Cell Phone use during events Spot Holding?

[j10b]

Just for the record Andy, the 13 year old getting hit by a car was hypothetical. Do you really expect my wife to call me instead of calling someone closer? Did you really just ask that question?

:lol
Oh DL, the sky is blue and the earth isnt flat either. Just wanted to point out some more things I LOVE ( read HATE) people that ask/point out the obvious, you know because the rest of us are SO Fing stupid we need someone to point out that we should perhaps call an EMT instead of someone 6-9 hours away.

Yup we are all dumber for Andy's comment.

[fishinman]

Dam, I've set the hook and dropped the phone(in the boat) while fishing. I just say loudly HOLD ON 1 MINUTE PLEEASSSE. My partner unhooks the fish and puts him or her hopefully in the well while I finish my important business or personal call. No texting though I'm just not that talented!!

[j10b]

Dam, I've set the hook and dropped the phone(in the boat) while fishing. I just say loudly HOLD ON 1 MINUTE PLEEASSSE. My partner unhooks the fish and puts him or her hopefully in the well while I finish my important business or personal call. No texting though I'm just not that talented!!

WITCH... I MEAN CHEAT BURN HIM!!!!

[mark poulson]

I just paid big bucks for the new 10bl bass app for my cellphone!

[bigbass111]

I have always thought phone use during a tournament was grounds for DQ. My phone stays on incase of an emergency. My wife knows that I cannot pick up during the event, so if she does call I know to pick up its probably serious. Everyone else thats calls goes to voicemail. My phone has an automatic text response to people when I do not pick up during a tournament. It says, Im fishing a Tournament right now, call you later...

[DL]

I have always thought phone use during a tournament was grounds for DQ. My phone stays on incase of an emergency. My wife knows that I cannot pick up during the event, so if she does call I know to pick up its probably serious. Everyone else thats calls goes to voicemail. My phone has an automatic text response to people when I do not pick up during a tournament. It says, Im fishing a Tournament right now, call you later...

Yep, mine is on in case of an emergency. But I don't use it to check Westernbass , or find out what's going on at home...or across the lake. Its also a back-up to make sure I am on time for weigh in.

[lacy10]

A few years ago I was fishing the FLW Stren Iwas about 5 miles back a creek , where it was 5 miles an hour zone all the way thru . I was fishing near a spot where water comes in, when they turn it on , it is a good bite ? if the water is on and running it is great but if it isn't it stinks . Well early in the day a pretty famous person who was not in the tournament( , in a wrapped boat ) pulls up right to the waterfall and looks ,gets on his cell phone and leaves , never casting just gets on his cell phone I know he was calling his buddy who was in the Tournament and tell him don't bother to come all the way back here cause the waters not on. They were definately cheating

[macinckirk]

Ok just for the Record

2 maybe it was 3 years ago when I was up at the fed state trny on New M

I got a call from my dad around 8:00am there was 3-5 boats within 300 yards of us, I answer it and I do talk very loud so everyone that was around me knew I was talking to my dad

I made it as short n fast as possible without just telling him to go screw himself.

When I got off the phone Ron C Told me, that using my phone and talking to my dad was grounds for a dq

Beening that the TD was within my voice range he heard the whole thing. about 2 hours later as the td was moving to his next spot, I asked him to come over and I told him about my call.

At that point he said I know and so does everyone around you, He told me he would not dg someone for talking to family but to please keep it as short and fast as possible

I think he handle it the right way

[buzzfish]

I don't think that *I* am that important. My customers are though.

[Kevin]

Welcome to the 21st century boys. Some of you really need to get a life. If my phone rings, I'm answering it.

[Buzzbommer]

[quote]I don't care what the rules say because the rules in so cal don't apply anyways

You see...? This is what's wrong with SoCal tournament fishing.

Thanks for making my point. ChrisR

[Andy Giannini]

I am not complaining.

But I am curious, just what were you going to do about a 13 year old hit by a car? Are you some kind of EMT or something, or do work in trama center? Did the doctors need your help specifically? And if you were on the water, and she knew this would it not make more sense to call someone who can respond quicker?
What exactly were you expected to do that your wife cannot get done in this instance? She can call for help, or drive the victim if need be can't she?

Get over your own self. The world will go on, even if your cell doesn't get good reception.



A.G.

Just for the record Andy, the 13 year old getting hit by a car was hypothetical. Do you really expect my wife to call me instead of calling someone closer? Did you really just ask that question?

Yep sure did, because you did not say it was hypothetical.

Reread your post. If I knew it was hypothetical there would have been sarcasm with the following response from me.

People do silly things under stress, and don't always call for help first.

I did not know, maybe the kid needed your specific blood type or something.

So now we have gone from, "Can you just follow the rules of no cell phone?", to 9/11?

Good discussion, I will be off line for a bit.



A.G.

[macinckirk]

I don't care what the rules say because the rules in so cal don't apply anyways

You see...? This is what's wrong with SoCal tournament fishing.

Thanks for making my point. ChrisR

your welcome

To me there is more problems out there then using a cell phone, lets start with the bigger problems like having a boat sitting on my prop and fishing right next to me??

what about the Speed Limits on the lakes that are just blown out??

What about sitting on the bouy lines or even going into it and still fishing and no one says anything??


Man I could go on but thats not what this post was about

PS. Lets not forget about checks that don't clear the bank also

[fisheryan]

wow this is insanely retarded. who cares if you good enough at fishin you can win regardless if phones are used or not. ya'll are just finding a way too complain because u didn't catch em hahahahaha

[Buzzbommer]

Macinckirk... You are absolutely right and those issues are important as well. I am not cherrypicking rules to suit myself at all... I just want to see ALL rules ENFORCED by all circuits to keep a level playing field for us all. It's about fairness, and when I rant about enforcement, it's for you too.

And if anyone feels that is whining, then we should all whine until cheaters die.

Or go bowling..... ChrisR

[Buzzbommer]

Ya'll...??? And I'm retarded...???

[macinckirk]

Macinckirk... You are absolutely right and those issues are important as well. I am not cherrypicking rules to suit myself at all... I just want to see ALL rules ENFORCED by all circuits to keep a level playing field for us all. It's about fairness, and when I rant about enforcement, it's for you too.

And if anyone feels that is whining, then we should all whine until cheaters die.

Or go bowling..... ChrisR

ChrisR I feel the same as u I would love to see the RULES be the Rules but thats not whats going on and thats why I'm not fishing trnys

[skkbomb]

Amen Bucksnort,
doesn't sound like A.G. has kids, or takes his fishing way to serious.

[Andy Giannini]

Got to say I'm with you on this 1

Here is my 2 cents worth on this, If my phone rings and its ANY of my Family calling I'm going to answer it and I don't care what the rules say because the rules in so cal don't apply anyways

Also If I was working still I would be answering it also

If someone is going to cheat they will find a way n I don't really think the phone is the problem

+1

Andy if you are a dad...I dont want you as my dad. That is pathetic. So you really think everyone can sit down and fish while their phone rings and rings, IN CASE!!! some moron thinks they are cheating?

Gk said it best if the guy is coming in with 50lb bags after a call. Yeah say something.
In my job if I dont answer my Fing phone people come looking. Oh and try telling your commander you missed the deployment because " You were FISHING"

Lemme guess you are going to say that I shouldnt be fishing? yeah because on 9/11 i was on leave and Well the F aware someone was crashing a plane in the the WTC.


So the rest of us that have lives besides thinking everyone on the phone is a cheater, need to sit at home while you hardcore heros fish?

Yup UMHUM! sounds fun to me.

I tell the TD in every tourny I enter that if my phone rings I WILL answer it. I will put it on Speaker if my Co angler cant deal with it.

See what you can't grasp is INTENT is the deal. If a guy is flinging a swimbait answers the phone, talks, hangs up and continues flinging the bait the rest of the hours. Then leaves for weigh in... he ISNT CHEATING. Its the guy that is getting texts or calls and bailing out.
Hell I have seen more cheating on the water with a bro out there catching fish that motors up to his buddy and tells him what to do.

Let me guess you want to ban all on water contact too????
Again NOTHING is worth even 1 million bucks, especially a few fish.

Yeah I am a girl because I answer a phone and leave a tournament so I can jump on a jet and go get shot at so some knucklehead doesnt drive his explosive laden bomb into someones school. Piss on me

I am quoting you now, because I think your post is not factual.

I don't think you have EVER been called during a tournament to jump on a jet, and go get shot at, so some knucklehead did not drive a bomb into a school. And I seriously doubt you could arrive in time to prevent a bomber. You might give the Transporter/Rambo/the Expendables a run for their money. Perhaps you are more important to national security than I thought.

If you did thats neat, and I wish you would post up the story.

Regards,

A.G.

P.S. I did not sign up thinking, "I hope some of these guys would secretly hope that I was their Dad." Just seems like a bit much, and frankly some of the posters are somewhat pathetic.

[Buzzbommer]

I'm sorry Fisheryan... I don't think you're retarded, I was only goofin' on the word Ya'll. I apologize if I offended you. I know us SoCal guys have some strange lingo, and probably say 'dude' way too much... I know I do.

Again, I apologize for my rudeness. I'm sure your cool and don't deserve it.... ChrisR

[j10b]

I am not complaining.

But I am curious, just what were you going to do about a 13 year old hit by a car? Are you some kind of EMT or something, or do work in trama center? Did the doctors need your help specifically? And if you were on the water, and she knew this would it not make more sense to call someone who can respond quicker?
What exactly were you expected to do that your wife cannot get done in this instance? She can call for help, or drive the victim if need be can't she?

Get over your own self. The world will go on, even if your cell doesn't get good reception.



A.G.

Just for the record Andy, the 13 year old getting hit by a car was hypothetical. Do you really expect my wife to call me instead of calling someone closer? Did you really just ask that question?

Yep sure did, because you did not say it was hypothetical.

Reread your post. If I knew it was hypothetical there would have been sarcasm with the following response from me.

People do silly things under stress, and don't always call for help first.

I did not know, maybe the kid needed your specific blood type or something.

So now we have gone from, "Can you just follow the rules of no cell phone?", to 9/11?

Good discussion, I will be off line for a bit.



A.G.

No ANDY, what you again dont grasp, is that some people are on call 365/24/7 They can't just tell people to "F off they are fishing" Your theory is damn everything else if you are fishing you need to give everything to fishing. That is a BS concept to have on things.

A lot of guys and myself are military, we can't just sit around and not do anything incase something happens. When it does you can bet you have hours to show up ready to deploy.

Some guys are firefighters, if the fire picks up or there is some disaster they will get recalled. Same with doctors. Then again you would say if you have a job that remotely involves a response time to sit at home by the phone. You dont just pick and choose when you can answer your phone.
I am glad you have such a flexible job that allows you to tell the world to F itself while you fish.

I am guessing if the Doc that did your wife's surgery was fishing your tournament you would be HAPPY for him to answer his phone if your wife went into cardiac arrest. Or would you have them call someone else? I mean if you are fishing NOTHING is as important as that.

See thats what I and I believe others are saying..... ITS FISHING
FFS!! You want fish to be placed above a lot of other things so no one is cheating. Sounds pretty selfish to me.


And ANDY, why would you be informed why I left a tournament at my last base? WHY would people tell you anything like that? YES I have.
And A buddy of mine was called to leave a tournament because his child was assaulted. I guess there was nothing he could right because the act had been committed. Hell, who cares right? Child is a mess and the mom is in full break down. No need for dad right?

But he should have known she was going to get assaulted and not been at the tournament.

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P.S. I did not sign up thinking, "I hope some of these guys would secretly hope that I was their Dad." Just seems like a bit much, and frankly some of the posters are somewhat pathetic
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Andy nothing is as pathetic to think YOUR little 25 dollar club tournament has more value and importance than anyone or thing in the world.
That is the definition of a pathetic self absorbed $#@$@#$

[GKramer]

Okay, you all got me. I'm going back to the flag idea. I'm waving the white one.

gk

www.kramergonefishing.com

[g-man]

How pathetic have some of us become? GMAFB...

I agree with DL, and others that have posted the same opinion. And some of the posts about not answering your phone even if its family etc? Are you f'ing kidding me?? I see guys on cells fishing against me all the time, and I never think hes cheating. I got better things to do like try to cash a check! Sure be aware, and always keep your eyes open for possible rule breaking, and report it!

But this is ridiculous kinda like the thread days ago about DQing guys for taking there vests off right before they are getting on the dock to get the truck!

My phones always on, i'm not married, or have kids. I do have family, and they are down south, and if they call me it typically for a reason other then just to say hi. And my mom does not know where the fish are either..

[Andrew Jackson]

You guys make excuses why "you're gunna use it no matter what because of this, that and the other". If it's ~*!" rule in a tournament you entered then live by it. If not, not. Make a big f'n deal out of it, make excuses. Keep the drama up ...

[g-man]

You guys make excuses why "you're gunna use it no matter what because of this, that and the other". If it's ~*!" rule in a tournament you entered then live by it. If not, not. Make a big f'n deal out of it, make excuses. Keep the drama up ...

Heres my excuse...

I would not even be fishing tourneys if it was not for my family, and my job that pays me so I can, they come first!

The rule is not very clear in many orgs. either! If i'm on the phone during a tourney, and I get DQ'd for it so be it! I'll give my side, and if the TD says I'm DQ'd I can deal with that.

[whazup]

I don't fish tournys, but I am thinking about starting. And when I do, I am gonna find a way to mount a disabled cell phone to my ear. I'll be so far in your head my 5 lb bag might win it.

[DL]

I don't fish tournys, but I am thinking about starting. And when I do, I am gonna find a way to mount a disabled cell phone to my ear. I'll be so far in your head my 5 lb bag might win it.

Sweet! Tournaments are fun and a way to experience some competition and have a shot at making some extra cash while doing something you love to do. Are you in So Cal, Central Cal, or the dreaded NoCal ?

[Andy Giannini]

Just for the record Andy, the 13 year old getting hit by a car was hypothetical. Do you really expect my wife to call me instead of calling someone closer? Did you really just ask that question?

Yep sure did, because you did not say it was hypothetical.

Reread your post. If I knew it was hypothetical there would have been sarcasm with the following response from me.

People do silly things under stress, and don't always call for help first.

I did not know, maybe the kid needed your specific blood type or something.

So now we have gone from, "Can you just follow the rules of no cell phone?", to 9/11?

Good discussion, I will be off line for a bit.



A.G.

No ANDY, what you again dont grasp, is that some people are on call 365/24/7 They can't just tell people to "F off they are fishing" Your theory is damn everything else if you are fishing you need to give everything to fishing. That is a BS concept to have on things.

A lot of guys and myself are military, we can't just sit around and not do anything incase something happens. When it does you can bet you have hours to show up ready to deploy.

Some guys are firefighters, if the fire picks up or there is some disaster they will get recalled. Same with doctors. Then again you would say if you have a job that remotely involves a response time to sit at home by the phone. You dont just pick and choose when you can answer your phone.
I am glad you have such a flexible job that allows you to tell the world to F itself while you fish.

I am guessing if the Doc that did your wife's surgery was fishing your tournament you would be HAPPY for him to answer his phone if your wife went into cardiac arrest. Or would you have them call someone else? I mean if you are fishing NOTHING is as important as that.

See thats what I and I believe others are saying..... ITS FISHING
FFS!! You want fish to be placed above a lot of other things so no one is cheating. Sounds pretty selfish to me.


And ANDY, why would you be informed why I left a tournament at my last base? WHY would people tell you anything like that? YES I have.
And A buddy of mine was called to leave a tournament because his child was assaulted. I guess there was nothing he could right because the act had been committed. Hell, who cares right? Child is a mess and the mom is in full break down. No need for dad right?

But he should have known she was going to get assaulted and not been at the tournament.

______________________
P.S. I did not sign up thinking, "I hope some of these guys would secretly hope that I was their Dad." Just seems like a bit much, and frankly some of the posters are somewhat pathetic
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Andy nothing is as pathetic to think YOUR little 25 dollar club tournament has more value and importance than anyone or thing in the world.
That is the definition of a pathetic self absorbed $#@$@#$

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Just answering your questions, I am on call 24/7 according to my job description, and am a first responder in that sense. Also, my job answers to the U.S Army Corps of Engineers so you can get with the military type response.

And I am not fishing in some 25 dollar event so you can just put that arguement away. Same for sitting around waiting for something to happen.

I don't have a BS theory about turning the phone off if you choose too.

Somebody else can handle "it" untill you get get back.

If you are so important, don't fish, due to your obligations.

And I have told my partners I may have to get off the boat unless I can reach someone by cell to cover for me during extreme weather events. (Probably breaking the rules, but my draw partner that day was more upset of my leaving the boat. It was a safety issue.)

Like I said, I would doubt the jet plane/Bin Laden attack because you posted it.

Again, the whole national security was just baloney.

So don't try to say because of a personal cell phone addiction you are saving the world because it is not true.

If it is true please post it up, or just keep talking on your phone.

Not self absorbed, I just know when to turn my phone off, or bury it untill the fishing contest part is over.

Oh yeah, and I grasp, and am on call protecting lives and property every day, so don't try to twist a simple following of the rules into some kind of unAmerican, bad parenting need to call CPS type of deal. Because it is not that, period.

I just don't agree with you.

A.G.

[tunaman]

All this talk about bowling... me and Cooch (yeah, I know - "Cooch and I") take on all comers, $20 a game and $40 for the series, Harvest Park Bowl, any day any time!

BRING IT!

As for cell phones - if there is a strict rule then either live with it, take your chances on a DQ or don't fish... as DL pointed out most of the organizations don't have strict rules and all are really geared towards preventing cheating.

Roger

[Andrew Jackson]

I too have my cell with me most all the time. I have 24/7/365 business. I answer and make calls from my boat while fishing tournaments IF it is required for me to do so. A call comes in and goes to voice mail. I check it and IF it is an emergency or cannot wait till the end of the tournament then I will make the call. My point on this topic is as stated prior, people try to justify why the rule is gay or wrong or whatever and will break it because they have to perform open heart surgery right away and it's my life line to my children and Andy I'd hate to be your child...Paleaze, Give it break.

[keithcant]

WAY TOO SIMPLE!!
Don't stick your hand into a operating saw blade unless your new name is to be 'Lefty'....Don't stick fingers or screwdrivers into wall sockets unless you want to to straighten your hair.......DON"T use your cell phone AT ALL (if tournament rules say "NO") unless you are a cheater or legitimately rationalize 'rules don't apply to me until I get caught'.

IF they are clear enough to understand, then they are clear enough to abide by......OR JUST DON'T PLAY!!!

[sTony]

After reading through the comments in this thread I now understand why I no longer fish for bass in tournaments. It's amazing how many of you pick and choose which rules you're going to follow and which you're not.

sTony

[davet.]

I am not complaining.

But I am curious, just what were you going to do about a 13 year old hit by a car? Are you some kind of EMT or something, or do work in trama center? Did the doctors need your help specifically? And if you were on the water, and she knew this would it not make more sense to call someone who can respond quicker?

What exactly were you expected to do that your wife cannot get done in this instance? She can call for help, or drive the victim if need be can't she?

Get over your own self. The world will go on, even if your cell doesn't get good reception.

I'll just file this under "one of the most retarded statements I've ever read here".

Some people must leave their phones on because some families members have special needs that may require emergency attention which could happen today, next year or anytime in between, and you just can't stop your life to sit by the phone.
And if that someone passes away and you did'nt find out for 8 hours because of "tourney rules" would be a travesty.

[DL]

After reading through the comments in this thread I now understand why I no longer fish for bass in tournaments. It's amazing how many of you pick and choose which rules you're going to follow and which you're not.

sTony

If as many people are cheating as you guys think, they sure as hell aren't very good at it. The one guy that has been confirmed to be cheating kicked everyone azz for 3 years. He either perfected it, or it wasn't very hard to make us think he was that good....you decide. But we could debate this until we are blue in the face, but the letter of the law is the way I follow it. If it says no talking on the phone, no matter the conversation, I dont do it. If it says wear your vest, I do. The rule is written in such a way that we can take a call as long as it does not help us locate fiish or better our chances at catching fish. This entire discussion is completely rediculous and I have spent time out of my life on this debate that I will never get back... I gotta go, my phone is ringing...

[blkdog812]

well said calfisher.
what did we do before cell phones. we waited till we got home or used a pay phone, when they were around, after we were done fishing.
if you know you are fishing a tournament, follow the rules and turn it off. let calls go to voice mail and answer them later at the dock.
if your job is that important, then you need to make arrangements for someone to cover for you while you fish. if you cant, then maybe you should consider another sport that will allow you to use the phone when ever.
you may not be using the phone to obtain info during the tournament, but with all the current cheating and rule breaking going on, why would anyone want to cast doubt and suspicion on themselves over a phone call.
my .02 cent, now lets go fishing and have some fun

[Marc]

It is apparent that this issue will have to be dealt with like any other rule.

If a rule is stated, and you elect to fish the tournament, then you agree to abide by the rules or risk being disqualified by the Tournament Director. Unanticipated situations arise with many rules, and the TD earns his pay by making a judgement call that competitors agree to abide by. It isn't anymore complicated than that.

Some of us are old enough to remember this exact same flap happen many years ago in tournaments; only then it was CB Radios in our boats! Ouch!

The more things change the more they stay the same....

ciao,
Marc

[g-man]

I looked at a couples orgs..

I don't see anything about phones in the rules for ABA, unless I'm missing something.

AC phone rules RADIO OR PHONE TRANSMITTING: Information concerning any aspect of fishing during a tournament is prohibited. Communication between contestants and/or land lines may, however, be used for breakdowns, emergencies, business, or personal reasons.

just a couple I looked at...

[Brian D.]

[JustinD]

G look away from this thread quick............................ I am calling everyone I know from now on on tourney day........and I'm holding spots......taking reservations now. Such little bitches.

[brambo0311]

My phone is my navionics. I have Way points and photographs of rock piles on here. It's my GPS and I have a holder charger for it on the boat. Can I just not answer any calls? Do I have to spend a 1000 bucks on a graph with navionics? Or can I just use my I phone with the same program for 5 bucks?

[TEAMDEADMONEY]

I leave my phone on every tournament but I turn the ringer off and I check it periodicaly to make sure there arent any emergency calls from my wife.. I have a wife and 3 year old daughter and they are what matters most to me....Period. If she calls or texts and leaves an important msg...I call or text her back!! If someone doesnt like it...too bad!

Pete

[Dan200xl]

What the he!! did everyone do prior to the advent of cell phones? If the rules say NO CELL PHONE CALLS UNLESS IT'S AN EMERGENCY... No cell phones... simple rule to follow... Dan

[Nunyo Bizness]

I don't think anybody is saying to do as you like while fishing, but if an emergency comes up I/we would like to know about it and leave if need be, you see to me that where this goes mute. If I have an emergency and have to leave, what the heck is DQ -ing me doing?. I'm leaving...have an emergency...screw the tournament. While I agree it could be and prolly often is used to hold spots or check something out for a friend, I only have mine on to see who is calling, the people who count know I'm fishing and will call back right after they call if its an emergency, I answer then. All other calls go to voice mail. This should be a case of all of us policing ourself, but then we didn't think someone would try and cheat at the US open either. I will continue to have a cell on board, so I can call in an emergency or if I see something that isn't right or so work or loved ones can reach me in an EMERGENCY. If that DQ's me...so be it. Oh and the what did we do before phone argument doesn't fly either, we use to not have side scan and view graphs....we do now....how is that any different?
J.Younce

John

[brambo0311]

I have a question. How many of you have received phone calls from the TD while fishing a tournament? I know I have more than once. Just asking.

[brambo0311]

I have a question. How many of you have received phone calls from the TD while fishing a tournament? I know I have more than once. Just asking.

I'm getting the entry forms next tournament and calling everyone on the water. When the answer yell DQ!!!!! Lol

[JustinD]

HAHAHAHHA....think we could do some damage Brambo? DQ's here we come.

[blkdog812]

if you read the posts/rules , emergency use is an exception..............
it the ones using it to hold spots or getting info during the tourney that people are complaining about.
nothing was never said you can't have one on board, its that you are not suppose to use it during the tourney except for those things listed in the rules.
when no one had cell phones this was not an issue. times have changed and technology has changed, so now the rules must change because people are bending the rules possibly to their advantage.
side scans and view graphs are legal, cell phones used during a tourney are usually not allowed.

[g-man]

I looked at almost all the Orgs on this site, and I don't see chit about phone use, and when I do it say basically you can use your phone, just don't cheat! So what org. started this thread in the first place?

what am I missing?

[Pearl Swimbaits]

If their is SOOOOOOOO many cheaters now......i dont wanna fish with none of you b a s s t u r d s