heard a rumor from the AC pro/am delta tourney?

Levy · Post by **Levy** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:47 pm

fun4fish you are right on. This man get's caught red handed trying to cheat and yet everyone want's to close thier eyes and pretend it did not happen.

I just don't get it??

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:50 pm

Its because 1/2 of the poeple in here work for him!

CN · Post by CN » Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:54 pm

101-And I interperate the DFG Law to read if one Angler catches five Largemouth Bass he cant catch and keep a sixth fish. So if a team member does catch the first five fish in a 10 fish Tournament he must stop fishing right?

Team Pollard · Post by **Team Pollard** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:03 pm

if Long called them on it before they weighed there fish and they went up to the scales and weighed in and got a slip, then 10 mins later told of the 6th fish, it seems to me they tried to get away with it, just my thoughts on it. Maybe, maybe not...I hope it was a honest mistake for them.....

Team Pollard · Post by **Team Pollard** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:09 pm

Or maybe he didnt know the rule on 6 fish in the livewell, but that would be hard to believe since he is owner of Anglers Choice....

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:13 pm

Ahhhh....... That makes everything better

Kevin · Post by **Kevin** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:14 pm

Gary Dobyns · Post by **Gary Dobyns** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:05 pm

[quote="mmarkinma55"][img]http://www.strangerockstars.com/images/ ... 160142.jpg[/img] send her in to report on what really happen at this tournament

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FINALLY something good about this thread. Great post mmarkinma55 . This is a good and useful read.......................or at least a good picture read

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:14 pm

Its 5 poachers... WTF?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:24 pm

My wife said i needed and over do eye exam !!!! I think not

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:29 pm

Nice tail on that fish for sure!

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:33 pm

Cooch wrote:
It's no more dumb 2nd, than the rules that states you must have yer life vest on and kill switch attached any time the big motor is running. How many times do ya see guys sneek out during blast off, and one or both lights are not illuminated? Guys HAVE indeed been DQ'd or assesed accordingly for these, yet it has no bearing on how they caught/catch their fish during tournament hours.

Rules are rules, no matter what we as individuals think of them, we our bound to obey them when we fish in the competative events. If not, we must accept and suffer the consequences of our actions.

Cooch, get off your high horse, I said I believe getting DQed for six fish in the live well is stupid and too harsh and should be treated as a penalty and I'll stand by my opinion, don't make into something that it's not. No where did you hear me say Mark should not have been DQed or that I don't believe in rules.

2ndsuks wrote:
Bottom line is, rules are rules, Mark had six in the well and DQed himself for it.
When Long witnessed the six fish he also did the right thing, end of story!

Anytime we fish tournaments, rules need to be in place and enforced, but sometimes the penalties don't fit the infractions. When people voice their opinions, rules get implemented and rules get changed.

Take the running light rule you just mentioned, that's a ridiculous rule when the damn sun has been up for 15 minutes or more, yet some organizations still enforce it.
By the way, I've never heard of anyone getting disqualified for not having their lights illuminated.

I can just about guarantee you that 90% of tournament anglers voicing their opinions on this forum have at one time or another broken some kind of rule and not GQed themselves, how about you?

stickbait · Post by **stickbait** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:40 pm

fun4fish wrote:
stickbait wrote:
fun4fish wrote:
I've heard this guy owns half the west coast. Does anyone know what he owns?
I guess I have to ask.. what does this have to do with the topic... friggin pot stirers !!
I'd just like to know where my money isn't going in the future, is that ok??

".

That's cool...a bunch of internet bass fishermen would have no clue ..

Might be the best to call Mark.. and ask him about what he owns.. he would know best and his number is very easy to get .. you could email him too...

stickbait · Post by **stickbait** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:48 pm

Levy wrote:fun4fish you are right on. This man get's caught red handed trying to cheat and yet everyone want's to close thier eyes and pretend it did not happen.

I just don't get it??

Hold on brother... being DQed for a rule infraction is way different than stuffing weights down a fishes mouth...

One is a DQ and one is Cheating !!! There is a difference !!!

Otay Michael · Post by **Otay Michael** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:33 pm

After just reading three pages of 'testimony', in between a lot of fluff, I noticed that:

1. A person claimed they were going to weigh in their fish for fun, knowing they were already DQ'd.

2. Someone did not hear that said person DQ'd themselves and thought they had a right to know if they really had done so (I think they did too) as money was a stake for many participants.

3. A mutual friend to all, and to me, reported he did not hear said person DQ themselves during the weigh in as he stood there recording/photographing the event, nor did the folks running the tournament hear of anything.

4. The 'confession of a sixth fish' came about as someone was raising a lot of questions of said person because they had not heard anyone mention, yet, that said person had DQ themselves. Then FIVE TO TEN Minutes after initial weigh in said person came back and DQ'd themselves.

Lesson learned? That it's good for a thread to hang around, per Cooch's and friends wise decisions, until all the laundry gets to hang, as a lot of it does not show up until the end, i.e. To be determined...

PS Tony, thanks for the eye-witness account that cleard all of this up.

pitchin1 · Post by **pitchin1** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:45 am

I have worked for Mark for 9 years and what I am seeing here makes me sick to my stomach. Mark made a mistake, plain and simple. He didnâ€™t cheat, it was a rule violation. There was no advantage to have that sixth fish in his livewell, it was a simple mistake. Had he not turned himself in he would have been disqualified for a rule violation. There is no one that can dispute that.

Everything read here is over a rule violation. PERIOD

Itâ€™s amazing how many try to tear down what we enjoy and in my opinion it is beyond rational and reasonable thinking. Anglerâ€™s Choice and Mark offer the best opportunities to anglers bar none.

As you read through all the negativity just ask yourself why some may be pushing as they are and making the statements they are and think really hard about it.

Mark isnâ€™t making money off these events, I see the numbers. He doesnâ€™t need to put them on but he has a passion for the sport of bass fishing is why we have the opportunities we do at a local level. If I was him I would have folded the tent long ago.

Two former employees involved in this thread, Long and TonyS let go just recently also know this to be true.

For those suggesting he only disqualified himself because the threat of protest, well they just donâ€™t get it. He doesnâ€™t want your money or he wouldnâ€™t pay all of it back minus expenses.

For those of you that enjoy Anglerâ€™s Choice and the opportunities it brings at a local level I suggest you recognize and know the individuals who look for every opportunity to attempt to set it back.

Levy · Post by **Levy** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:42 am

stickbait wrote:
Levy wrote:fun4fish you are right on. This man get's caught red handed trying to cheat and yet everyone want's to close thier eyes and pretend it did not happen.

I just don't get it??
Hold on brother... being DQed for a rule infraction is way different than stuffing weights down a fishes mouth...

One is a DQ and one is Cheating !!! There is a difference !!!

Stickbait, you are wrong, Ths is a lot more then a rule infraction. If Mark and partner had really DQ themselves when they saw the sixth fish that would be a rule infraction and no harm would be done other to thier pride. (And dont try to tell me they did not notice the 6th fish)
By intentionally keeping the extra fish in the well and not reporting it until they were called on it is CHEATING!!!!

more info from a angler involved in the tourny: Earlier tonight I laid eyes on his day two weigh slip...no where was it written DQ. It had 25.83lbs for five bass with no penalties.

Can this be any clearer. This man is a cheater!!!!!! He has no ethics and does not belong in the Bass business as his poor unethical business dealing's stuff of legend as well.

Jon Levenson

JustinD · Post by **JustinD** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:01 am

Damn Jon how do ya really feel.......HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH.

I love it. I usually only have 5 in the livewell......well not counting the day before catch I keep in the "other" compartment.

Andrew Jackson · Post by **Andrew Jackson** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:10 am

There is a way for having a sixth fish in the well and not knowing until you get out of the water, drain the wells and hear flopping in the wells. It happens! Also my weigh slip from the Stren event on the Delta did not state DQ on it, yet my weight for the day was DQ'd. When I presented the fish to the weigh master I told them of the issue and they said no problem. NO BIG DEAL, It Happens.

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:12 am

It sure looks like a couple of guys have a personal axe to grind and are bound and determined to drag these two through the mud. Sounds like disgruntled employee syndrome to me.

I wouldn't doubt the original post came from someone associated with them.
Having an extra fish in the live well is no more cheating than smoking dope during a tournament, not having proof of insurance on your boat or wearing your license. A ton of guys are guilty of these violations, including the mudslingers but you haven't seen anyone DQ themselves for it.

Toad · Post by **Toad** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:20 am

The proof is in the subject title of this thread: Rumor

Here is Websters definition:

1: talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source

2: a statement or report current without known authority for its truth

I don't even know the man this thread is about but it sounds like a witch hunt to me! Does DQ mean Drama Queen to some of you?

Tin Can · Post by **Tin Can** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:37 am

stickbait wrote:
If he honestly did not see the 6th fish in the well...and did not know it was there till Long told him which could have happened.

Yeah that sounds logical, an angler not even in the same boat knew they had a 6th fish but the TWO guys in the boat didn't know? Riiiight.

pitchin1 · Post by **pitchin1** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:00 am

2ndsuks wrote:It sure looks like a couple of guys have a personal axe to grind and are bound and determined to drag these two through the mud. Sounds like disgruntled employee syndrome to me. I wouldn't doubt the original post came from someone associated with them.

Everyone reading can draw their own conclusions. This I do know Tony was let go just prior to him making his statement and Long left a very unhappy employee. Facts that would carry weight in any court.

I'm done here,
Good Fish'n

stickbait · Post by **stickbait** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:08 am

Levy wrote:
stickbait wrote:
Levy wrote:fun4fish you are right on. This man get's caught red handed trying to cheat and yet everyone want's to close thier eyes and pretend it did not happen.

I just don't get it??
Hold on brother... being DQed for a rule infraction is way different than stuffing weights down a fishes mouth...

One is a DQ and one is Cheating !!! There is a difference !!!
Stickbait, you are wrong, Ths is a lot more then a rule infraction. If Mark and partner had really DQ themselves when they saw the sixth fish that would be a rule infraction and no harm would be done other to thier pride. (And dont try to tell me they did not notice the 6th fish)
By intentionally keeping the extra fish in the well and not reporting it until they were called on it is CHEATING!!!!

more info from a angler involved in the tourny: Earlier tonight I laid eyes on his day two weigh slip...no where was it written DQ. It had 25.83lbs for five bass with no penalties.

Can this be any clearer. This man is a cheater!!!!!! He has no ethics and does not belong in the Bass business as his poor unethical business dealing's stuff of legend as well.

Jon Levenson

Another great debate....

None of us well ever know if the 6th fish was left there on purpose.. like I said in my fist post.. if you go back and read it..if so then that would be a big problem..

I think it all falls in to the teams "intent" what were they trying to do..????

If it was over looked well then .. tha'ts another deal .. how many times have guys bagged their fish and left the 5th in the box.. just did not see it.. it happens...

I wonder how big the 6th fish was.. a 13 inch ??? or a 4 lber???

So in your eyes .. if a guy goes 7 mph in a 5 zone he is cheating.. if a guy does not zip up his jacket .. its cheating... WRONG...

Hell ..we have even had guys carry 6 fish to the scales before..

A guy weights 6 fish at the scales .. is that cheating ...?????

Think about it...

You intitled to your opinion ,they are like assholes we all have one..

But none of us really know where the team was going with it.. do we??

bigbass111 · Post by **bigbass111** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:33 am

No advantage to having a 6th fish in the livewell, are you kidding me....

There sure is, has anyone ever been afraid of the way one fish looks. You cannot cull a dead fish right????

So keeping an extra one thats really really close to that weight is a huge Advantage.....

Come on guy's, pretty simple...

But the only one's that know the truth caught the fish.

Guy Williams · Post by **Guy Williams** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:39 am

See if this will kill this thread. Hippie, Hippie, Hippie It worked on two others
Guy Williams

Dewayne · Post by **Dewayne** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:44 am

Sorry, but there is a competitive advantage to carrying 6 fish in the boat. You open a livewell with 6 fish, one is dead and there is another about the same size. Which are you going to weight? The rule states you cannot cull dead fish.

Rule inforcement over the past few years has gotten really bad. We have FLW that seems to have almost no rule enforcement. WON has set the hight mark and AC is pretty solid with their rule enforcement.

The issue is there are many anglers who feel everyone is cheating, so I have to cheat too. Mark and his partner made a mistake and from the sound of it componded the mistake by weighing their fish.

While there may be two types of rules, to be a good competitor you need to work to comply with both types. The rules in place to maintain a level playing field and the rules to ensure safety. Both should be enforced with equal vigor and as anglers we need to support these rules and demand their enforcement. If we witness blatant disreguard of the rules we need to protest.

This is not filing a protest because a co-angler zipped his vest 3 seconds after the boat started, but If you see boat blatantly running 5MPH zones (for instance) they are both causing a safety issue, a black eye for the sport, and gaining a competitive advantage. We should be protesting them. I am no longer fishing the FLW events due to the fact they do not enfore most of their rules and all the competitors know it. The cheaters have an advatage there and FLW has shown no interest in solving the problem.

I know all the people involved here pretty well. Based on what I have read Mark could have handled this better, Long - Cudos for standing up in support of the field, and Tony, thanks for sharing your observation of the issue. It is also great that this has remained fairly civil and AC has allowed an open discussion of their rules enforcement. I think that speak well about their organization as this is about as sticky of a situation as an organization can have.

Maybe I will try to fish AC next season. Wel, if Dobyns will follow the rules.

Levy · Post by **Levy** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:44 am

2ndsuks wrote:It sure looks like a couple of guys have a personal axe to grind and are bound and determined to drag these two through the mud. Sounds like disgruntled employee syndrome to me. I wouldn't doubt the original post came from someone associated with them.
Having an extra fish in the live well is no more cheating than smoking dope during a tournament, not having proof of insurance on your boat or wearing your license. A ton of guys are guilty of these violations, including the mudslingers but you haven't seen anyone DQ themselves for it.

Let me be perfectly clear. I do not nor have I ever worked for this man, in fact I have never met him. Do I have an ax to grind YES for the following reasons:
1. His Basstrix scam he pulled a few years ago where he had the balls to tell us fisherman he was doing us a favor by forcing us to buy matching product and then personally attacking me for calling him on it.
2. After purchasing a Rod off of his website last year, I had to call these folks over and over to be finally told 1.5 months later that the rod was backordered. I then had to call repeatably to get my refund which took 2 more weeks to arrive. Here is the kicker, when I finally got my refund THE CHECK BOUNCED!!! Another bunch of phone calls later and some lame excuse that they accidently wrote the check from the wrong account the refund was finally resolved.
3. Finally last year about 3 weeks after WCB post thier schedule, out comes the AC schedule that put's every one of thier events on top of WCB events. There really is no problem with this other then him coming on here and screaming up and down that this was not done on purpose. Please did he really think we were that stupid??

There is much more and I won't even go into the lame excuses he gave for years as to why BassWest (or should I say BassEast as it is now) was months and months late. How about the tackle shop fiasco in Clearlake.

Karma is a bitch and it seems to me that this unethical CHEATER is getting what he deserved.

Jon Levenson

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:47 am

Guy Williams wrote:See if this will kill this thread. Hippie, Hippie, Hippie It worked on two others
Guy Williams

Shouldn't you and HIPPIE be fishing? Good luck to both of you. If I was to add any advice it would be not to check in with 6 fish.

Kevin · Post by **Kevin** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:50 am

This one's for Gary

Levy · Post by **Levy** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:51 am

JustinD wrote:

Damn Jon how do ya really feel.......HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH.
:

Justin, hopefully I was clear in my last post. See you out there this weekend.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:22 am

Its time to

have a nice day

Tin Can · Post by **Tin Can** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:33 am

Damn it Mark, I was expecting more pics of that reporter's ridiculous butt!

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:41 am

Mom had two sayings for incidents like this. "What's good for the goose is good for the gander," and "The chickens have come home to roost."

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:42 am

Levy, I'll give you props for being honest about the axe to grind.
I never thought you were one of the disgruntled employees, that comment was for Long and Tony.

But in my book you don't call a guy cheater unless you were right there and witnessed him cheating. Cheating in any tournament will get you automatically DQed and banned. Violating an infraction does not. Did he get caught cheating anyone, hell no, did he break a rule, yes he did, big difference my friend.

I'll bet almost every tournament angler slinging their opinion on this website has broken a rule and not DQed themselves, including you and I. If I found out Mark Mendez outright cheated in a tournament I'd never fish another tournament he was in.

Lets see the big moral authorities in here come on this thread and say they have never broken a rule in a tournament, only then will they have credibility in my opinion.

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:48 am

Greg_Cornish wrote:Mom had two sayings for incidents like this. "What's good for the goose is good for the gander," and "The chickens have come home to roost."

Greg, I knew you were straight up liberal but, your mom was Reverend Wright?

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:00 am

2ndsuks wrote:
Greg_Cornish wrote:Mom had two sayings for incidents like this. "What's good for the goose is good for the gander," and "The chickens have come home to roost."
Greg, I knew you were straight up liberal but, your mom was Reverend Wright?

Unless she thought I goofed up, then she was Reverend Wrong.

jcruz · Post by **jcruz** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:13 am

I have no dog in this fight or any bones to pick, but the damage was done when those 5 fish went to the scales. "Character is what we do when no one is watching."

BMX Bassin · Post by **BMX Bassin** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:47 am

Robert F wrote: If I was to add any advice it would be not to check in with 6 fish.

Damm we agree again Robert F!!!

I will commend WB for letting this Thread take it's course.

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:52 am

mmarkinma55 wrote: send her in to report on what really happen at this tournament

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:52 am

Mike wrote:
Ahhhh....... That makes everything better

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:53 am

I like these fishing answers

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:58 am

jcruz wrote:I have no dog in this fight or any bones to pick, but the damage was done when those 5 fish went to the scales. "Character is what we do when no one is watching."

It certainly would have been a non-issue if he hadn't taken any fish to the scales, that's for sure. I imagine if Mark had it to do all over again, he would have just dumped them all.

lunker punker · Post by **lunker punker** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:03 am

mmarkinma55 wrote: what was this thread about again ??? [/img]

MY LORD

DanIsaac · Post by **DanIsaac** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:11 am

is that a new Ranger option?????

ZX34 or somethin"?

FROGvsBASS · Post by **FROGvsBASS** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:27 am

why would they get a weigh slip if they DQ'd themselves?

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:07 pm

I believe Tony (lesser of 2 evils

) And Long, even though he don't like me very much.........

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:21 pm

Brian wrote:I believe Tony (lesser of 2 evils ) And Long, even though he don't like me very much.........

I'll bet they've both broken a rule or two in their day!

Long Nguyen · Post by **Long Nguyen** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:24 pm

Brian wrote:I believe Tony (lesser of 2 evils ) And Long, even though he don't like me very much.........

You made my pal Vinnie the Fish go away! Of course I don't like you very much!

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:30 pm

Long Nguyen wrote:
Brian wrote:I believe Tony (lesser of 2 evils ) And Long, even though he don't like me very much.........
You made my pal Vinnie the Fish go away! Of course I don't like you very much!

Rumor has it he is back...........

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