Team Tournament changes for 2011

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:24 am

Looks like there are some changes in the works for the upcoming season of Team trails.

ABA-Goin to 1 in 3 payback in an effort to pay deeper into the field. The funds to cover that will come from 1st-3rd places. This does not include options of coarse. They are looking to draw more boats and to pay back something to the non top teams.

WON- lots of new rules. No Team can fish with 1 partner. Offlimits maybe? Bill Ponting back! More events spread out over more lakes.

A/C- New Team director in Mr. Linehan

NBW- Sponser changes in the works with a possable payback change and the Petersons are now back in control in San Diego. The most popular trail the last few years and very well ran.

CBC-New team format to go with 1st year single angler events. Better up north than down here but still fun IMHO.

It seems to me that these org's have really been listening to the anglers and have made some bold changes. Paying deeper, less entry fees, more security against fraud, ect.....What do you all think. For me, I am looking forward to somemore quatily time at the lakes with my sons and all the friends I have made out there. Rick G.

gofish42189 · Post by **gofish42189** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:09 am

It's sounding good to me. Now all I have to do is decide which circuits to fish. I wish I could afford them all. haha

Garrettt · Post by **Garrettt** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:25 am

A lot of changes!! I think its going to be an interesting year. I look forward to it! Tomorrow is the first ABA central az region tourny and my partner is fishing it solo for us! Tight lines

G

Brian Linehan · Post by **Brian Linehan** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:41 am

Looking forward to the new year. I agree Rick, lots of changes! It's all about the TOC's at this point in my opinion. Anglers Choice is going to have a killer TOC. I guarantee it!

Leon Pugh · Post by **Leon Pugh** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:43 am

1 in three gets my interest.
If I can not fish by myself when necessary that circuits off my calender
More Sunday events would help get me to attend.
Lower fees and options get me to attend more events.
Tournament directors like Randy Priingle are huge, we need more like him.
Keep it up Shari and Randy. Napa, Kevin and I really appreciate the job you two do and the way you treat the youngsters is great, You make them feel important as they are since they are the future.

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:11 am

There is no doubt that the Director makes a big difference. Ya, the ABA changes are big to try and get new blood into some regions. It will be interesting to see the reaction, but paying 10 out of 30 spots is going to be nice. They should still IMHO have a "Heavy hitters option"to keep the teams that are used to bigger payouts and higher finishes in the mix. Rick G.

Rod Wynn · Post by **Rod Wynn** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:40 am

Rick G wrote:They should still IMHO have a "Heavy hitters option"to keep the teams that are used to bigger payouts and higher finishes in the mix. Rick G.

Good suggestion.. I think that would go very well with the new format..

GKramer · Post by **GKramer** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:34 pm

I think they should just handicap the "heavy hitters." Grovers minus 7 pounds; Phua and whoa minus 6 1/2; Marino and his better half, minus 5 3/4, and so on. Let's vote on it!

gk

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:50 pm

Grover fishing with his kid should be plus seven. Look at the job he did with Kyle (or maybe the other way around) :lol:IMO lower the entries further. If anybody wants a "heavy hit", step it up and help the Pro/Am events grow. Benefits will spread by bringing new blood to all levels.

Ron T. · Post by **Ron T.** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:18 pm

ABA one in three ?????? I dont like it , the added checks wont even pay for fuel expenses and the smaller top checks will hardly be enough to cover the entry , fuel and a dinner out with the wife . Without the dinner none of us are fishing

Some of the lakes will allways have the same turnouts regardless . Keep it the way its been . My .02.

Scott Robertson · Post by **Scott Robertson** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:53 pm

very funny George, but not if your listed in the handicap spots. Never afraid of the anglers sometimes its the turf that scares me. Scott

ian · Post by **ian** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:54 pm

Your dead on RON T. Another thing I was looking around the dfg permits and couldnt find a permit at DVL this month except for a bass club.
Is CBC happening? and how without permits?

TEAMDEADMONEY · Post by **TEAMDEADMONEY** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:04 pm

you are right Ian I and others didnt see a permit either for the cbc dvlevent..???

Anybody know whats up??

Pete

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:47 pm

Ron T. wrote:ABA one in three ?????? I dont like it , the added checks wont even pay for fuel expenses and the smaller top checks will hardly be enough to cover the entry , fuel and a dinner out with the wife . Without the dinner none of us are fishing Some of the lakes will allways have the same turnouts regardless . Keep it the way its been . My .02.

Remember though, if it gets more boats there will be better payouts for everyone. What I would like to see ABA do is come on here with a chart that shows a payback from last years numbers at 1 in 5 to the new format with 1 in 3, and how many more boats it will take where 1st-3rd would make the same as last year and how much deeper it would pay. Also Ron, the option money is the same as last year. Rick G.

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:58 pm

Rick... I don't think it's the payback ratio that keeps guys out, I think it's the entry fee. With so many tournaments these days, a lot of guys just can't afford to fish them all, so they find one they like and stick there.

The incentive of getting a (reduced) check isn't going to be enough of a stimulus in my opinion. I think lowering the entry fee will entice more folks to fish, thereby making the payback deeper into the field.

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:00 pm

I might be wrong but I dont think ABA has a "blanket" entry fee for all their regions. It is up to the Director, as I know here at the DVL region Jason was lower than the rest of the trails for "All In". My point was really there are alot of options in all price ranges this year more than ever, and that it seems to me that these Org's have done a much better job of listening to their customers than in the past for the 2011 TY. At least down South anyway. Rick G.

TXRIGGED · Post by **TXRIGGED** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:11 am

Team Changes:
I kinda like the idea of making changes with regards to having your partner with you at WON. But, I hope they allow the single to fish, but change the fish count to the legal limit. So, a team on the water could bring 10 fish to the scales, and if you fish by yourself without your team partner, then you are limited to 5 fish. At least the team can still get some points.

Some Sunday derbies would be nice, but as long as there not when the Packers are scheduled to beat the Bears or the Vikes, or the Cowboys or Lions, or also the Eagles or especially the 49ers. Or the Seahawks.

Pro/Ams:
I think there should be some changes. Payout to something better (1:4 would be good). Introduce some good "Rookie of the Year" programs to encourage people with boats to fish up front. I'm sure WON could surely get Sponsors to offer up goods and $$ to reward top rookies for the season standings. I also think they should change the points system to give more weight to winning the event, or finishing in the top 10. Both those things mean something, and maybe there should be bonus points for getting in the top 10, and more bonus points for winning the event.

I think they should have the option for big bass for the Pro's, and a separate big bass option for the AAA's. So, the AAA's compete against the other AAA's for big bass.

I'm undecided on the Fri/Sat derby vs. the Sat/Sun derby. There's definitely less boat traffic on Friday, but I'm sure it's difficult for the 9-5ers to get off work for all the events. Personally the Sat/Sun would be easier for me, but I'd want whatever brings in more boater entries.

Just a few of my thoughts.

Rbass519 · Post by **Rbass519** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:10 am

A change I would like to see is for the org's to do away with one lake regions. Even two lakes per region doesn't seem as fun. I would prefer three lakes per region.

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:43 am

They have. Fish WON or A/Choice in the Inland Empire region for 2011 TY. Rick G.

Rbass519 · Post by **Rbass519** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:28 am

That's quite a drive from Redding!

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:41 am

Don't be scared to leave the 530 Rob...

Gary Dobyns · Post by **Gary Dobyns** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:08 pm

[quote="Rbass519"]A change I would like to see is for the org's to do away with one lake regions. Even two lakes per region doesn't seem as fun. I would prefer three lakes per region.[/quote]

Great post Rick G. Glad to see some trying something new. The one lake regions are the killers. They all know it, but each org is afraid to try this change. And with today's fishermen, it would be scary. The best events in the north last year was NBW Pro teams.They were all on different bodies of water, It was poorly supported though.

Ron T. · Post by **Ron T.** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:19 pm

Anglers Choice So. Cal Region for 2011. Castaic / Pyramid with a night derbi at Piru for a twist . Not bad .

Rbass519 · Post by **Rbass519** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:44 pm

I ain't scared! I fished the NBW pro team and the t.o.c. I don't remember seein' you off shasta!

I'm 100% with Mr D.! One lake wonders are the achiles heel of team bassin'!

Andrew Jackson · Post by **Andrew Jackson** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:10 pm

Well to chine in a little on this one, if the changes are for the better and the anglers endorse them then great. If not get rid of the change FAST.
In regard to the same lake team tournaments, if that is what the anglers want how can you argue with it. I and few others have been beating the dead horse for years to get the "old" Colorado River venues back, Mead, Mohave & Havasu but them Havasu Girls just don't want to leave their home lake. They are ascared, except for one or two of them.

Gary Dobyns · Post by **Gary Dobyns** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:32 pm

You're right. We had to miss the TOC

Green paid us not to show up

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:15 pm

Oh... I fish other places....
It'd be nice to fish Oroville, Shasta, Trinity, Almanor and maybe Clear Lake for a division. I think that'd be cool.

Rbass519 · Post by **Rbass519** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:30 pm

WE AGREE ON SOMETHING!

FATGUY · Post by **FATGUY** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:48 am

one way to get more boats i think would be not to require everyone to pay yearly fees to just fish one tourney . example.. we fish won bass ( no smart remarks please) and we pay yearly fees.. now if we want to fish just one tourney in another circuit ( anglers ?) we have to pay their yearly fees.. how about if you have paid one organization yearly fee you can fish other circuits with say an extra $10 entry ?? this would give the circuit and extra $10 in their expenses and another entry fee that they would not get if we didn't come.. of course this would make all the tds working together and we know how that would work out .. just a old guys .02. i would like to fish some other circuits also but am not going to if i have to pay yearly fees in each circuit ?? any comments?? i've talked to a couple tds and for some reason they don't like this idea ??? bob g

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:21 am

Bob, the membership fee's are how they make their money. If you look at some of these org's you get very little more than an internet website for your membership fee's. Some have a paper, ABA, WONBASS, but most dont. Not sure if A/C gives you a membership to Basswest Mag. Last year down here in So Cal a few of the org's ran no membership events, but most of the TY was over. Maybe a 10 buck fee if you fish 1 event and the full membership, [less the 10] if you fish a 2nd one. But they need to make some money for their time and efforts. There is alot more that goes on behind the scenes in the Tournament business than you realize and they should make something for it. Rick G.

Fast 492 · Post by **Fast 492** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:20 am

Yes you get a 1 year subscription to Basswest USA with your membership.

Rich hamilton · Post by **Rich hamilton** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:07 am

FATGUY · Post by **FATGUY** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:03 pm

rick i don't understand this argument. here is an example.. numbers are just for reference. say you have 1000 expenses and a tourney with 150 entry ... now i won';r come if i have to pay yearley fee. but now here i come and pay the 150 plus say $15 penalty to be used for expenses. you now have 1015 for expenses and an extra 150 for the entry. ?? how can you lose ?? i'm not ging to try for aoy or anything.. so say someone else does pays 45 yearly fee and fishes 6 tourney .. that about 8 dollars per tourney for expenses and i'd be paying 15 so i'd be putting more for that tourney and also there would be an additional 150 in the tourney prize money ????? i guess maybe my alzheimers is kicking in again . this seems like a win win ??

DeltaBound · Post by **DeltaBound** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:03 pm

Rich hamilton wrote:Thanks for the post Rick! I STRONGELY disagree with not letting someone fish alone if they desire. I understand they are called "team" tournaments but I really hate paying the penalty for dishonest Dic$heads once again. They have actually made my decision for me in this rule change.

I find it amazing that when team tournaments are hurting big time that any organization would bite the hand that feeds it.

These poor guys(Directors) are having there hands tied once again by poor decisions at the top.

Reminds me of the article I read in the paper today where a VIGILANTE anti graffitti citizen is being hammered for REMOVING and PAINTING over GRAFFITTI! Our world is truely upside down.

Thanks alot cheaters! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8StG4fFW ... re=related

+1 - It's rediculous
I won't be fishing WON.

Garrettt · Post by **Garrettt** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:09 am

Heres the payback from the central arizona ABA from saturday 9-11. It was a 33 boat field. All in is 330.

1st place Jamie Shaw & Frank Powell 14.64 BF-5.88 $1,560.00
2nd place Pete Willis & Dave Jenkins 12.13 $880.00
3rd place Gerald Loughran & Tom Laughran 12.06 $850.00
4th place John Murray & Steve Molinari 11.76 BF- 4.67 $800.00
5th place Steve Fouch & John Randall 10.77 $475.00
6th place Paul Matthews & Michael McFarland 10.68 $600.00 + $100.00 Boat Bling Cash
7th place Garrett Howard & Aaron Heath 10.62 $275.00
8th place Tom Kilduff & Scott Owens 10.39 $250.00
9th place Fred Szatkowski & Chris Kremer 9.84 $225.00
10th place Tim Jacob & Jim Savoini 9.71 $200.00
11th place Mike Reynolds & Creston Carroll 9.45
12th place Joe Wheeler & Brian Daniels 9.21 $427.50
13th place Mike Brillhart & Matt Shura 9.13
14th place Murray White & Corey Dela Grang 9.06
15th place Bruce Johnson 8.98
16th place Curtis Palmer & Leroy Moss 8.06
17th place Dave Nichols & Sergio Hernandez Jr 7.73 BF-5.28 $186.00
18th place James Myers & Ron Six 7.56
19th place Richard Witt & Brent Gates 7.48
20th place Roy Hawk & Mark White 6.55 $150.00

Doug Warren · Post by **Doug Warren** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:16 pm

$330.00 all-in.....I think thats the problem....to many options know one can explain how they work....Have a basic entry fee with a big fish option and just go fishing.

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:53 pm

See, every region has different entry's. The DV region this last year was 265.00 all in. But my point of this whole topic was that there really is alot of different and BETTER options this year for all, so lets give these org's some support, since they have listened IMHO. Rick G.

Johnny Bass · Post by **Johnny Bass** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:24 pm

I'm all for keeping the events as pure and credible as possible...staying true to the definition - after all they are "team events." I would however like to see some type of provision or amendment allowing for two exceptions in a seven event season (one for each partner). Things come up beyond our control and it becomes a hardship. This exemption needs to be a decision the TD makes and documents at least 24 hours prior to registration. There should be no doubt, no question about any of the anglers at a TOC. Allowing an angler to compete by himself, regardless of who he is opens the door for speculation the org's don't need. The risk/reward doesn't compute.
On the flip side your choice in music more than makes up for your position on single anglers in a team event.

Rich hamilton · Post by **Rich hamilton** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:07 pm

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