So what the deal with the new pumps in Victoria.

[BS'r]

The new pumps are running
I dropped in Rivers End this am and was surprised to see the amount of water being pulled. Not good. The water was dropping, but the tide was incoming in the south today. Is this how it’s going to be?
That’s very F#@&ed up.

So I donated, wrote a letter and joined up with Restorthedelta.org

You guys already know about this, some are involved others should try to assist. Add any knowledge for the rest of us to learn from is helpfull. I’m just catching up from the past few years. This is defiantly not good for the long term health of the Delta.

Here’s a link to a preview of the Video “Over troubled Waters”
http://overtroubledwaters.org/

[blkdog812]

what happened to the court order that was suppose to suspended the work and any new pumping?
guess it's time to divide the state.

[Gene Buchholz]

Postby Gene Buchholz » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:51 am
Subject: Over 11 million fish 'salvaged' in Delta death pumps since January 1 (updated article with action alert)

http://blogs.alternet.org/danbacher/201 ... january-1/
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http://www.fishsniffer.com/content/1383 ... ary-1.html

"The Department of Water Resources and the Bureau of Reclamation are the biggest poachers in California history!" exclaimed Bill Jennings, Executive Director/Chairman of the California Sportfishing Protection Alliance
Go to the article and read the rest.

Gene Buchholz

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[DeltaDan]

And here you have it in a nutshell ...... Anyone want to bet he has some interest in the Almond Crops ? ......"Via Proxy" of course.

Judge: Salmon protections too costly to water users
By Mike Taugher
Contra Costa Times
Posted: 09/20/2011 07:00:24 PM PDT


For the second time in a year, a federal judge has tossed out a key permit governing Delta water deliveries.

The permit was meant to prevent salmon runs and other fish from going extinct. Last year, U.S. District Judge Oliver Wanger also tossed a similar permit meant to protect Delta smelt.

In 2007 and 2008, Wanger ordered previous permits rewritten, saying they were too lenient. But in ruling last December and on Tuesday, Wanger ruled the resulting permits are too costly to water users.

Late last week, Wanger excoriated a pair of federal biologists for, he said, intentionally misleading him in a related case having to do with the needs of Delta smelt late in the year.

He was also critical in Tuesday's ruling.

"Some of (the National Marine Fisheries Service's) analyses rely upon equivocal or bad science to impose (restrictions) without clearly explaining or otherwise demonstrating why the specific measures imposed are essential" to protect salmon, steelhead and green sturgeon, Wanger wrote.

Unbelievable ....


Obviously this FRESNO Judge also only wants some very nice fairways and greens to stroke the ball on as well while his personal pocket somehow gets further lined..

His Bio on some of is past cases is full of BullChit ~~> http://judgepedia.org/index.php/Oliver_Wanger

[Hardshell]

nm

And here you have it in a nutshell ...... Anyone want to bet he has some interest in the Almond Crops ? ......"Via Proxy" of course.

Judge: Salmon protections too costly to water users
By Mike Taugher
Contra Costa Times
Posted: 09/20/2011 07:00:24 PM PDT


For the second time in a year, a federal judge has tossed out a key permit governing Delta water deliveries.

The permit was meant to prevent salmon runs and other fish from going extinct. Last year, U.S. District Judge Oliver Wanger also tossed a similar permit meant to protect Delta smelt.

In 2007 and 2008, Wanger ordered previous permits rewritten, saying they were too lenient. But in ruling last December and on Tuesday, Wanger ruled the resulting permits are too costly to water users.

Late last week, Wanger excoriated a pair of federal biologists for, he said, intentionally misleading him in a related case having to do with the needs of Delta smelt late in the year.

He was also critical in Tuesday's ruling.

"Some of (the National Marine Fisheries Service's) analyses rely upon equivocal or bad science to impose (restrictions) without clearly explaining or otherwise demonstrating why the specific measures imposed are essential" to protect salmon, steelhead and green sturgeon, Wanger wrote.

Unbelievable ....


Obviously this FRESNO Judge also only wants some very nice fairways and greens to stroke the ball on as well while his personal pocket somehow gets further lined..

His Bio on some of is past cases is full of BullChit ~~> http://judgepedia.org/index.php/Oliver_Wanger

[DeltaDan]

Since G-man could not figure out what "Excoriated" mean's .....

ex·co·ri·ate
   [ik-skawr-ee-eyt, -skohr-] Show IPA

verb (used with object), -at·ed, -at·ing.
1.
to denounce or berate severely; flay verbally: He was excoriated for his mistakes.

2.
to strip off or remove the skin from: Her palms were excoriated by the hard labor of shoveling.

[g-man]

Definition of a DRUNK!

A word defining a person who has had too much alcohol. See also: hammered, sloshed, chit-faced, tanked, blitzed, bombed, wrecked, three sheets to the wind, drunkened, loose, tipsy, defcon 1, well-done, trashed, jagged up, Irish, canned, smashed, f#cked-up, intoxicated, inebriated, aniahalated, laced, (etc.)
Every day, Dan gets (insert word here), and pisses people off.

[mrobinett]

There is nothing better in life than true friendship and support.

[hasetak]

And here you have it in a nutshell ...... Anyone want to bet he has some interest in the Almond Crops ? ......"Via Proxy" of course.

Judge: Salmon protections too costly to water users
By Mike Taugher
Contra Costa Times
Posted: 09/20/2011 07:00:24 PM PDT


For the second time in a year, a federal judge has tossed out a key permit governing Delta water deliveries.

The permit was meant to prevent salmon runs and other fish from going extinct. Last year, U.S. District Judge Oliver Wanger also tossed a similar permit meant to protect Delta smelt.

In 2007 and 2008, Wanger ordered previous permits rewritten, saying they were too lenient. But in ruling last December and on Tuesday, Wanger ruled the resulting permits are too costly to water users.

Late last week, Wanger excoriated a pair of federal biologists for, he said, intentionally misleading him in a related case having to do with the needs of Delta smelt late in the year.

He was also critical in Tuesday's ruling.

"Some of (the National Marine Fisheries Service's) analyses rely upon equivocal or bad scie

nce to impose (restrictions) without clearly explaining or otherwise demonstrating why the specific measures imposed are essential" to protect salmon, steelhead and green sturgeon, Wanger wrote.

Unbelievable ....


Obviously this FRESNO Judge also only wants some very nice fairways and greens to stroke the ball on as well while his personal pocket somehow gets further lined..

His Bio on some of is past cases is full of BullChit ~~> http://judgepedia.org/index.php/Oliver_Wanger

First off I highly doubt any golf course in Fresno is using delta water to irrigate with. It is way to far away from any delta fed canal plus I have never seen a golf course pulling water out of a canal.

Second I hate to see fish lost and love to fish the delta as much as the rest of you, but i enjoy the food that those pumps grow even more. Yes you can eat fish but without the water the west side of the central valley can't grow anything and without that there is allot of tables empty because there is not enough to go around and the rest of us wouldn't be able to afford the cost of an ear of corn, a tomato, or anything else delta water grows.

I don't want to start some big **** storm or debate but i feel like most people on here are hanging farmers out to dry (no pun intended) when all they are trying to do is make a living and FEED YOU!

EDIT:

just clicked on the link in the quote and found this and the way I read it is that he says pumping has to slow down after farmers asked for more. Not sure where the info about him letting more pumping happen is comming from


California water pumping limits

Judge Wanger ruled on February 10, 2010 to deny a request by California farmers to lift a restriction on water pumping in the California delta on

claims the limits are killing minnows [3] . The restrictions on water pumping were put in place to protect smelt that swim downstream in the Pacific Ocean, but farmers have been opposed to the idea because the limits have caused millions

of dollars in crop losses [3] .

The ruling allows the restrictions to still be

enforced by the federal government [3] .

Smelt case

In 2007, Wanger ruled that state and federal water pumps that deliver about 6 million acre-feet of delta water to Kern County could eliminate the smelt, which is an endangered species. In order for the water pumping practices to be brought into compliance with the federal Endangered Species Act, Wanger ruled, the puming had to be reduced by about one-third, to 4 million acre-feet of delta water. Following this decision, water contractors were told to expect 35% of their normal allocation of State Water

Project water for 2008. [4]

In April 2008, Wanger ruled that another federal permit was in violation of the Endangered Species

Act with respect to salmon. [5]

[Gene Buchholz]

I don't know about you but I haven't seen anybody eating much cotton lately. The farmers are getting more then they need for food crops they are making more off the resale of water then they are from selling the the crops. The dust bowls they were talking about along Hi-way 5 was all planted in cotton.
Everybody is forgetting about our own farmers around here. What is going to happen to them if this continues and if the canal is approved!!
Just my 2 cents

[brambo0311]

What's the percentage of the worlds food supply that CA grows? It's up there I know that. The problem is the gov taxes the heck out of these farmers so they have to have huge operations IMO just to survive. And it pisses me off to no end how the state pulls all this crap about the canal they want to build to take more of are water. Can't wait to flip leopard sharks in franks tract.

[jimmy87]

There is only so much water in northern Ca. I am not so sure who thinks its such a great idea to grow crops in a desert anyway. They are continously coming up with ways to farm larger crops in a shorter amount of time. I eat cotton twice daily. Not sure about you.

Who is standing up for the nor cal farmers?
There must be other solutions to socal water needs. Ground water, more dams, desalination plants or?
There is only so much water to capture. What happens on dry years?
Anyone else get the feeling this mess in about selling water for money?

[SKTR 20i]

Maybe there needs to be legislation that states farmers CANNOT sell the water they are allocated. They MUST use their water allotment for crops ONLY???

John.

[jimmy87]

The story I hear about the pumps in Victoria canal is that they are for contra costa.
Contra Costa gets water farther north at rock slough near Holland. You can see changes at the end of Rock as well.

They recently put the pumps in Victoria as the couny anticipates salt water at the current location should the canal be built.

This is what I have heard over a few years. I may be 100% wrong.

[barse41]

Did these guys forget the drought just a few years ago? They act as if there will never be another one and we will get more and more water each year.

How bout a canal from the mississippi to lake powell

[Revoke36]

What's the percentage of the worlds food supply that CA grows? It's up there I know that. .

80% of produce on the national and international market is from California. Furthermore, produce is graded. Grade A produce goes out over seas for it's superior quality and top grabbing dollar. Grade B and C is then snatched up by the big corporations like Safeway, Lucky, etc. The leftovers and poorer quality produce is then purchased by the Costco and Foodmaxx type of businesses. They buy it at a cheaper price therefore they can give you that better deal but quality is sacrificed. Compare a banana from Safeway and Winco. The latter wont keep as long or taste as good. It's not always an obvious difference but it is in general. Not to say you cant buy a jammin tasting melon at Costco but the Safeway's and Lucky's corporations can afford to put out those iron clad gaurantees because of their grasp on quality choices. Apologies if my answer was over simplified. I do this for a living

[jimmy87]

they already grow 80% of the produce. They already get more than enough water.

[VJ]

This is Out Of Control and soon there well be no more bass in the delta because all there food source and water well be gone. I cant believe people are even arguing the fact that the water pumping well not have a huge effect on everything in Nor CAl. Prices of goods will go up. Minus that one of the best fisheries in the country will be gone

[fish_food]

Second I hate to see fish lost and love to fish the delta as much as the rest of you, but i enjoy the food that those pumps grow even more. Yes you can eat fish but without the water the west side of the central valley can't grow anything and without that there is allot of tables empty because there is not enough to go around and the rest of us wouldn't be able to afford the cost of an ear of corn, a tomato, or anything else delta water grows.

I don't want to start some big **** storm or debate but i feel like most people on here are hanging farmers out to dry (no pun intended) when all they are trying to do is make a living and FEED YOU!

The water that the Central Valley corporate ag interests receive is heavily subsidized. They are among the largest of the corporate welfare queens and they're NOT the folksy mom n pop farmers they'd like you to think they are.

When the State Water Project infrastructure was first proposed the water districts agreed to fund a large portion of its construction over a fifty year timeframe since they were the parties who would most benefit. They've since reneged on the payments and owe the taxpayers millions, yet they're still profiting from a public resource.

[fish_food]

What's the percentage of the worlds food supply that CA grows? It's up there I know that. The problem is the gov taxes the heck out of these farmers so they have to have huge operations IMO just to survive. And it pisses me off to no end how the state pulls all this crap about the canal they want to build to take more of are water. Can't wait to flip leopard sharks in franks tract.

The "farmers" are heavily subisdized--they're corporate welfare queens. They also control state water policy in their favor via DWR and Water Resources Control Board (their puppets in gummint).