I am fairly new to So Cal and the bass fishing scene in general. I want to get involved in teams tournaments and was wondering what you guys think it takes to do well. I go over all of the So Cal results and standings and see alot of the same names over and over in the top five and in the point standings as well. I also see alot of the same names towards the bottom. I think that all probably know how to cast and fish alright, but what makes the top guys always seem to be near the top? I look at Pyramid, Piru, Castaic (which is where my interest is) and I see the Siementels/Linders, Nelsons, Rini's and such always hovering near the top. Is it that they have more time to practice/pre-fish, is it good decisions on the water, secret lures? I want to be competitive, but I don't know exactly what I should put my emphasis on. Can someone please help a kid out?
Thanks
What makes a good team a good team?
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Re: What makes a good team a good team?
spend as much time on the water as possible, the top guys spend more time then you think on the water 4-5 days a week. i wouldnt say secret baits modified baits for sure but its more about picking the right bait for the right condition. there is no secrets in this sport!!!! we just all think there is till you get to the tackle store and there fresh out of excatly what your looking for.grab your partner and come on out DVL has a few derbys left this year and fishing is red hot. brian johnson
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Re: What makes a good team a good team?
Beat the fish and you too will be in the top. Some say "there are no secrets" I say the hell there isn'tFLIP ONE wrote:I am fairly new to So Cal and the bass fishing scene in general. I want to get involved in teams tournaments and was wondering what you guys think it takes to do well. I go over all of the So Cal results and standings and see alot of the same names over and over in the top five and in the point standings as well. I also see alot of the same names towards the bottom. I think that all probably know how to cast and fish alright, but what makes the top guys always seem to be near the top? I look at Pyramid, Piru, Castaic (which is where my interest is) and I see the Siementels/Linders, Nelsons, Rini's and such always hovering near the top. Is it that they have more time to practice/pre-fish, is it good decisions on the water, secret lures? I want to be competitive, but I don't know exactly what I should put my emphasis on. Can someone please help a kid out?
Thanks
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Re: What makes a good team a good team?
It's called time on the water
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Re: What makes a good team a good team?
Don't throw the same thing! D.B.COOPER 
Re: What makes a good team a good team?
Getting along with each other, ability to "get on the water" (sometimes alone), and most importantly..........communication.
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Re: What makes a good team a good team?
What makes a good team, think about this, there is no i in team
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Re: What makes a good team a good team?
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Here are a couple articles written on the subject.
Thanks,
Rene
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Here are a couple articles written on the subject.
Thanks,
Rene
Re: What makes a good team a good team?
I feel that both anglers experience and humility and respect towards eachother , coupled with good communication is the goop that makes up a great team.
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Re: What makes a good team a good team?
A good team operates on the same wavelength--the perfect pairings seem to be able to read each other's minds. When you can both operate like clockwork and anticipate your partner's every move, you've got the makings of a great team. It's a neat thing, being in that "zone."
Re: What makes a good team a good team?
Thanks guys, I respect every idea, keep them coming1
Re: What makes a good team a good team?
My sense is you are actually asking 2 questions.
What makes a good team?
And how do you do well in this sport?
They are not neccessarily the same thing.
A good team needs several factors. Not the least of which is to have similar goals. Some guys are ultra competitive and are not happy unless they win every tourney they enter. May not be realistic, but that is the way they are wired. Other guys just want to participate and if they can break even for the year, they are happy. Nothing wrong with that either. But if the 2 pair up, and try to work together, sparks are going to fly. Watched a pair in a boat one time that looked like they were going to come to blows real quick. Completely different attitudes between the 2 and they never clicked and didn't last.
Compatible angling styles is also a huge factor. I hate to fish slow. I know I have driven partners up a wall in the past who wanted to camp out on a spot and never leave. Neither style is wrong, although they may be dead wrong for the given situation and conditions. Likewise, 2 shallow water fishermen may click if all they fish is the delta, but those 2 same flipper's are going to struggle most of the year if they are trying to compete on Castaic. Sometimes a complimentary style works best. One guy committed to fishing shallow all day long and the other fishing deep can work wonders. If a strong pattern develops they both commit to what develops.
To do well in this sport, 2 things are critical.
The first is talent.
Some have it, some don't. Everyone can improve their skills. They can learn and improve. But the best have a certain gift. Aaron is one of them. I can safely say that I have never seen anyone as focused on what his bait is doing under the water than Aaron. He is like a laser beam. You can't teach that level of concentration. It is either there, or it isn't. Likewise the ability to observe, to think in certain ways, and react to given conditions. The best are ahead of the fish. Most competitors are trying to follow the fish and react to them. The best are reacting ahead of the fish and are set up waiting for them to get to them. Again with Aaron as an example, I have seen Aaron predict what his weights are going to be for each of the days of the open, and be within a pound each day. and this is during prefish. He knows what the fish are doing, what they are going to do, and what they will do after that. It is tough to beat that.
The second most important factor is time on the water. That can raise a marginal talent to an upper level competitior. Everyone can improve and only time on the water will do it. When I was most competitive during the late 80's and 90's, I was averaging about 100 days a year on the water. For the last decade I have dropped to less than 10 per year during several seasons. I am doing better now, but no where near where I used to be. The results, I would be hard pressed to be competitive day in and day out right now. My chops are not what they were. Can they come back? Absolutely. Can I still be competitive. Again, absolutely. If nothing else, I have a wealth of experience to draw from. But the instincts that develop and reaction times are not as sharp as they used to be, honed by all that time on the water.
One last comment and this goes with the time on the water. When you are trying to learn the game, and gain experience, you have to realize that you need to learn from others. If you are always the best fisherman in the boat, you are not being pushed and you are not learning all that you could be. Fact is, you may not be learning at all, but just following your same old patterns and bad habits. One of the reasons the old guys from BASS were so good is they competed with another pro in the boat all day. Everyone brought their A game because they had to and no one could hide anything. Guido Hibdon learned how to fish the gitzit from Bobby Garland directly. And he learned by sitting in the back of the boat and not fishing for the first hour of the day. And that was during a tournament on Mead! Bobby asked Guido if he was going to fish? Guido said. Nope. Not until I figure out what the hell you are doing. Ture story! Guido eventually picked up a gitzit, got his limit that day and went on to help bring the tube to the rest of the country. Some folks still think it was Guido's bait in the first place.
Be willing to learn. Hire a guide, go fun fishing with another competitor. (offer to cover all the expenses for the day) They may not tell you thier favorite patterns, or spots, (you can probably count on it), but just watching them will clue you in to the multitude of little things that the top guys do naturally and instinctively, that you can pick up on. One minute in the boat with Dee Thomas will show you how flippin' can and should be done. The level of precision in his presentation. Dee can't hide that. It is ingrained in everything he does. And by that I mean EVERY single flip is slilent, within 2 inches of the intended target, and enters without a ripple. Not 5 out of 10, Every one! He is a machine. Most guys don't even suspect the level that it needs to be taken to, but that time will make it instantly apparent if you are watching for it and willing to learn. A lot of guys can't even recognize something like that, even with a week of time in the boat with a better fishermen because they are looking for the wrong things. they are looking for the magic bait, or the secret spot. In doing so, they miss the entire point altogether.
What makes a good team?
And how do you do well in this sport?
They are not neccessarily the same thing.
A good team needs several factors. Not the least of which is to have similar goals. Some guys are ultra competitive and are not happy unless they win every tourney they enter. May not be realistic, but that is the way they are wired. Other guys just want to participate and if they can break even for the year, they are happy. Nothing wrong with that either. But if the 2 pair up, and try to work together, sparks are going to fly. Watched a pair in a boat one time that looked like they were going to come to blows real quick. Completely different attitudes between the 2 and they never clicked and didn't last.
Compatible angling styles is also a huge factor. I hate to fish slow. I know I have driven partners up a wall in the past who wanted to camp out on a spot and never leave. Neither style is wrong, although they may be dead wrong for the given situation and conditions. Likewise, 2 shallow water fishermen may click if all they fish is the delta, but those 2 same flipper's are going to struggle most of the year if they are trying to compete on Castaic. Sometimes a complimentary style works best. One guy committed to fishing shallow all day long and the other fishing deep can work wonders. If a strong pattern develops they both commit to what develops.
To do well in this sport, 2 things are critical.
The first is talent.
Some have it, some don't. Everyone can improve their skills. They can learn and improve. But the best have a certain gift. Aaron is one of them. I can safely say that I have never seen anyone as focused on what his bait is doing under the water than Aaron. He is like a laser beam. You can't teach that level of concentration. It is either there, or it isn't. Likewise the ability to observe, to think in certain ways, and react to given conditions. The best are ahead of the fish. Most competitors are trying to follow the fish and react to them. The best are reacting ahead of the fish and are set up waiting for them to get to them. Again with Aaron as an example, I have seen Aaron predict what his weights are going to be for each of the days of the open, and be within a pound each day. and this is during prefish. He knows what the fish are doing, what they are going to do, and what they will do after that. It is tough to beat that.
The second most important factor is time on the water. That can raise a marginal talent to an upper level competitior. Everyone can improve and only time on the water will do it. When I was most competitive during the late 80's and 90's, I was averaging about 100 days a year on the water. For the last decade I have dropped to less than 10 per year during several seasons. I am doing better now, but no where near where I used to be. The results, I would be hard pressed to be competitive day in and day out right now. My chops are not what they were. Can they come back? Absolutely. Can I still be competitive. Again, absolutely. If nothing else, I have a wealth of experience to draw from. But the instincts that develop and reaction times are not as sharp as they used to be, honed by all that time on the water.
One last comment and this goes with the time on the water. When you are trying to learn the game, and gain experience, you have to realize that you need to learn from others. If you are always the best fisherman in the boat, you are not being pushed and you are not learning all that you could be. Fact is, you may not be learning at all, but just following your same old patterns and bad habits. One of the reasons the old guys from BASS were so good is they competed with another pro in the boat all day. Everyone brought their A game because they had to and no one could hide anything. Guido Hibdon learned how to fish the gitzit from Bobby Garland directly. And he learned by sitting in the back of the boat and not fishing for the first hour of the day. And that was during a tournament on Mead! Bobby asked Guido if he was going to fish? Guido said. Nope. Not until I figure out what the hell you are doing. Ture story! Guido eventually picked up a gitzit, got his limit that day and went on to help bring the tube to the rest of the country. Some folks still think it was Guido's bait in the first place.
Be willing to learn. Hire a guide, go fun fishing with another competitor. (offer to cover all the expenses for the day) They may not tell you thier favorite patterns, or spots, (you can probably count on it), but just watching them will clue you in to the multitude of little things that the top guys do naturally and instinctively, that you can pick up on. One minute in the boat with Dee Thomas will show you how flippin' can and should be done. The level of precision in his presentation. Dee can't hide that. It is ingrained in everything he does. And by that I mean EVERY single flip is slilent, within 2 inches of the intended target, and enters without a ripple. Not 5 out of 10, Every one! He is a machine. Most guys don't even suspect the level that it needs to be taken to, but that time will make it instantly apparent if you are watching for it and willing to learn. A lot of guys can't even recognize something like that, even with a week of time in the boat with a better fishermen because they are looking for the wrong things. they are looking for the magic bait, or the secret spot. In doing so, they miss the entire point altogether.
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Re: What makes a good team a good team?
Time on the water is one of the most important things, but you need to be able to communicate with your partner as well. Never hide a secret bait or a spot that you have found... be honest with you partner. But the one thing you need is to find you a short guy, name him D.L. and let him be your netter...LOL
Re: What makes a good team a good team?
Some great insights are here, I agree with Dan it sounds like you are askign two seperate questions - what does it take to succeed in tournament fishing, what makes a great team. I concure a lot with what the others have said, in terms of what makes a good team
1.) Goals - break even for the year, top five, win etc... what are your goals as a team and workign together to meet them.
2.) Money Issues - get them out of the way before you become a team - I have seen money break apart more teams then anything - what do you do with big fish option money, how do you split expenses, what if one guy pre-fishes more etc... talk it out and dont be self serving - be a team.
3.) Being able to get along - sounds simple, but truth is if you are both great sticks as individuals and can not stand the other persons personality or style - its going to be a long miserable year and your not goign to do well.
4.) And I thank Eric Wong for this one - leave your ego at the door - always feed the hot stick - and realize when the hot stick has changed - on any given day one guy is going to be THE hot stick - do EVERYTHING you can to help keep this guy in that zone - unbutton his fish, get a bait on his rod, cull, run the TM or jsut stop fishing - whatever it is SUPPORT the hot stick for the time - he is hot for a reason - let him run hot and be OK being his net bitch all day if need be.
5.) Mutual Trust and Respect - you need to have mutual trust and respect if you second guess your partners instincts, you are doomed to fail together - have just as much faith in his instincts as you do in yours - if you are on opposite ends of the spectrum talk it out - ask the probing questions.
6.) Communication - LOTS of it - for us we try to announce every tap, it tells the guy on the front get off the tm I am in the zone, it wakes each other up, Fish, Net - hey stop hear - you knwo I am feeling something going on at the outside weedline.
7.) Dont fish for the same fish - I know it may sound simple, but its unproductive for the most part - If one is throwing top water, the other throw a jerkbait or senko - if one is froggin the other punch or differnt style of frog - one works lighter or deeper then the other - rember most importantly - check the EGO and become a team - help the guy get out of a funk - etc... oh yeah and HAVE FUN.
As for what makes a winning team - HELLIFIKNOW - but I do knwo that the days we have done excellent togther it has encompassed all of the above.
1.) Goals - break even for the year, top five, win etc... what are your goals as a team and workign together to meet them.
2.) Money Issues - get them out of the way before you become a team - I have seen money break apart more teams then anything - what do you do with big fish option money, how do you split expenses, what if one guy pre-fishes more etc... talk it out and dont be self serving - be a team.
3.) Being able to get along - sounds simple, but truth is if you are both great sticks as individuals and can not stand the other persons personality or style - its going to be a long miserable year and your not goign to do well.
4.) And I thank Eric Wong for this one - leave your ego at the door - always feed the hot stick - and realize when the hot stick has changed - on any given day one guy is going to be THE hot stick - do EVERYTHING you can to help keep this guy in that zone - unbutton his fish, get a bait on his rod, cull, run the TM or jsut stop fishing - whatever it is SUPPORT the hot stick for the time - he is hot for a reason - let him run hot and be OK being his net bitch all day if need be.
5.) Mutual Trust and Respect - you need to have mutual trust and respect if you second guess your partners instincts, you are doomed to fail together - have just as much faith in his instincts as you do in yours - if you are on opposite ends of the spectrum talk it out - ask the probing questions.
6.) Communication - LOTS of it - for us we try to announce every tap, it tells the guy on the front get off the tm I am in the zone, it wakes each other up, Fish, Net - hey stop hear - you knwo I am feeling something going on at the outside weedline.
7.) Dont fish for the same fish - I know it may sound simple, but its unproductive for the most part - If one is throwing top water, the other throw a jerkbait or senko - if one is froggin the other punch or differnt style of frog - one works lighter or deeper then the other - rember most importantly - check the EGO and become a team - help the guy get out of a funk - etc... oh yeah and HAVE FUN.
As for what makes a winning team - HELLIFIKNOW - but I do knwo that the days we have done excellent togther it has encompassed all of the above.
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Re: What makes a good team a good team?
having a partner that has god water as well as your good water is good. both guys having boats help because when one guy cant prefish the other can. Makeing good decisions on the water is very key to doing well a couple good decision on tournament day can make all the difference. and the most important thing time on the water, time on the water, time on the water oh and time on the water. I have found the right bait or color in the last hour of a prefish day after fishing all day with out a bite.
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Re: What makes a good team a good team?
You are asking; what makes a winning team in SoCal team tournaments?
The fact that some of the local team anglers are not fishing national trails and you may have not heard the names before doesn't mean they are any less skilled bass anglers.
Bill Siemantel and Don Iovino are both in the fresh water fishing hall of fame, their names should be familar and both fish local team events. Some of the legendary local teams have been winning team tournaments for decades; Jay Poore & John Ed Wilder for example.
You will need to work extremely hard at learning the local lakes to be competitive. The top 10 teams are all good bass anglers and anyone of them are capable of winning any event they enter.
Finding a good team partner takes a lot work, trail & error, until find the right person. If you can consistantly catch 3 lb bass on weekends on our local lakes, you will not have trouble finding a partner.
Tom
The fact that some of the local team anglers are not fishing national trails and you may have not heard the names before doesn't mean they are any less skilled bass anglers.
Bill Siemantel and Don Iovino are both in the fresh water fishing hall of fame, their names should be familar and both fish local team events. Some of the legendary local teams have been winning team tournaments for decades; Jay Poore & John Ed Wilder for example.
You will need to work extremely hard at learning the local lakes to be competitive. The top 10 teams are all good bass anglers and anyone of them are capable of winning any event they enter.
Finding a good team partner takes a lot work, trail & error, until find the right person. If you can consistantly catch 3 lb bass on weekends on our local lakes, you will not have trouble finding a partner.
Tom
Re: What makes a good team a good team?
What makes a good team a good team?
Good fisherman.
Good fisherman.
Re: What makes a good team a good team?
I don't know if you really know how much these top guys put into this! Not all of us are willing to do that. I have personally talked to some of them, the ones in question miss out on Easters at the park with the family, sisters birthday parties, neices at Chuck E Cheese. I'm not being facitious, i'm just stating that this is a big part of these guys lives. Rain, wind, snow they are at the lake while a lot of us are tucked into our beds or home mowing the grass. They are on top for a reason, let's not forget that guys!
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