Pyramid Cage

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:31 am

What's the latest on the cage that was found at Pyramid this last Saturday? I read about it on another site, but haven't been able to find out any more.

jrbasspro · Post by **jrbasspro** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:04 am

DFG pulled the cage

I want to say thank you to the angler who reported it to DFG !! I know who found it but will keep it to myself unless he says otherwise!

Thank you for taking the time to take a picture and report it to DFG

I dont have anymore information other than what I just posted.

walt

Guy Williams · Post by **Guy Williams** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:40 am

Actually the lake Sheriff pulled it and that messed the whole catching the cheater deal. To bad, it would have been good to get the cheaters but guess the lake Sheriff didn't want to hassle with that come the weekend.
Guy Williams

Brian D. · Post by **Brian D.** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:57 am

Hmmmm... and yet the Organizations refuse to administer lie detectors. The bold become brazen.

some guy · Post by **some guy** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:03 am

Guy Williams wrote:Actually the lake Sheriff pulled it and that messed the whole catching the cheater deal. To bad, it would have been good to get the cheaters but guess the lake Sheriff didn't want to hassle with that come the weekend.
Guy Williams

+1000

Not suprising though, heck most lakes barely have the funding to keep the sheriffs on the water, let alone set up a sting for a guy cheating in bass tournaments.

Tin Can · Post by **Tin Can** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:06 am

Did it have fish in it?

Kevin · Post by **Kevin** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:28 am

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Bill K · Post by **Bill K** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:44 am

some guy wrote:
Guy Williams wrote:Actually the lake Sheriff pulled it and that messed the whole catching the cheater deal. To bad, it would have been good to get the cheaters but guess the lake Sheriff didn't want to hassle with that come the weekend.
Guy Williams
+1000

Not suprising though, heck most lakes barely have the funding to keep the sheriffs on the water, let alone set up a sting for a guy cheating in bass tournaments.

I for one, would pay a little extra cash, so they could set and catch the culbrits. And I bet others would also. Bill K

Ray L. · Post by **Ray L.** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:54 am

The Sherriff messed up. The Angler who found it had a great set up with the D.F.G. and the sherriff went out and found it and pulled it all on his own. I was told about it Sat. at Pyramid and the sherriff had his own agenda and would not say much else. Dam The angler had a great plan as well. We would have caught them this past weekend with the plan. Dam now we all have to look at all the anglers different. This really sucks. If you need to cage fish to win a small weekend event. You should not be fishing tournaments. The amount of money involved should not make a difference in the overall cost of fishing local events. If it does make a difference then you should maybe get a job.

Ray L. · Post by **Ray L.** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:55 am

Oh and Mark.... Tell Mike to give me a call on wed. Have him call my cell. I will explain it all to him.

tunaman · Post by **tunaman** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:23 am

The original post has now been reinstated, since the issue is now moot.

Too bad they bungled the opportunity - need to catch whomever would do such a thing.

Roger

Greg H · Post by **Greg H** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:56 am

Sad but this seems to happen other places as well. Many years ago I was practicing for a local team tournament(old West Coast Bass) went to a log I like to fish that seemed to always hold a nice fish early in the year. As I was getting closer I could see an old rope tied on to the log. At first I thought nothing of it because the locals tie buoys on some the logs that get covered in high water to avoid hitting them. I cast a jig to the log and as I picked up the line it was moving a bit side ways. I set the hook to feel something strange it felt like a fish but yet it was more dead weight and not really moving just getting some tugging back but just a few feet. As I approached the log pulling with my hand on the line, I was surprised at what I brought to the top. There were 5 pretty decent fish(about 13 pound worth) on the rope with a divers weight at the bottom. The fish looked a bit stressed and seeing as how I had my hands on this rig my first thought was release the fish(once I touched it I wanted no part of having a resident on the shore or another boat see me with the rig and fish in my hands). I was young at the time 20 years old and really had not had much experiance so I wasn't really thinking about catching the people who put it there. I realsed the fish and tossed the rig out into the deep. When I got home I called the tournament director to let him know what I had found. He told me I should have left it there so they could have watched it. I apologized for my ruining the oppertunity, but I told him the fish were my first concern. I explained where it was located if they wanted to watch the location. The tournament director chose to make an annoucement at the pre-tournament meeting instead. There will always be those that try to cheat at everything cards, sports etc. Perhaps if more get caught and the punishments are harsh it will deter those from trying!

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:57 am

The day before a NewBass TOC years ago at clear lake one of the anglers found a bunch of fish tied to docks up north, He cut them all loose. The areas were watched the next day but by the night before the first day, everyone and their brother knew about the fish so it was pointless to watch the docks............

If you find something like this, ONLY tell the TD, or DFG and let them set up on it.............. CATCH THESE GUYS they make me sick!

some guy · Post by **some guy** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:59 am

Two Words

Louisville Slugger

drew · Post by **drew** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:02 am

No reason to keep the persons name anonymous. See the original thread below.

http://www.westernbass.com/forum/viewto ... =57926&f=2

jrbasspro wrote:DFG pulled the cage

I want to say thank you to the angler who reported it to DFG !! I know who found it but will keep it to myself unless he says otherwise!

Thank you for taking the time to take a picture and report it to DFG

I dont have anymore information other than what I just posted.

walt

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:30 am

Ray L. wrote:Oh and Mark.... Tell Mike to give me a call on wed. Have him call my cell. I will explain it all to him.

Done.

fish_food · Post by **fish_food** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:16 pm

Kevin wrote:[/img]

That'll hold a whole lotta bass!

frisbee · Post by **frisbee** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:15 pm

i say ban all tournaments at pyramid and return the beatiful place to the quiet winter lake it once was.

Now cheaters and too many drunk jet skiers run the place.

S. Bailey · Post by **S. Bailey** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:44 am

are you freakin kidding me ??? what organization was it ????? cant wait to find out who it was .... as a matter of fact what ever happened to the guys that got caught pulling a cage a castaic a few years back ?????????? they did it right and clipped all the fins in the cage , let it go back down ... and sure enough all 5 fish with clipped fins were weighed in ..... anybody got the remainder of the story on what happened ??????????????????? this is getting out of hand !

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:34 am

See what happens when you leave town?

hippie · Post by **hippie** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:41 am

Im all in for ricky the steamboat dragon.

Rich hamilton · Post by **Rich hamilton** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:11 pm

MikeL. · Post by **MikeL.** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:09 pm

Here is the cage.

I really hope these SOB's get caught. I am interested in the upcoming tourneys or past few. The list of clubs should be small for a lake like Pyramid.

e

Gerryjig · Post by **Gerryjig** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:19 pm

S. Bailey wrote:are you freakin kidding me ??? what organization was it ????? cant wait to find out who it was .... as a matter of fact what ever happened to the guys that got caught pulling a cage a castaic a few years back ?????????? they did it right and clipped all the fins in the cage , let it go back down ... and sure enough all 5 fish with clipped fins were weighed in ..... anybody got the remainder of the story on what happened ??????????????????? this is getting out of hand !

I never heard the outcome of that one myself and I was there. The org had to be carefull on how they took action(possibility of being sued).........which was basically nothing so the whole thing got brushed under the rug. Should have made a payout difference for my partner and I, so we requested some insight on what was going to happen next.......nothing. The same org changed a Travelers Region rule in the middle of the year......putting us out for 2005 AOY after previously getting AOY in 2003 and 2004 So. Ca. region Teams. If this is the same org involved, it wont surprise me. For good enough reasons we went to other orgs to compete. I also found a cage at Havasu a few years back and reported it to the DFG. I was thanked but never heard anything from that either......bummer, these people need to be caught and permanently banned from ALL competitive fishing in So. Ca.

Team Davies · Post by **Team Davies** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:45 pm

I knew a guy who went by Gerryjig and then I heard he was lost at sea. Good to see you found your way to shore.

Team Davies
DeLynn

Kelly Ripa · Post by **Kelly Ripa** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:07 pm

I found him hanging around a saltwater bass site...

Ron T. · Post by **Ron T.** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:40 pm

So here is where it stands . Talked to Fish and game officer that I was trying to work with on monday . He stated he had no idea as to why the cage was pulled prematurely . Talked to the LACS deputie at the lake today and he stated after talking with the DFG warden they mutually decided to " just eliminate the problem " by removeing it becouse they dont have the recorces to do what needed to be done . My partner once again called the DFG warden to compare notes . He once again denied that they agreed to remove the cage. I personally believe the warden . So whats up here ? Im keeping my opinion to myself on this for now .
After doing some research it looks real grim as for accually ever haveing enough evidence to procicute anybody for cheating in this manner, according to both officers , but it sure would have been nice to rid the guys from ever showing their faces at any more derbies.
Its not over yet on who is accountable for screwing this one up .
More to come .

MikeL. · Post by **MikeL.** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:04 pm

Ron, would it be worth describing where or how it was tied/hidden?

I for one would love to keep an eye out in the future for these

DL · Post by DL » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:37 pm

Ron T. wrote:So here is where it stands . Talked to Fish and game officer that I was trying to work with on monday . He stated he had no idea as to why the cage was pulled prematurely . Talked to the LACS deputie at the lake today and he stated after talking with the DFG warden they mutually decided to " just eliminate the problem " by removeing it becouse they dont have the recorces to do what needed to be done . My partner once again called the DFG warden to compare notes . He once again denied that they agreed to remove the cage. I personally believe the warden . So whats up here ? Im keeping my opinion to myself on this for now .
After doing some research it looks real grim as for accually ever haveing enough evidence to procicute anybody for cheating in this manner, according to both officers , but it sure would have been nice to rid the guys from ever showing their faces at any more derbies.
Its not over yet on who is accountable for screwing this one up .
More to come .

Hmm.. sounds like someone is covering someone's azz. It should not surprise us though. Those that can.. do, and those that can't, are left to take what measures they can to prevent this type of bologna. I don't know anything other than what has come to light in this discussion, but I smell something fishy. Its too bad too, those guys are supposed to be on our side of the law.

Ron T. · Post by **Ron T.** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:10 pm

MikeL. wrote:Ron, would it be worth describing where or how it was tied/hidden?

I for one would love to keep an eye out in the future for these

It was tied to a bush very close to the water edge with braided line , The line had large splitshots on it to geep it on the bottom . it than was tied to a small section of rope and than to the cage . It was located in the first cove to the right leaving the marina . My partnener snaged it draging a splitshot worm parralel in pre fish . Anybody casting to the shore would have never found it .
DL, I dont think there is any involvement but I do think somebody screwed up and are now trying to cover there own azz.

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:09 am

I have been very disappointed with the Sheriffs at Pyramid.
I admit I don't know what their responsibilities are exactly, and they may be busy as beavers in their headquarters there, but their presence on the lake itself, like patroling, is non-existent.
I'm still amazed they let drunks ski and tube on that lake, and party on boats, with no consequences. Anyone who has ever made the mistake of trying to fish there on a holiday, like I did one year, will testify to how much stuff goes on without consequence.
They only seem to get involved when something bad happens, like the tuber who got towed into a boat by his drunk boater a few years ago.
It almost seems like they are afraid of having to actually work.
It is probably true that they don't have the resources to deal with the cage episode properly, but then they should have let DFG deal with it.

Brian D. · Post by **Brian D.** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:33 am

mark poulson wrote:I have been very disappointed with the Sheriffs at Pyramid.

Ditto. I rarely see them patrolling. On a few occasions, I do see them when some clown in a jetski is doing circles by the ramp, then they get on speaker and tell them to come into the office. They dont even get out of the office.

some guy · Post by **some guy** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:42 am

Take the hooks off a punker and go to town..

aww just kidding, before some drunk jet skier gets on here and gets sad..

gofish42189 · Post by **gofish42189** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:51 am

Maybe next time something like this is found, the finders could work together with fellow anglers to catch the cheaters in action. Instead of contacting the officials, a fellow angler could just sit on the cage during the event and use a camcorder to record the cheating in action. Record the initial find with photos and a witness, then set it back and wait for the scumbags to come back for it. That way you will have photo evidence of where the cage was found and a video of the cheaters that you can show to the TD and the DFG. Then you can post the video on westernbass.com and make them movie stars.

I know of a fellow tournament angler that has done something similar to this down here in San Diego.

Brian Linehan · Post by **Brian Linehan** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:05 am

Just a thought.....but don't you think this cage could have belonged to some "barney" that doesn't have anything to do with tournaments?

gofish42189 · Post by **gofish42189** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:09 am

That is an idea, but why would they need a cage? Better yet, why would they have to hide it so well?

some guy · Post by **some guy** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:15 am

gofish42189 wrote:That is an idea, but why would they need a cage? Better yet, why would they have to hide it so well?

+1

Brian Linehan · Post by **Brian Linehan** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:20 am

Crawdads? I don't know. lets just say I was looking for dads, I wouldn't want anyone seeing my cage because they'd snag it!
Just a thought!

some guy · Post by **some guy** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:29 am

Brian I thought the same thing, but the cage had no bait in it

Ive hid traps at pretty much every lake I fish and yes you do have to hide them because people will swoop them in a heart beat.. but I never hid a trap with no bait in it, plus for catching crawdads that is waaaay too big of a trap. I dont know man, but It looks pretty shady.

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:15 am

That thing looks like a friggin dog crate!

Maybe they were fishing for lobster.

MikeL. · Post by **MikeL.** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:58 pm

Ron T. wrote:
MikeL. wrote:Ron, would it be worth describing where or how it was tied/hidden?

I for one would love to keep an eye out in the future for these

It was tied to a bush very close to the water edge with braided line , The line had large splitshots on it to geep it on the bottom . it than was tied to a small section of rope and than to the cage . It was located in the first cove to the right leaving the marina . My partnener snaged it draging a splitshot worm parralel in pre fish . Anybody casting to the shore would have never found it .
DL, I dont think there is any involvement but I do think somebody screwed up and are now trying to cover there own azz.

First cove to the right huh?

Sounds like the possible cheaters would mill/fish around the marina after blast off making sure all boats are in the main lake. Then sneak into that cove assuring no witnesses.

Rodney · Post by **Rodney** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:19 pm

some guy wrote:Take the hooks off a punker and go to town..

aww just kidding, before some drunk jet skier gets on here and gets sad..

you are to nice why take the hooks off

BIG L · Post by **BIG L** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:52 am

The cage is a portable dog crate, they fold up to the size of 1 side pc. The reason I think they would use one of these is they would be pretty easy to hide in your boat. Just my .02 worth. This comes up every 2 or 3 years about a cage that is found. I remember back more than 20 years ago when one found at casitas .

Team Pollard · Post by **Team Pollard** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:57 am

This is why all tournaments with money involved need lie dectector test, I dont care if was for $400. or $10,000 dollars, all fishermen should pay a extra $5 and do a radeem test or pull the top 3, every organzitation. Period......It might not solve it totatally, but it would help tremendouslly, it would make them think twice about it....

DL · Post by DL » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:02 am

Rodney wrote:
some guy wrote:Take the hooks off a punker and go to town..

aww just kidding, before some drunk jet skier gets on here and gets sad..

you are to nice why take the hooks off

That is so you can get your bait back

some guy · Post by **some guy** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:28 am

DL wrote:
Rodney wrote:
some guy wrote:Take the hooks off a punker and go to town..

aww just kidding, before some drunk jet skier gets on here and gets sad..

you are to nice why take the hooks off
That is so you can get your bait back

Amen 50 yards and in with a punker im gonna dot ya right in the face. It gets costly with the hooks in.

cib11b · Post by **cib11b** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:39 am

some guy wrote:
DL wrote:
Rodney wrote:
you are to nice why take the hooks off
That is so you can get your bait back
Amen 50 yards and in with a punker im gonna dot ya right in the face. It gets costly with the hooks in.

That's why you use braid.

Ray L. · Post by **Ray L.** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:05 pm

even went so far as to put it in the dirty water. Keeps it hidden better.
I wonder now with this HDS and side image stuff, Are we going to see more cages being found. Looks like they would show well on a screen.

b2customrods · Post by **b2customrods** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:57 pm

I use to drive a truck cross country. Once while I was driving through Texas and had to stop for the night at a truck stop another driver caught a driver stealing diesel out of a guys tanks. The individual was detained and the word went out that another driver was caught stealing diesel out of anothers tanks over the CB. The thief could be located behind the last row of trucks.

What ya think happened to that person? I saw allot of truck drivers walkin that way!

Now what do you think should be done about another bass fisherman stealing money from all of us. Thats what he is doing!

some guy · Post by **some guy** » Sat May 01, 2010 5:32 am

Ray L. wrote:even went so far as to put it in the dirty water. Keeps it hidden better.
I wonder now with this HDS and side image stuff, Are we going to see more cages being found. Looks like they would show well on a screen.

I would easily be able to pick them up on my 8.

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