ReelEx is now CLOSED

[g-man]

Hey Hippie, tell Gman a "Joke" about his Mama. I want to see him take it as a "Joke".

You TALKIN about my Mother?? I know where you live....

[DeltaBound]

Hopefully so Mike. When your business is impacted by public slander it makes it hard to keep truckin'. Hopefully Hippie Chang will start thinking before he posts retarded comments.

You have to take public forums with a grain of salt. There's no reason to take it so serious that you ruin your livelyhood. People are well aware of prices and they can pick and choose whomever they want to do buisiness with. I gladly pay high prices for quality work. Plus Hippie is Hippie WTF? you start taking him serious and you're going to be in real trouble.

[Noluk]

Since I use a screen name... before I start I will say that my name is George Fedor.

I agree with Brian Linehan and support his right to express his opinions without being subjected to a mob mentality. Hippies comments were very clearly a comment aimed at the level of success that in life and business must be achieved if you are fishing with several NRX rods. Dan your comments of "best I have ever used" would certainly imply that you had one or more.

Hippie may not be the most eloquent poster because he expresses partial thoughts while typing. But he has certainly posted about issues honestly and expressed his opinions. He may not follow the traditional mode of a poster and conform to stereotypes but if you talk to him he has reasons for his questions and thoughts.

Dan, I have never met you but this amazes me. Your going to take your ball and go home because ANYONE says your business must be making a nice profit to buy an NRX? That is liking divorcing your wife because someone says you have cute kids! If Hippie misunderstood your post and thought you owned NRX's then there is a likely chance you misunderstood his post as well. No matter how wrong Hippie's post was the response of closing your business over it is thousands of times worse. Unless you are just tired of the business, customer demands etc and had already almost reached that decision prior to this event.

There is not a person on this board who has posted something that has not struck someone else wrong. I acknowledge that THIS post is going to get me some flack and I expect that some of you out there are going to decide they don't like me because of this. Just like Brian Linehan was responded too. And I will tell you right now you are wrong for doing it. Brian is truely one of the sports greatest guys. Everyone I have met in the sport I have liked and gotten along well with. This internet posting is where most people are unable to communicate the full range of their thoughts without the back and forth of normal conversation and facial expressions etc. And most people only read a single paragraph of long post and form their thoughts from that single line. It is like overhearing part of a conversation and running with that thought. Then they make a 2 sentance post that partialy conveys that idea in response. Add 20 more folks doing the same thing and you have westernbass.

[Kevin]

Very well said George!

[swank]

"overcharging your customers" and "your business must be making a nice profit"

[DeltaBound]

Hey, I got an idea.......

Why don't you split the forums in half, Northern and Southern that way people don't get their feelings hurt.

Hippie did you forget to put the smiley at the end of your comment again? shame on you

[brian stafford]

George:
With all due respect to you and Brian Linehan, I am really at a loss why anyone would defend this "Hippie" idiot. After he posted his a$$hole remarks yesterday, I decided to take a look at his posting history to see what kind of attitude he projects. How anyone could say that he is just joking is simply being dishonest in my opinion. He does nothing but berate people, and try to elevate his self-importance. He constantly makes false accusations, and tries to tear people, products and businesses down. To throw out the comments that he does on a routine basis borders on sociopathic behaviour. He has no empathy for people's feelings whatsoever. If all of his posts are jokes then why doesn't he annotate them with the "LOL" or "just kidding" comment? Again because he is not joking. I guess in his mind there always has to be a loser for him to win.

I have known Dan Isaac for about 12 years. He gives more of himself to this sport than almost anybody and he asks for nothing back but respect. He donates untold hours of his own time and money to numerous causes in our sport including pro-teen, Bass Reapers, and many more causes. He totally gets what "customer service" is all about and gives 100% to everyone he encounters. Of course Hippie could care less about how Dan feels, how hard he works, and how unselfish he is. He didn't even stop to think that he is a human being. He must believe that life is a zero-sum game, i.e. for every winner there must be a loser. Well, Hippie is the real loser here and he apparently wants his losing ways to rub off on the rest of us. And what does he contribute to our sport? Nothing but negativity.

Defending his behaviour is indefensible in my opinion. And, George, if he is posting honestly as you say he is then we totally get where he is coming from. Just go back and read his posting history as I have.

I sent him a pm yesterday asking him why he went after Dan the way he did and he didn't even have the courtesy to respond to me. Yeah, he was just kidding, right....

I will continue to talk to Dan and try to change his mind. I agree that he shouldn't punish himself and "throw the baby out with the bathwater" because of this loser "Hippie". At least Dan has principles.

Brian Stafford

[NoCAL]

Well first of all written defamation is not slander, it's libel. And second of all it's not even that. To be libel it must be a false statement that is written publicly and is known by the author to be false. Stating one's opinion about a business is not libel. It may be bad form and it may be mean spirited but it's not libel. If I think my plumber must be doing pretty well because he drives up in a new Chevy Duramax and I write it down on a plumbing forum, it's not libel. It's just one man's opinion. The correct response to a mean spirited forum post might be "Well then don't send me any reels, a...hole, it leaves more room for the hundreds of satisfied customers who are sending them to me". I've used Reel Ex in the past and I was happy with the work and the cost. I'm sure most customers were. To end a useful profitible business because of an internet post is just sad.

NoCAL

[fish_food]

Well first of all written defamation is not slander, it's libel. And second of all it's not even that. To be libel it must be a false statement that is written publicly and is known by the author to be false. Stating one's opinion about a business is not libel. It may be bad form and it may be mean spirited but it's not libel. If I think my plumber must be doing pretty well because he drives up in a new Chevy Duramax and I write it down on a plumbing forum, it's not libel. It's just one man's opinion. The correct response to a mean spirited forum post might be "Well then don't send me any reels, a...hole, it leaves more room for the hundreds of satisfied customers who are sending them to me". I've used Reel Ex in the past and I was happy with the work and the cost. I'm sure most customers were. To end a useful profitible business because of an internet post is just sad.

Yep--my thoughts exactly.

[Spookin'Em43]

Damn, I was just getting ready to send My Cardiff over to ya Dan! Thanks for all you did to help my sister out this summer Dan and sad to see that the ignorance of others has made you come to your decision of closing.

[Rick G]

There are, believe it or not, still folks out there that can afford the best stuff fishing has to offer. High dollar rods, reels, boats, tow vehicles ect... Beating them down on the internet, just because they are more successful than you is sad on anyone's part. That is where Jason is wrong. Beating down any business that you dont even support is weak. I think WB has kinda "created" the Hippie persona and supported it. This site in the last year or so is driven by drama, that it kinda has lost its focus, which is bassfishing information and exchange of ideas. I consider Jason a friend and customer and will tell him he went overboard, but maybe that was expected of him. Time for this site to get back to business, which in this economy is hard enough as it is. And Dan, I hope you make AMAP. Rick G.

[DanIsaac]

Gator, no way I hold you or anyone at WB accountable for this, and yes I appreciate everyones input, even that which I don't agree with.
Each of us has the right to come in here and post our opinions, as someone stated that's what a forum is all about.

My question to each is, why does any of us have to take crap like that from anyone on here? Some of you apparently think that its ok because thats just the way the person is, so maybe I'm screwed up then. I don't think so.

As far as taking my "ball" and going away, like I said I respect your opinion, but I won't go into it with you. Just like you not knowing me, I have no idea who you are, though I'm sure your well intended, as I'm sure Mr. Linehan was as well. Sufficed to say I don't agree.

If anyone wants to participate on this or anyother forum they are responsible for their own words, and behavior, and apparently this individual has a history. Like I said though, I didn't even know who he was until yesterday. My fault again?

With regards to my decision. It is my decision, and I certainly don't need anyones permission whatever I choose. Some may not understand it. Ok.

Just for the record, I never got into this sport or business to make enemies. If I have because of all of this, even one, then I will apologize for that.

Dan

[DanIsaac]

Derrick, I stand by my word. I promised I'd take care of that Cardiff and I wll. Send it to me.

Dan

[Rod Wynn]

He was wrong for what he posted but the bottom line to most guys that know him is that most guys don't understand his sense of humor (or lack thereof, to most of you)..

I honestly find alot of the stuff funny that he says because I take it as 100% joking/slap dick/smart a$$ humor..

This is the internet and people will say things that we all don't agree with but is it worth shutting your business down?

[Levy]

Dan, I have never met you but this amazes me. Your going to take your ball and go home because ANYONE says your business must be making a nice profit to buy an NRX? That is liking divorcing your wife because someone says you have cute kids! If Hippie misunderstood your post and thought you owned NRX's then there is a likely chance you misunderstood his post as well. No matter how wrong Hippie's post was the response of closing your business over it is thousands of times worse. Unless you are just tired of the business, customer demands etc and had already almost reached that decision prior to this event.

Best post and quote in this whole thread!!!

[Guy Williams]

So, I'm guessing everyone that had something to say here had or has seen Hippie's post about the new loomis rods with regard to Dans earlier post on that subject? What did he exactly say? BTW, yes I seen it. From what I seen with the post Hippie said either Dan was rich or he was over charging for his services to afford $450+ rods. Most if not all would have said, no Hippie I work a full time job along with doing reels...........ect. It went from one sentence to closing shop. To go from that to selling all his tackle and closing shop is outrageous to me but Dan is his own man. It does not make sense to me but I'm not Dan and he is making his decisions with what he believes in. Am I defending his post? I wouldn't have said it but knowing Hippie as I do, the post was nothing more than saying it must be nice to afford $450+ rods regardless of how and why. So yes, I am because I know him as a friend and know what he's trying to say but the screen he's putting words on is black and white, there for it doesn't translate well. And yes he likes to clown a lot, here and in person non stop. You know what your getting from Hippie from day one nothing more and nothing less, no surprises. He will tell you what he thinks whether you or I agree with it or not he'll tell you what believes in his own mind, no pussyfication on his part. BTW, he can't get his PM's when he can't log on and he never uses LOL or face icons.
Guy Williams

[Tarpon120]

Hmmm, funny how so many here don't "get" this guy's sense of humor. I have never met hippie, to me his comments come off as outrageous and provocational. This is fine and dandy when you are ribbing your friends, but to expect people you have no personal relationship with to tolerate this is ignorant. My best guess is that he likes to create shiz storms and sit back and watch the chaos. Kind of like a frustrated little pyromaniac.

[redneck27]

I really wish I could read what he said now.

[DeltaBound]

hippie said what Guy Williams quoted him as saying. I would have taken it as "business must be doing well". WTF?

What happen to the good old days when we just bashed on Mike Hart.

Dan, my Marine Corps. Drill Instructor at MCRD use to tell me to "GROW A PAIR"

Semper Fi Sgt. Marks!

[cib11b]

I really wish I could read what he said now.

Me 2..

[sker13]

Hippie is a troll.....He gets off on sitting behind his keyboard and getting a rise out of people...I learned long ago to ignore him. What he posted had nothing what so ever to do with a Loomis rods right? He just took a shot at someone he didn't know for fun?....Definition of a troll....That and most all of his posts are negative!!!!Maybe Hippie should have his own lounge....I wonder how many hits a day that page would get?



Dan good luck!....I hope to see you again at Bass Jam!

Sterling Killion

[DAKINE198]

It is unfortunate that Dan is closing shop. And if you ever met Hippie in person, yeah he is kinda off the wall but all in all he's a really cool guy. People will do or say thing in life we all may not agree with and thats ok. Thats what makes us humans. The ability to discern in our own minds what is and is not acceptable to ourselves. Thats why my location say "Ainokea" loosely translated for the haoles "I DON"T CARE" look at my face. But if any one needs reels serviced drop me a PM. I may not be up to the caliber of Dan and Reel-Ex. But I can get the same parts and for my friends I'll cover the labor you cover the parts.
Steve

[cLanderman]

I don't know Hippie, but that is besides the point. I read the comments and it was just how Guy stated. Hippie said nothing different then we hear every single day. A guy post pictures of his new boat on here and its followed by at least one or two comments stating "wow, must be nice to afford that" which is the exact same thing that hippie said. Could you imagine if everybody responded like this to a comment like that. Get over yourself.

Yeah I am bashing individuals with my comments, but its the internet and you need to stop taking it so serious. Try to relax a little more once in a while and have fun with these guys. Every site has people that just like to talk a little S*** for fun like as if they were in a room with a bunch of friends, and since it is hard to add sarcasm to your post, some guy takes it all serious.

[Brian Linehan]

Maybe Hippie should have his own lounge

If that fool ever had his own "lounge," it would be the funnest part of the site. Can't imagine what pics, jokes, and other scandalous cr*p would go on in there. lol.....yes, I put a lol at the end to be pc.

[fish_food]

Maybe Hippie should have his own lounge....I wonder how many hits a day that page would get?

A Scientific Wild @ss Guess would place the estimate at: MANY.

[offduty]

Dan
I wish you all the best in your future endeavors. I cant believe I read this whole thread. No disrespect intended. I'm starting to think I need to find something more constructive to do with my time. Or maybe I just have to admit I need my dose of daily WB drama. Does anyone have any info on techniques to post? I do like the articles but have read them all.

Peace
Rich

[DanIsaac]

Wow, this has grown to giant proportions since yesterday. My question is why did hippie lash out at Dan? Lets at least be honest.

best question of the day? Unfortunately I have no clue...
delta bound you haven't a clue either. I do thank you for your service, but I didn't need a D.I. to teach me to grow a set, as you put it.

My father taught me just fine, then rodeo took over from there.
Ten years of bull riding later, I have nothing more to prove to anyone.

Regardless of what anyone says, my integrity was attacked. That's how it was intended, that's how I took it. Did I over react?
Perhaps, but my integrity is very important to me, both personally, and professionally. Question it fine, attack it, unacceptable.

I'm sure as a Marine you are not much different.

Now, several persons have taken the time to remind me this is the internet, and they were pretty straight forward about doing so. Points heard, points made, you are correct. For whatever reason, your points hit home. Perhaps because they were so straight forward. Who knows....but I heard you nevertheless.

I made the decision I did to make a point, the point that this isn't all about the money for me, and that I would never overcharge a customer as accused. EVER.

My integrity was more important to me right then, than the business itself. Thus, I was willing to walk away to prove that point, and the point that all of this attack, negative, negative, negative bs needs to stop.

Then all this, and to be blatantly honest, I never imagined the response any of this would generate. All of the customer posts, pm, my emails are full, my phone is dead, and my friends won't leave me alone. Dang, all I did was service reels for heavens sake.

When I said I was truly humbled in an earlier post, I meant it, and I still am.

So, now I have several individuals whom I have enormous respect for that have asked that I give them some time to speak with me, and I have agreed to do so. I've made my position perfectly clear but they are determined, so I will listen to what they have to say. However, this will be my last post on this thread.

Thank you all again for all of the kind, and even the not so kind words.

Dan

[sker13]

*NM*

[bryanmc]

Dan... wish you all the best in your future endeavors. I'm sure there was more to your decision to pull the plug than a stupid remark from the class clown.

[Ray Vanacore]

[quote="DeltaBound"]hippie said what Guy Williams quoted him as saying. I would have taken it as "business must be doing well". WTF?

What happen to the good old days when we just bashed on Mike Hart.

Yes and if you remember right, a lot of the guys that are sticking up for hippie stuck up for him also .

[Brian]

He didnt say much, Just this......... And I'm only posting it because Dan said it was ok in an earlier post.............

WORD ROB wouldnt be caught dead spending that much on a rod. unless its going to guarantee a check every tourny. DAn Issak must get alot of business and is over charging guys to sport those rods.

Be careful who you SLANDER! I will bite back! Accusing me of overcharging people? My customers know nothing could be farther from the truth, and if I do not receive a retraction, you will get SUED!

sTony please contact me when you can.


Thanks,

Dan Isaac

[/quote]

[DAKINE198]

Uhhh no Ray. It wasn't Hart it was Zank. Lets see ...... Get the facts straight Or do you assume you know everything in life?

[bryanmc]

He didnt say much, Just this......... And I'm only posting it because Dan said it was ok in an earlier post.............

WORD ROB wouldnt be caught dead spending that much on a rod. unless its going to guarantee a check every tourny. DAn Issak must get alot of business and is over charging guys to sport those rods.

Be careful who you SLANDER! I will bite back! Accusing me of overcharging people? My customers know nothing could be farther from the truth, and if I do not receive a retraction, you will get SUED!

sTony please contact me when you can.


Thanks,

Dan Isaac

[/quote]

You're kidding right?

That was it?

[Rob Dickson]

wow!

[g-man]

Maybe Hippie should have his own lounge

If that fool ever had his own "lounge," it would be the funnest part of the site. Can't imagine what pics, jokes, and other scandalous cr*p would go on in there. lol.....yes, I put a lol at the end to be pc.

I know of a place where he would fit right in with his antics..

[DanIsaac]

He didnt say much, Just this......... And I'm only posting it because Dan said it was ok in an earlier post.............

Be careful who you SLANDER! I will bite back! Accusing me of overcharging people? My customers know nothing could be farther from the truth, and if I do not receive a retraction, you will get SUED!

sTony please contact me when you can.


Thanks,

Dan Isaac

You're kidding right?

That was it?[/quote

please post the entire thread, so everything is in context please.

[Ray Vanacore]

Uhhh no Ray. It wasn't Hart it was Zank. Lets see ...... Get the facts straight Or do you assume you know everything in life?

At 73 i know a little about life such as you don' t insult a mans integrity or bussiness unless you have absolute truth. joking or not.
Personaly i think this site should get back to what it was designed for Information on fishing. but lately its become a bitch site. until then i'm out of here also.

[Delaney]

It seems to me that a golden rule was totally overlooked here. when it comes to criticism the first consideration should be "consider the source". It seems to me that a lot of time, and energy has been squandered because this basic was overlooked. Hard to believe.

[Andrew Jackson]

Ditto Bryanmc. More to it....or.....Dan is really soft skinned. Who the F cares what Hippie "wrote". If you have a great business (which it seems you do) and get alot of customers from this site (which it seems you do) why would you close a success story over a dohgrade remark from a problem child on this site? Now back to the Zank n Hart thing. "Get the lead out" and "My Hart Zank when I heard about the lead story"....OK, major gay...

[wccjanel]

[/quote]
Ash, it was on the main board please bring it back for all to see.
As for Brian, u didn't piss me off. That was already done. AS FAR AS COOLER HEADS. FAT CHANCE. This garbage needs to end, and end now. There should not be second, third or fourth chances. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. you lost a paying dedicated advertising/member over this IDIOT, and I'd be willing to bet I'm not the last.


Dan[/quote]

Dan, you won't be the last. You weren't even the first.

No reason to pack it all in, though.

God Bless,
James

[bassdaddy]

It is obvious to me I am one of those guys who didn't get Hippie's sense of humor.
Having said that, watching him get his dumb azz run off this site is absolutely HILARIOUS!
I don't care who you are, that's some funny $hit.
Tree

[Rich hamilton]

geez I guess I dont have any problems... Im kinda glad I have enough $hit going on in my world to not worry about what anyone says or thinks.

Best of luck to you Dan and Hippie...

[drew]

Here is my take. I believe you were caught in the crossfire. I think its safe to say that in general you are very pro Shimano. Sometimes when people are very biased they lose some or all credibility.

I'm also a big fan of Shimano products. However I think the NRX is over priced and a poor value. This is a perfect example of Shimano over marketing a product.

I'm slightly concerned for those that will spend $450-500 for this rod. First because their making a purchase based purely on its perceived value and there is no way to quantify its real value. Second this drives the market up and our equipment is already over inflated. Third this is just bad for Shimano.

I think these were some of the reasons that made hippie lash out and of course he did it in his own immature way.

Hey Shimano learn from Sony's mistakes.

Wow, this has grown to giant proportions since yesterday. My question is why did hippie lash out at Dan? Lets at least be honest.

best question of the day? Unfortunately I have no clue...
Dan

[Rodney]

looks like WB should find a psychiatrist as a sponsor.

[Brian Linehan]

It is obvious to me I am one of those guys who didn't get Hippie's sense of humor.
Having said that, watching him get his dumb azz run off this site is absolutely HILARIOUS!
I don't care who you are, that's some funny $hit.
Tree

Don't worry...he'll be back. lol

[CN]

[quote="cLanderman"]I don't know Hippie, but that is besides the point. I read the comments and it was just how Guy stated. Hippie said nothing different then we hear every single day. A guy post pictures of his new boat on here and its followed by at least one or two comments stating "wow, must be nice to afford that" which is the exact same thing that hippie said. Could you imagine if everybody responded like this to a comment like that. Get over yourself.

Yeah I am bashing individuals with my comments, but its the internet and you need to stop taking it so serious. Try to relax a little more once in a while and have fun with these guys. Every site has people that just like to talk a little S*** for fun like as if they were in a room with a bunch of friends, and since it is hard to add sarcasm to your post, some guy takes it all serious.[/quote

I hear what your saying but there is no way around it Jason Chang is an idiot. There comes a time when joking just becomes clear to everyone your just plain stupid and you dont know any other way to act.

Mike Nance

[Chris N]

Just my 2 cents- shooting yourself in the foot because somebody pissed you off on the internet is not good business- I have a bunch of Abec 5s and some Speed Ex, I'll tune up some Shimano reels for cheap if anybody needs it. It may cost you a beer or a boat ride at DVL... I'm kidding, but why throw the baby out with the bath water?? If you hear Rush on the radio are you going to drive your truck off the road to silence it??

[Dom]

SERIOUS?????? DUDE Come on this goes deeper then that statement if your closing shop becuase of that.... then you need to grow thicker skin I aint takin no sides all im saying is if your closing down over this then you sound alittle girly to me LMAO Dan dont sweat it move on, from the looks of this thread you got alot of support. Heck That Hippie dude said some stuff on the GOD post but I aint quiting GOD!

[whazup]

I learned all I need, or want to know about "Hippie" on that "God" post. Personally, glad to see him gone. Too many of his comments were definitely NFR. Seems to be simply an agitator.

[Chris N]

The fact that Hippie won't let any of those Chilean miners get out pisses me off...