Should FPT be allowed to hold a event this weekend??

[Phil]

Stop summer time tournaments. Do we honestly need them, is there not enough tournaments now?

Sorry people, this was a bad comment by me, maybe a little harsh. I'm sure DFG, tournament directors and anglers are now all aware of and if any issues of Bass handleing need to be addressed or improved on. Time will tell. It is just for me, helping Don Pedro stock Bass, and trying to raise money to help purchase and stock Bass every year. It does bother me seeing a Bass die un-needlessly, but it happens. it does bother me to see people drop kick them, abuse them, toss them, not care for them as if they were garbage & only there for them to make a buck on. Summer time tournaments are as good as the rest, just Bass need a little more attention and care, So please ry and learn how to care for a resource that we all want to be there for our great grandchildren and their future. You will never catch a trophy Bass if you/we don't care for the ones that we do catch now.

[Terry Smith]

NO TD can make an angler follow all of the rules. People will do whatever they want and we all know that.

That's a sad notion if it's true and if you believe it to be the norm, Terry.

sTony

Do I think is the norm? No. But how many times we hear of people cheating( passing in the 5mph zone, stuffing weights in fish,and having fish in cages or tied up) all the way from begining levels all the way to BASS & FLW. Is it the TD's fault for these anglers actions. I don't feel that it is. If the few anglers that had dead fish followed the TD's dirrections at the FPT Clear Lake event we wouldn't be talking about this today. Maybe I just have A differn't way of thinking But I am the only one that is responsible for my own actions NO ONE ELSE.

I guess this is why I live in this GREAT COUNTRY OF OURS!!!! We can agree to disagree and not have my fingers CUT OFF!!!!!

Terry

[Stretch 1]

NO TD can make an angler follow all of the rules. People will do whatever they want and we all know that.

That's a sad notion if it's true and if you believe it to be the norm, Terry.

sTony

Do I think is the norm? No. But how many times we hear of people cheating( passing in the 5mph zone, stuffing weights in fish,and having fished in cages or tied up) all the way from begining levels all the way to BASS & FLW. Is it the TD's fault for these anglers actions. I don't feel that it is. If the few anglers that had dead fish followed the TD's dirrections at the FPT Clear Lake event we wouldn't be talking about this today. Maybe I just have A differn't way of thinking But I am the only one that is responsible for my own actions NO ONE ELSE.

I guess this is why I live in this GREAT COUNTRY OF OURS!!!! We can agree to disagree and not have my fingers CUT OFF!!!!!

Terry

Well Terry i can say at the 1st berryessa tournament this year myself and my partner complained to Vince about people running the 5's at blast off and passing in the 5 at blast off and Vince said nothing in any press release at any blast off or at all...now remember that was march 1st tournamnent of the season nothing said at all and it happened again at folsom, oroville delta and clear lake....we even gave boat descriptions at berryessa and nothing was done....so yes you maybe resposible but the TD is the judge and jury at an event and he KEEPS DROPPING THE BALL!!! dont even get me started when i was staff and DQ'd 23 boats for being late and none was DQ'd by him...or how we weighed in at this last clear lake tournament and checked time with check in boat at clear lake at on the minute check in 12:45 got to the ramp and at least 10 boats followed us after i had gathered my fish and weighed in...easily 2-5mins late with no penalty...

[Terry Smith]

Well stretch sounds like you have A reason to complain about the FPT. Guess if I had as many issues that you have seen I would probably go support another curcuit.

Terry

[Team Pollard]

That is something I cant figure out to Terry, why would Stretch fish a circuit if 23 boats were late and TD didnt do anything about it, and all these issues he clams...The TD shouldn't have to check to see if each boat has rejuvenate or ice to take care of summer caught bass in tourneys. if you fish tournaments you should know how to manage fish.

[sTony]

So, after reading through this thread, it appears that the solution would be to not allow the FPT to run any more tournaments until they can show that their anglers are willing to learn how to take instruction and how to better handle their fish. I mean come on, its a reoccurring problem with these guys and if Vince isn't the responsible party then the blame must surely lie with a lot of the guys that fish his events and never seem to learn how to fish tournaments properly as a result. Seems that every year there's rumblings about poor fish management and his defenders go online (mostly his anglers) and come up with excuse after excuse. So, okay, maybe it's not Vince's fault. But his organization is at fault anyway for not doing nearly enough to fix these recurring problems, even if it is his anglers that are the problem.

sTony

[g-man]

So, after reading through this thread, it appears that the solution would be to not allow the FPT to run any more tournaments until they can show that their anglers are willing to learn how to take instruction and how to better handle their fish. I mean come on, its a reoccurring problem with these guys and if Vince isn't the responsible party then the blame must surely lie with a lot of the guys that fish his events and never seem to learn how to fish tournaments properly as a result. Seems that every year there's rumblings about poor fish management and his defenders go online (mostly his anglers) and come up with excuse after excuse. So, okay, maybe it's not Vince's fault. But his organization is at fault anyway for not doing nearly enough to fix these recurring problems, even if it is his anglers that are the problem.

sTony

+1

[WackySenko]

The TDs should track the dead fish of anglers in their respective circuits. There needs to be additional dead fish rules in place with consequences. We would have to hope that the anglers have enough integrity to not toss the dead fish.

First tournament weighin with dead fish:
Standard weight penalty
Informed that at the next tournament they fish in this circuit, after launch but before blastoff:
Show livewell aerators working (This is something that all TDs should be doing ALWAYS. No more dry livewell checks)
Show a livewell additive product
Have a thermometer in the livewell

Second tournament, in a 24 month period, weighin with dead fish:
All previous penalties
Last boat to launch
Checkin is 5 minutes prior to first flight return

Third tournament, in a 24 month period, weighin with dead fish:
Double the weight penalty
Banded from fishing this circuit for one year

I am sure that each circuit has an advisory board that could write something much better than this. It would be nice if the advisory boards put their ideas together to have one set of rules concerning dead fish.

[Stretch 1]

That is something I cant figure out to Terry, why would Stretch fish a circuit if 23 boats were late and TD didnt do anything about it, and all these issues he clams...The TD shouldn't have to check to see if each boat has rejuvenate or ice to take care of summer caught bass in tourneys. if you fish tournaments you should know how to manage fish.

Remember when i was staff and there was 201 boats at the berryessa tournament and we did weigh ins on the docks in the cove opposite the launch ramp cove? It was years ago think back for a minute. That tournament guys went and pulled boats out of the water then had to drop them back in and run around to the cove we was in to weigh in. I did tell Vince and gave my late sheet (23lates) it was up to him to do something about it and didnt.

Then if you remember i DID stop fishing the circuit for a few years and would just help with weigh ins and boat checks.

This year i was asked by Dan O to fish it with him so we did. I have always supported Vince in what he did and could understand it takes a few years to make things smooth and better for the anglers and the circuit. But i no longer can because of all the negativity and the lack of growth in what is suppossed to be a "rookie" "future pro" circuit. Do you guys even realize each year the rules have changed so that more and more people are able to fish the circuit. Am i against growth? No way i am not but with the way the rules are the name should change because its being a tad of a hypocrite to promote kids and families and up and comers then allow certain guys fish because they fall under the rules this year.

All i can say is enjoy fishing but trust me i have no ax to grind with FPT or Vince it isnt always what it seems to be and ill just leave it at that.