fishinman wrote:75 yards is fine in my eyes. The lakes I fish are small. At a large reservoir like mead, havasu or clear 100 yards would be more considerate. Personally in tourneys I have had many other competitors pull in front of me as I am fishing or in the approach off or on plane. I've had nut jobs play beat the boat to prevent me from going past them when there is still almost 200 yards left to the back of the cove. I just fire up the gas guzzler and flip'em off!

I know you do.

CN · Post by CN » Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:41 pm

Laugh it off. The few times it happens they move on rather quick without even catching anything.

Life's way to short to get pissed when your out fishing

.....right?

90% of the guy's out there know what to do just deal with the other % of them.

Mike

BuckSnort · Post by **BuckSnort** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:50 pm

I prefer to speak my mind and let them know how I feel...If it turns into confrontation so be it...

People do crappy things to one another cause they get away with it...

lcates · Post by **lcates** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:23 pm

thanks for the reply it seems most that are on here fill the same way i do.Im really getting tired of all the rude people out their in general anymore.I truely believe bass fishing has gotten way to competitive by the way i only fish the delta not a lake

frisbee · Post by **frisbee** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:07 pm

i vented a little on another thread
http://www.westernbass.com/forum/viewto ... =&start=50

I recently upgraded my squirt gun to one of those whistling nerf footballs. can't wait to try it out at DV from my cousins aluminum putt putt(lots of aggro tourney guys there if you haven't noticed already)

I am also considering putting a stereo system in my skeeter just for those occasions where guys pull up and fish on top of me. Any suggestions what I should play?

Spookin'Em43 · Post by **Spookin'Em43** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:06 am

I was fun fishing the Delta recently with a nice guy on here and we had this Kid in a little 12 ft flat bottom chuckin' a Huddleston damn near hitting the back of our motor. I dont understand why you gotta be that close with 1,000 miles of waterway to work with

Lugnut · Post by **Lugnut** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:57 pm

Okay so tell me what you think of the following. I have brought it up to a few people and they told me that it was not a violation of the rules. I understand that, but come on now........

My partner and I were fishing a two day club outing up at Clear Lake during the same time period as a couple larger tournaments. We were fishing a large section of docks. As we were working our way out, down one side of a dock another boat pulled in and started fishing the other side, heading in the same direction we had been fishing for the last hour and a half. Now we were only about 10-15' from the end when they pulled up and started fishing, but I could have almost jumped from my front deck to his. When I brought it up I was told by several other participants in the tournament that it was addressed in the pre-tournament meeting that if you are fishing one side of a dock, the other is fair game. Did I have a right to get upset? I mean it wasn't a rules violation, right? Anyway, I started my outboard and slowly idled past them, working my way in and out of the next couple docks.........oh yeah, and anybody that knows me can tell you, my old '86 Mercury rumbles like a Harley with no pipes......

JKitz · Post by **JKitz** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:31 pm

Yeah, this kind of stuff is BS. Just a few weeks ago, a regular tournament angler came flying into a cove I was fishing at DVL just to get the back of it. He then started to joke with another person fishing the spot saying, "get off my spot." It took every ounce of patience in me to not say anything. What an A$$hole he was. I was positioned with my boat on the bank fishing uphill and the dude just came roaring in at about 20MPH, right above my lines.. I would mention his name, but I will not stoop that low. let's just say he is a regular in tournaments and really thinks he is hot Sh$t even though its been a while since he has done anything...

OK that's enough of that. I think there is a huge disconnect with respecting someone who is fishing, whether he is a tournament angler or a recreation angler.

That was one of the reasons I stopped fishing tournaments. too much arrogance. and the fact that I was a sh$tty fisherman too

bassmonkey · Post by **bassmonkey** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:55 pm

I used to never speak up when some bonehead would pull a jerk move. I realized most of them have no clue what they are doing is rude or inconsiderate. I finally had enough one day and just lost it on some dude at Folsom a few years back. He was the only other boat in sight and runs from the other side of the lake and starts fishing a little point we were going back and forth on for about 30 minutes. We were wacking em on crankbaits so maybe he wanted to join the action. He literally pulled up about 20' from us an started fishing. I lost my cool and let the guy have it. You know what, it felt good and he got the F out of there in a hurry. Maybe he got the point.
My best one is from Clear Lake. We launced at Red Bud and ran up the lake a ways to a point we alway like to start on. We were there for maybe 15 minutes and caught 5 fish right away. A couple guys in a red and white Champion come blazin' up, throw down the trolling motor and start comming at us, fast. I was in disbelief and all I could say was "Really"? He says we are fishing a night derby and we have 30 minutes til weigh in. He proceeds to go between us and the point we are fishing. We were only about 20 yards off end of a very shallow rocky point. I told my buddy "watch this" He hit those rocks with the TM on high and drug his big motor and bottom of the boat through some seriously chunky rocks. I couldn't help it, I laughed my a$$ off at him as the motor was bouncing up and down making the most gawd awful noises. He looked at me and said something about Karma getting him. He knew he was wrong and did it anyway. Hopefully he reads this remembers what a knucklehead he was. Should I have told him about the rocks? I think not.

Turkeyman · Post by **Turkeyman** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:23 pm

Same thing happened to me at Tulloch, my son and I are fishing a long flat point with 150 yards of open water behind us. A boat tries to cut across the point so I throw a 3/4 oz jig right in front of his boat, he steers into the point and shallower water. I told my son "watch this" he hit an underwater rock pile and his motor was jumping up and down as it slid over the rocks. We both busted a gut laughing.

SPIKE · Post by **SPIKE** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:27 am

You are just better off thinking to yourself what a jerk .then turn you boat around and fish the other direction and enjoy the day. If you let this kind of thing bother you then why go out at all . This is a fun sport , I try to have fun not get mad on my days off. Just a better way to look at it?

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:35 am

SPIKE wrote:You are just better off thinking to yourself what a jerk .then turn you boat around and fish the other direction and enjoy the day. If you let this kind of thing bother you then why go out at all . This is a fun sport , I try to have fun not get mad on my days off. Just a better way to look at it?

+1

sTony

jamescaird · Post by **jamescaird** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:46 am

While there may be a loose etiquette among obvious bass fisherman, to get upset and become etiquette police with the general fishing/boating public is not worth the headache. I was fly fishing SF Bay for stripers 7 or 8 years ago in a friend's boat, we were hovering off of a point with the trolling motor catching fish after fish after fish, double hookups every cast, anyway, a troller decides to troll between us and the point, we could have cast into his boat, I went crazy screaming and yelling and threatening the guy, he yelled back "you don't own this spot, we have a right to troll through here"... my buddy was upset because we were in his boat and I was screaming like a lunatic... I learned that day "etiquette is in the eye of the beholder" and you are better off keeping your mouth shut...move on if you have to but

YOUR PERCEPTION IS YOUR OWN... etiquette is not universally accepted... how often does some poor guy in a rental boat that doesn't know any better just drive right over your water, a polite statement is one thing, but to "teach em a lesson" etc... when there is not obvious malicious intent is a mistake in my view, they don't know what they don't know, people often just don't know any better. Better off being polite or saying nothing.... not worth the blood pressure spike, I was seeing red that day in SF Bay ... why bother, the trollers have their own set of rules that is the opposite of the casters... neither are right or wrong... try to have fun on the water!

BuckSnort · Post by **BuckSnort** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:46 am

SPIKE wrote:You are just better off thinking to yourself what a jerk .then turn you boat around and fish the other direction and enjoy the day. If you let this kind of thing bother you then why go out at all . This is a fun sport , I try to have fun not get mad on my days off. Just a better way to look at it?

Maybe so...But some folks don't like being stepped on their whole lives...

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:44 am

I will cut all the slack in the world to someone who has no idea about etiquette but to have another boat from the same tournament pull that stuff is not going to happen. Better be able to back up the mouth if that happens.

201Pro · Post by **201Pro** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:45 am

Yup ... happens all the time. I have had boats pull in front of me so close that I can cast beyond their boat (and I have done that). These people either have no clue, think that they're in a tournament so they own the water or don't care. I think the latter. So ... I don't really care myself. Life is too short to have hurt feelings on a fishing day.

stickbait · Post by **stickbait** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:26 pm

tunaman wrote:
birdi23nls wrote:how close is too close and how far do most of you allow before it would be acceptable. I know it kind of depends on the geography of the bank but do you guys follow a general rule?
To me, it's not so much the distance as it is the direction. If someone is heading down a bank, don't jump in front of them period. If you want to fish it, jump in line behind them and have at it.

Most of the time, they're probably working their way to the sweet spot, or covering water, and neither of those are proper opportunities to start ahead of them in my opinion. Unless they're working back and forth on a section, few would have issue with having someone jump in behind them.

Roger

So how far in front of someone would be ok to pull in and start fishing.. 100 ...200 yards..... 1/4 mile..

What about coming down the same bank at each other.. how far before you pull off.. if the other guy dosen't??

tunaman · Post by **tunaman** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:35 pm

stickbait wrote:So how far in front of someone would be ok to pull in and start fishing.. 100 ...200 yards..... 1/4 mile..

What about coming down the same bank at each other.. how far before you pull off.. if the other guy dosen't??

For me, I guess it would be more towards the 1/4 mile, but I like to believe I'm courteous and considerate... most of the time there's plenty of water to cover elsewhere. It also depends on the body of water - Perris is much different than the Delta, so it is certainly circumstantial. I'd much rather maintain my integrity than risk being an *** and get a bad reputation. If I'm bound and determined to fish the area in question, I'll leave for a while and come back and see if they've cleared out.

As for coming down the bank... happens all the time. Usually I'll ask as they get close to see if they're fishing a tournament, consider if I am also, and see if there's a clear reason one should yield to the other. If I'm not in a tournament and they are, I'll just pull out and tell them "good luck". I hope they would do the same. If not, then I'll usually opt to either go around them or leave as nothing good can come out of it.

None of it is worth "taking it to the bank", as folks have died over stupid crap like that... it's only fishing.

But that's just me...

Roger

froteur · Post by **froteur** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:01 pm

stickbait wrote:
tunaman wrote:
birdi23nls wrote:how close is too close and how far do most of you allow before it would be acceptable. I know it kind of depends on the geography of the bank but do you guys follow a general rule?
To me, it's not so much the distance as it is the direction. If someone is heading down a bank, don't jump in front of them period. If you want to fish it, jump in line behind them and have at it.

Most of the time, they're probably working their way to the sweet spot, or covering water, and neither of those are proper opportunities to start ahead of them in my opinion. Unless they're working back and forth on a section, few would have issue with having someone jump in behind them.

Roger
So how far in front of someone would be ok to pull in and start fishing.. 100 ...200 yards..... 1/4 mile..

What about coming down the same bank at each other.. how far before you pull off.. if the other guy dosen't??

i was watching a bass show last week and rick clunn says that his rule of thumb is 100 yards.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:40 pm

After reading this I've decided to revise my distances.

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