Team TOC Payouts

[Hollywood]

I had some time to kill so I added up the numbers from the Orgs on the west coast who just finished all there TEAM Championships. Not saying one is better than the other but the numbers for some are huge and the others not so huge..

-ABA North TOC- $50,520 CASH and a fully rigged Ranger/Mercury valued at $36,000, Total of $86,520 in CASH and a Boat, not including raffle prizes.

-ABA South TOC- $44,840 CASH and a fully rigged Ranger/Mercury valued at $36,000, Total of $80,840 in CASH and a Boat, not including raffle prizes.

-ABA North West TOC- $18,830 CASH and a full rigged Ranger/Mercury valued at $36,000, Total of $54,830 in CASH and a Boat, not including raffle prizes

-NBW TOC- $47,375 CASH

-WON BASS TOC (Combined North & South TOC) $67,168 in Cash and Prizes not including raffle prizes and giveaways.

-USAC North TOC- $69,275 in Cash and Prizes
-USAC South TOC- $59,300 in Cash and Prizes


Total amount given away in Cash and Prizes:

American Bass- $222,190 (combined 3 TOC's)
US Anglers Choice- $128,575 (combined 2 TOC's)
WON BASS- $67,168 (Combined 2 TOC's)
NBW- $47,375 (Just 1 TOC)

[Andrew Jackson]

Great to see those $$$$ payouts. Now if you or orgs can add anglers that participated to see the anglers to $$$ ratio that would very informative, and I am trying to start any BS as Hollywood stated. Good research....Thanks for the information

[Brian Linehan]

There are a bunch of factors to look at. First, the value of giveaway boats for all orgs is inflated. Second, the TOC's all have different buy ins. For example, ABA is like $460 all in. Can't really compare them to the others when they are between $200-$300 all in.

[Brian Linehan]

Also, if you are going to add the ABA Northwest region, you should add every AC region as well.

[Rick G]

One other factor is the payout amounts from most ofthe Org's include AOY enrty fee's for the next Tournament year and they look like TOC cash payouts. The value of the boats given away at the ABA fishoffs is very close in what they sell for though. When it comes to professional TOC's that do the most to promote the Anglers year round and put the sponsors they have in front of the customer base, ABA is light years ahead of the competition. Everyone thinks that because one trail regionally out draws the others that they are the biggest. In the West ABA puts on way more events than the others.

[TEAMDEADMONEY]

Kevin, those number may be a bit decieving (Not saying YOU are being decieving Its the numbers Im talking about) because ABA qualifies everybody and their brother and EASILY has the biggest turnout because of that at the TOC's...ANd those number reflect Options which the anglers pay for the weekend of the tournment...

There is no way we can get the "actual" payout that each Org spent because all numbers all combined with the options..
Personally Id really like to see what the payouts would be WITHOUT option money....

Id assume that the orgs that give away the boats still havebetter overall payouts because a 36,000 boat goes a long way in adding up money winnings..


Pete

[Brian Linehan]

Don't even know if TOC's are mandatory these days. The TOC's have all turned into money makers for the pro teams and people who rely on fishing for their income.

[GW]

did any of those TOC's have an entry fee associated with it? For some reason I think one or two orgs do that but can't remember.

[doug77]

I would like to see a comparison-
No options
Just TOC $ with total number of anglers ,for that org.
Eliminate option money and we could see hou much each org is paying back (out of their pocket)per angler

[Marc]

You forgot the team circuit with the largest average participation in the west; Northwest Bass circuit (www.nwbass.net). They had their TOC in September, and paid out $63,300.

ciao,
Marc

[Brian Linehan]

I would like to see a comparison-
No options
Just TOC $ with total number of anglers ,for that org.
Eliminate option money and we could see hou much each org is paying back (out of their pocket)per angler

Hey Doug-

It's actually super easy to figure out. Every org witholds money out of each entry and allocates that money for the TOC. So it's actually really easy to see. You just have to ask each org how much they withold per tournament for the TOC, count the number of entries they had for the year, and you end up with a figure.

Brian

[doug77]

Thanks
Also congrads on your 40+ boat turnout-just saw that.Something to be proud of in this economy
Do you think they all came to fish against Jason and Martin?

[Brian Linehan]

Hey Doug-

Yeah, I was stoked to see all of the boats show up. It sure makes the paybacks nice. I think Pyramid is a neutralizer and anyone can win.

Have a great Thanksgiving Doug!
Brian

[CHAMP200]

Hey Doug, there is one org. that if you don't pay in the "option" money and you don't win 1st or 2nd which a boat or motor might be the prize, then you don't win anything for third and so on, in my opinion, that is not option money but rather place money, which I know at least 2 other orgs pay down to 25th, which is what the hold-backs from the tourneys actually are being used for. However by operating that way they can claim the best pay-outs at the lake, and to the best of my knowledge every AOY in every trail does not get comped their entry the following season.....and you know who all three of the above orgs are

[tbob]

Hi Brian

If WON BASS we don't simply return the TOC reserve fund money, so you can't just add up the number of anglers as you suggest.

Nitro, Mercury, Lowrance and Motorguide also contribute two fully rigged boats to our teams TOC ( The WON BASS Tri-States Championships ) and also two boats to our ProAm fish-offs ( The Western Classic ). This greatly increases our payback atthe year end events to be much, much more than just the total of the money witheld from regular season entries in a reserve fund. In fact the boats are worth much more than the reserve fund, so the impact is tremendous.

All of the various organiations can make a good arguments to support their case, but ours would certainly include our boats and motors and other sponsor support.

[Brian Linehan]

My point Bob is that all orgs take a fee out of each derby and apply it to a TOC' fund. It has nothing to do with boats, sponsors, etc. Every org in the area has a boat deal and sponsors.
For example, $15 of each entry with WON was withheld when I was with your company. If you have 5 derbies with 20 boats a piece, you have 100 total entries x $15. That equals $1,500. Right? So in essence, anyone should be able to figure out what should be paid at each TOC.

Brian

[1socalbass]

Hey Guys,
This post is to set the facts straight, I do not want to get into a pissing contest with anyone, but I do not appreciate people making statements that are false, defamatory and misleading about my company. I have never used this forum, or any other, to attack any individual or organization.
American Bass provides 3 Team Classics at the end of the year which anglers must qualify for. Our qualification rules can be found on our website. If you qualify for one of our events, you can choose which of the 3 events you wish to attend, or, like a lot of anglers do, they qualify for 2 Classics and they choose the 2 they wish to attend. When you show up to the Team Classic there are only options you can buy into, there is no Basic Entry fee at any of our Team Classics. With no basic entry fee you are fishing for the 1st Place Prize, a Brand New Ranger Z118 Boat and Trailer powered by a Mercury 150hp ProXS Outboard and Lowrance HDS 5 electronics unit. In addition to the 1st place prize, 2nd through 25th place are guaranteed CASH! This applies to all 3 Team Classics. Let me repeat this one more time, the Boat and 2nd through 25th place Cash is awarded at each of our 3 Team Classics with NO BASIC ENTRY FEE! In addition to these paid places there are a lot of option pots to be won if people enter the options! We offer up to $400 in options ($200) each day, but these are strictly optional, and many anglers choose not to buy in to any of them. And of course, our options pay back 100%.
American Bass strives to hold a great reputation by offering great events year-round followed by 3 fantastic Team Championships. Rules are very important to us and to the integrity of our sport. Every team is checked for qualification status prior to invites being offered and again prior to the beginning of competition. We programmed this into our tournament program years ago to assure conformance to our rules. Every team competing in our team classics has met our qualification rules.
Slanderous and defamatory statements are too easy to post in this type of a setting. Please do not believe everything you read on a forum. I will not be a part of that type of activity. If there are any questions please feel free to call the office (310) 376-1026.

Jason Sutherland - ABA Office