What would you like to do to change California

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:17 am

California leads the nation in deficit, debt and the amount of residents escaping to other states.
California is second only to New York when it comes to the highest state taxes and has the highest sales tax rates in the country.
With more regulations and government fees than any other state, California also leads the nation in businesses leaving the state.

When businesses leave our state we loose jobs, where will our revenue come from?

Skeeterman · Post by **Skeeterman** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:34 am

where will our revenue come from? The'll just raise our taxes more thats all

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:46 am

You're right, they're proposing that as we speak.
I guess they don't understand that this is the root cause of why we are in the shape we are in.

Lets play domino's!

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:54 am

Donâ€™t worry California will start selling dope and when they are high they will do more Art and save California for going into the sea.

Skeeterman · Post by **Skeeterman** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:02 am

After they tax the crap out of us we will not be able to afford by dope.And art that crap is boring not in lease it's about bass.

fun4fish · Post by **fun4fish** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:28 am

2ndsuks wrote:California leads the nation in deficit, debt and the amount of residents escaping to other states.
California is second only to New York when it comes to the highest state taxes and has the highest sales tax rates in the country.
With more regulations and government fees than any other state, California also leads the nation in businesses leaving the state.

When businesses leave our state we loose jobs, where will our revenue come from?

More transparency and accountability in Sacramento. Time to shine a light on the big lobbyists that control this state.

Strict supervision on entitlement programs.

Manufacturing tax incentives.

Crack down on employer's that hire illegals and reform workers compensation and unemployment insurance.

Stop govt aid to illegals.

Some form of rent control to deflate the renters market and keep people here that have been forclosed on.

More emphasis on growing jobs around the new high speed rail plan. Including public works projects for the unemployed.

Decriminalize marijuana to save on prison costs, make it taxable, and to grow sustainable hemp fields for bi products allowing further development.

Auction off unused state land.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:36 am

[quote="fun4fish"]
More transparency and accountability in Sacramento. Time to shine a light on the big lobbyists that control this state.
Agree - I would add on both sides of the aisle, big business and environment groups.

Strict supervision on entitlement programs.
Agree - I would add a time limit.

Manufacturing tax incentives.
Disagree - This is what big lobbyists want?

Crack down on employer's that hire illegals and reform workers compensation and unemployment insurance.
Agree, but how would you reform workers compensation and unemployment insurance?

Stop govt aid to illegals.
Agree â€“ take the candy away and they will leave.

Some form of rent control to deflate the renters market and keep people here that have been forclosed on.
Disagree

More emphasis on growing jobs around the new high speed rail plan. Including public works projects for the unemployed.
Disagree on the high speed rail but agree on more emphasis on job growth. As for public works projects â€“ Water Dams!

Decriminalize marijuana to save on prison costs, make it taxable, and to grow sustainable hemp fields for bi products allowing further development.
Donâ€™t care one way or the other. If you want to cut cost on prisons then â€œHot Cot themâ€

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:07 am

fun4fish wrote:

More transparency and accountability in Sacramento. Time to shine a light on the big lobbyists that control this state. Agree

Strict supervision on entitlement programs. I agree and would add, lets get rid of some of these programs or make people work for them.

Manufacturing tax incentives. I agree with fish on this one unless unions are involved, big lobbyists or not California needs private sector jobs.

Crack down on employer's that hire illegals and reform workers compensation and unemployment insurance. Why not crack down on illegals, our government breaks it's own laws by letting them stay here, why should only the employers be held liable. How would you reform unemployment insurance?

Stop govt aid to illegals. Agree

Some form of rent control to deflate the renters market and keep people here that have been forclosed on. Totally disagree, the government does not have the right to regulate domestic commerce period.

More emphasis on growing jobs around the new high speed rail plan. Including public works projects for the unemployed. Disagree, I would like to see more private sector jobs. California can't fix pot holes on interstate 80, how the hell are they going to build a high speed rail system on budget?

Decriminalize marijuana to save on prison costs, make it taxable, and to grow sustainable hemp fields for bi products allowing further development. I agree but only if it stops with marijuana.

Auction off unused state land.Agree

Axtell · Post by **Axtell** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:32 am

First and foremost California needs to be split up into 3 states. It's far too big and impossible to govern as it is now. California, if taken as an idividual entity, would be the world's 8th largest economy, and is simply too big a job for any one government to contend with. Throw in the fact that the politics and economics are so vastly different within the different regions of California and you see why we need to split.

Marijuana, for personal consumption and use, should absolutely be made legal and those in jail for personal use (not distribution) should be freed immediately.

True, harsh penalties for employers who deal with illegal immigrants. Start with cash fines then work up to revocation of business licenses. As it stands now these businesses dealing in illegal immigration are the lure for illegal immigrants. With that lure gone, their drain on our resources will go down as well.

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:58 am

Axtell wrote: First and foremost California needs to be split up into 3 states.

I'll take the state east of San Francisco, Berkeley, Los Angeles, Davis and Oakland.

Thunnus Salmoides · Post by **Thunnus Salmoides** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:10 pm

Axtell wrote:First and foremost California needs to be split up into 3 states. It's far too big and impossible to govern as it is now. California, if taken as an idividual entity, would be the world's 8th largest economy, and is simply too big a job for any one government to contend with. Throw in the fact that the politics and economics are so vastly different within the different regions of California and you see why we need to split.

Marijuana, for personal consumption and use, should absolutely be made legal and those in jail for personal use (not distribution) should be freed immediately.

True, harsh penalties for employers who deal with illegal immigrants. Start with cash fines then work up to revocation of business licenses. As it stands now these businesses dealing in illegal immigration are the lure for illegal immigrants. With that lure gone, their drain on our resources will go down as well.

You must be under the influence of your personal consumption because you're not checking your spelling! Ha Ha Ha Ha

fun4fish · Post by **fun4fish** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:39 am

[quote="Marty"][quote="fun4fish"]
More transparency and accountability in Sacramento. Time to shine a light on the big lobbyists that control this state.
Agree - I would add on both sides of the aisle, big business and environment groups.

Strict supervision on entitlement programs.
Agree - I would add a time limit.

Manufacturing tax incentives.
Disagree - This is what big lobbyists want? How do we motivate people to manufacture here then?

Crack down on employer's that hire illegals and reform workers compensation and unemployment insurance.
Agree, but how would you reform workers compensation and unemployment insurance? This is the big question and it's tied to both the fraudulent health insurance companies that set the premiums and the millions of illegals here. Imo there needs to be an extended probationary periods for new hires along with a tier system for business' with different incomes. 1099 employees should fall into a higher tax bracket so employers cannot abuse the loophole. As for UE that's a tough one since we are so in debt to the govt...clearly there needs to be restructuring whether it's more stringent requirements, more supervision, public works projects (water system,state parks,city clean up etc...).

Stop govt aid to illegals.
Agree â€“ take the candy away and they will leave.

Some form of rent control to deflate the renters market and keep people here that have been forclosed on.
Disagree Maybe the slope is too tricky to navigate, but what do you do in a state filled with people with bad or no credit? Wait for them to leave and hope more transplant here? Unless renters target forclosed homes there's no way the renters market will deflate.

More emphasis on growing jobs around the new high speed rail plan. Including public works projects for the unemployed.
Disagree on the high speed rail but agree on more emphasis on job growth. As for public works projects â€“ Water Dams! The high speed rail is already happening.

Decriminalize marijuana to save on prison costs, make it taxable, and to grow sustainable hemp fields for bi products allowing further development.
Donâ€™t care one way or the other. If you want to cut cost on prisons then â€œHot Cot themâ€

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:37 am

Marty you might as well give up the republicans are not going to gain control of ca. SO GET OVER IT. Carly who

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:47 am

WAIT we had a republican governor in schwarzenegger for 8 years and you want chance and MEG WHITMEN is the anwser now that is funny

MARTY it wont happen but good luck in nov

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:07 pm

mmarkinma55 wrote:WAIT we had a republican governor in schwarzenegger for 8 years and you want chance and MEG WHITMEN is the anwser now that is funny MARTY it wont happen but good luck in nov

I did not support Schwarzenegger, I voted for Tom McClintock. I will more then likely support Chelene Nightingale this November. The way I see it Whitman is another Schwarzenegger type of Republican - RINO

Skeeterman · Post by **Skeeterman** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:22 pm

No matter who gets in their we are screwed.The only thing I can say about them they both like peepees

fun4fish · Post by **fun4fish** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:26 pm

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:58 pm

whatabunchofidiots · Post by **whatabunchofidiots** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:26 pm

Let the state get the money for medical marijuana cards.

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:21 pm

Democrats have been running this state for forty years and look where we are.
We all know the left love to over tax and regulate, so how about starting by changing the political climate

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:12 pm

This states never going to change who runs it so stop crying like a bunch of little bitches. DOESNT MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:13 pm

Hound all Liberals and embarrass them every chance you get. In engage them and expose their lies. Don't rest until they craw back into the hole they came out of.

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:46 pm

mmarkinma55 wrote:This states never going to change who runs it so stop crying like a bunch of little bitches. DOESNT MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED.

WTF would a hillbilly liberal like you know!

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:12 pm

Marty wrote:Hound all Liberals and embarrass them every chance you get. Engage them and expose their lies. Don't rest until they crawl back into the hole they came out of.

I put that in a readable format for you guys.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:13 pm

Greg_Cornish wrote:
Marty wrote:Hound all Liberals and embarrass them every chance you get. Engage them and expose their lies. Don't rest until they crawl back into the hole they came out of.
I put that in a readable format for you guys.

The word "In"? Is that what you want me to do too?

Greg_Cornish wrote:Never Mind.

fun4fish · Post by **fun4fish** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:56 am

bump

Vince,Rod,Skeeter,Thunnus,Marty?

Thunnus Salmoides · Post by **Thunnus Salmoides** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:59 am

fun4fish wrote:bump

Vince,Rod,Skeeter,Thunnus,Marty?

If you insist. Get rid of all liberal Democrats and liberal Republicans and elect people with respect for the individual, property rights, and freedom. And lower the sales tax rate to 6%. There! Two lines or under and in my own words!

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:06 am

I just saw that a company from the Bay area called it quits and is relocating 800 jobs to Texas. You can only tax business so much before they leave in droves like they did taking manufacturing to China and Mexico. I am thinking there is no real short term fix for California with the pension shortfalls and the cost of illegals you have to deal with. Doesn't matter who you elect at this point you are broke and have taken no measures to cut costs of government. Bounce a few welfare and pension checks and there will be riots. It is a tough spot you are in.

Skeeterman · Post by **Skeeterman** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:09 am

What if CA. had a flat tax?Congress talks about it once in a while but if CA. had it what do you think?Can it be done?

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:54 am

Flat tax is OK. But would rather see a national sales tax , that has everything in one tax Everyone would pay, one price

Calif. could have like 45cents on the dollar, with 30 for state 5 cents for county and city and 10 cents for fed.

not saying those amounts but just making an ex. At the end of the year each person would know how much he paid in taxes and where it went.

Legals, illegals, tourist. all would pay. but also is you did not want to pay taxes you would spend less, there by promoting savings.

and if you wanted less taxes and say texas was charging less, like 35 cents on the dollar a person could move based on his desire to pay less

If calif and the country did that and required the state to review and vote on each line item in the budget. every 10 years or it would expire. I think it would be a start

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:24 am

The problem I see with a sales tax is the wealthy can only spend so much money every year vs all the billions they earn on investments. I would think the rich would love a sales tax. If we had a flat tax that is the same percentage for all it would cost them say 20% and that would insure we got a contribution from new earnings.

Vince E · Post by **Vince E** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:37 am

Let it burn, unfortunately. Those riots going on all over the socialist world are indicative of will happen here eventually.
Ca will default on promises it has made, period.

You can't have as many or more people employed by the govt (or otherwise tied to govt revenue streams) as you do people creating real wealth. There won't be enough to sustain it, even if the companies agreed to huge taxes and stayed. Even if the people agreed to give 90% of their wealth to pay for it.

The nature of democracy is to expand. Always promising to give more their constituents, never balancing it by trading the new for something old. Always expanding, more govt employees, more govt contracts, more pension promises........

Let it crash, let there be riots in streets and don't let anyone come to the rescue.
Crashes, when not papered over, expose bad, unworkable ideas.

fun4fish · Post by **fun4fish** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:12 am

Skeeterman wrote:What if CA. had a flat tax?Congress talks about it once in a while but if CA. had it what do you think?Can it be done?

From what I've read there should be more discussion. Getting it past lobbyists and the top 1% would be a feat. The loopholes definitely need to be dealt with and the fed needs to be shrunk down. With the current economy it just might be too much of a feat to install.

DanIsaac · Post by **DanIsaac** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:48 pm

Here's the bottom line.

This State spends way more than it takes in, PERIOD.
CUT SPENDING, and LIMIT fee hikes that Counties will attempt to impose as a result.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what needs done.
Problem is,,, it would'nt be PC!

Cut out FREE education and FREE health care for non tax paying residents. Whether they're un-documented or illegal, whatever term fits, no more freebies!

Participate for payment, and put a cap on un-employment and ALL Welfare programs. You need un-employment, or welfare assistance? No problem, participate or work to receive it.
I don't think contributing 10-15 hrs of work for $2000 a month is a such bad deal....

NO MORE road improvements. The State just re-paved Highway 92 thru Foster City. Nice! But it was just done 3 years ago. More wasted tax dollars, whether State or Federal, WASTED!

Get rid of CALTRANS! Privatise it! Competition breeds improved performance and value for each tax dollar spent.

My .02

Dan

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:12 pm

DanIsaac wrote:Here's the bottom line.

This State spends way more than it takes in, PERIOD.
CUT SPENDING, and LIMIT fee hikes that Counties will attempt to impose as a result.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what needs done.
Problem is,,, it would'nt be PC!

Cut out FREE education and FREE health care for non tax paying residents. Whether they're un-documented or illegal, whatever term fits, no more freebies!

Participate for payment, and put a cap on un-employment and ALL Welfare programs. You need un-employment, or welfare assistance? No problem, participate or work to receive it.
I don't think contributing 10-15 hrs of work for $2000 a month is a such bad deal....

NO MORE road improvements. The State just re-paved Highway 92 thru Foster City. Nice! But it was just done 3 years ago. More wasted tax dollars, whether State or Federal, WASTED![/b]

Get rid of CALTRANS! Privatise it! Competition breeds improved performance and value for each tax dollar spent.

My .02

Dan

with trucks and the amount I pay in highway taxes ,fuel taxes, heavy use fees lic. fees, then thru a scale and tickets with fees on them. The roads beat the heck out of my trucks

how about fixing them right instead

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:54 pm

I'd like it to be cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter.

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:31 pm

Arizona pays $980 a month max in unemployment. No wonder you are broke.

StockOption · Post by **StockOption** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:32 pm

Greg_Cornish wrote:I'd like it to be cooler in the summer......

Cooler???????

Heh.

That assumes you are cool to begin with.

Vince E · Post by **Vince E** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:02 pm

After the total of state employees has been cut to 20% of what is is now, have the welfare recipients fill in for their dole. Let them fill potholes or whatever. If they won't use them as fill for the potholes.

And feed the homeless to hungry dammit.

DanIsaac · Post by **DanIsaac** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:20 am

Rod Martin wrote:
DanIsaac wrote:Here's the bottom line.

This State spends way more than it takes in, PERIOD.
CUT SPENDING, and LIMIT fee hikes that Counties will attempt to impose as a result.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what needs done.
Problem is,,, it would'nt be PC!

Cut out FREE education and FREE health care for non tax paying residents. Whether they're un-documented or illegal, whatever term fits, no more freebies!

Participate for payment, and put a cap on un-employment and ALL Welfare programs. You need un-employment, or welfare assistance? No problem, participate or work to receive it.
I don't think contributing 10-15 hrs of work for $2000 a month is a such bad deal....

NO MORE road improvements. The State just re-paved Highway 92 thru Foster City. Nice! But it was just done 3 years ago. More wasted tax dollars, whether State or Federal, WASTED![/b]

Get rid of CALTRANS! Privatise it! Competition breeds improved performance and value for each tax dollar spent.

My .02

Dan

with trucks and the amount I pay in highway taxes ,fuel taxes, heavy use fees lic. fees, then thru a scale and tickets with fees on them. The roads beat the heck out of my trucks

how about fixing them right instead

Ok, but CalTrans has already displayed an inability to do so....that was more what I was trying to get to.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:07 am

Jerry Brown: Have you had a chance to check out my.jerrybrown.org? It's a great website for any supporter, from those who want to organize phone-banks and house parties every weekend to those who simply want to stay connected to various efforts throughout the state. http://www.jerrybrown.org/blog/great-tool-supporters

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:54 am

California has been run by democrats for over 40 years.
California leads the nation in debt, leads the nation in high taxes, leads the nation in regulations and California leads the nation in businesses leaving the state for a better business friendly environment. Jerry Brown is the epitome of whats went wrong in California.
I guess if you're on a fixed income or some social assistance program California is great place, but give it time, when all the private sector jobs leave the state, along with all the tax revenue they contribute who will pay for anything? California will turn into a big giant Clear Lake County!

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:08 am

I'm not voting any party line this year. Where an incumbent is running for re-election. I'm fed up. If you have "incumbent" next to your name this year, my X is going elsewhere.