If you could bring a defunct lure back to the market...

Caudawg · Post by **Caudawg** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:08 pm

If you could bring a lure back from the past that is no longer manufactured...or is now manufactured by a different company but not as well... what lure would that be? (feel free to share currently manufactured lures with a discontinued color you'd love to see come back.

I'll start with one of my favorite crankbaits: Bagley's DB-3 in Bone/Orange Belly. The Bagley's company is being re-launched by new ownership (who know what they are doing, I think!) ...but Bone/Orange belly is not yet on the color chart from what I have seen.

Note: I was sponsored by Poe's years ago but there were times that the Bagley's DB-3 was still a favorite go-to bait

Hawg44Hustler · Post by **Hawg44Hustler** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:53 pm

OG WIGGLE WART

gobigred53 · Post by **gobigred53** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:50 pm

SPEEDTRAP

Hawg44Hustler · Post by **Hawg44Hustler** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:15 pm

+1 on the speed trap
& the og HUDD the new baits are not the same. dont ask me why but they dont get the same amount of bites. And don't even get me started on the OG full size PUNKER. The new ones are not the same

Kelly Ripa · Post by **Kelly Ripa** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:24 pm

Original craw colored<Brown back white belly> F-7 fat rap...I'm down to my skiviees.....Oh add a Roland Martin Dbl. buzz by Blue Fox...Any color.............

Tony P · Post by **Tony P** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:33 pm

Kleins Weapon Jig.

dockboy · Post by **dockboy** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:09 pm

the og HUDD the new baits are not the same. dont ask me why but they dont get the same amount of bites

Some of the QC has slacked on Hudds. But I think the bite ratio has more to do with the amount of guys that throw the Hudd. Its seems everyone throws a Hudd today, and most fish in our lakes have seen one or two in their lifetime.

I miss the Specialty Tackle Junior D. Great crank with very small size and it presented that small profile in deeper water than most small cranks.

poacher · Post by **poacher** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:47 pm

baitsmith mag trouts wish ken would step up and make a biggger better hudd

Hawg44Hustler · Post by **Hawg44Hustler** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:54 am

I agree that the HUDD is being thrown every where and the fish see it a lot. But I still feel like its your best chance at catching a giant. The bait just has everything needed to make truley giant fish eat a lure but the new, mass poured baits are just not the same. And yes I would love to see Ken make some knew stuff, bigger, better, or whatever. That dude KNOWS how to make amazing baits

Tony Lain · Post by **Tony Lain** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:55 am

OG top water Vixen with "high pitch" rattles.

dwise · Post by **dwise** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:14 am

Rapala Fat Rap, and Rattlin' Fat Rap

Caudawg · Post by **Caudawg** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:40 am

Although I consider myself to be a bubba bait fisherman...those old Cato's Lit'l Bits used save my butt when the bite was tough.

Calmassey · Post by **Calmassey** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:57 am

Hey Dockboy,

ABT makes the X2 Mini now that is an improved version of the Junior D. Same small profile, hooks dont tangle on this one and has same knocker/weight transfer system and actualy dives about a foot deeper.

Check it out. It will be your new fav!

Best,
Charley

redneck078 · Post by **redneck078** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:26 am

VIXEN All the way!

Dave Wilson · Post by **Dave Wilson** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:54 am

Barely legal vixen. Original balsa wood sammy. Robo zipper jr. in Gold Shad. And Yamamoto 6 inch Hula Grub in Cinnamon with Black Flake.

Hawg44Hustler · Post by **Hawg44Hustler** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:42 pm

Cant believe someone posted the Cato worm. Hands down the best slider worm ever. I think I have 2 left and they only get thrown on the toughest of derbie days. Im pretty sure the mold is lost

Ray Vanacore · Post by **Ray Vanacore** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:42 pm

Rapala Rattlin Fat Raps
I have a dozen of the original Rattlin Fat raps Brand new in the boxI.
Ray Vanacore

jiggin4bass · Post by **jiggin4bass** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:52 pm

Brawley bugs

To Fishee · Post by **To Fishee** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:58 pm

Ichiban Balsa Pro top water.

jazzwannabe · Post by **jazzwannabe** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:40 pm

Original Fleck spinnerbait, double Colorado.

dockboy · Post by **dockboy** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:58 pm

Hey Dockboy,

ABT makes the X2 Mini now that is an improved version of the Junior D. Same small profile, hooks dont tangle on this one and has same knocker/weight transfer system and actualy dives about a foot deeper.

Check it out. It will be your new fav!

Thank you!

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:35 am

Yozuri 3D Vibe. 3/8 oz, but it casts like a bullet, and it's the perfect size for when the shad are smaller.

Oldschool · Post by **Oldschool** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:31 pm

STI Pup Fish 8" trout, $200 on EBay is a little steep!
Haddock twin spins so I don't have to make my own and Pedigo L3 lizards for the same reason...I bet you could sell 100 a year!
Tom

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:28 pm

The Bill Dance TALKING JIG!!! LOL Do Yall remember those back in the early 90's they came in a nice case and had 2 jigs that when the got wet they would emmitt a clicking sound. $49.99 LMAO I bought em and I know I never used em but for the life of me I cant find em . So went checking on ebay and nothing

But for reals Kalins western Weenie 4 in. worm in Purple I caught alot of fish split shotting those

And the OG VIXEN by RI

Hawg44Hustler · Post by **Hawg44Hustler** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:07 pm

original berkley finesse worm in purple. the best worm ever at Mead

Scott Robertson · Post by **Scott Robertson** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:33 pm

the vixen... nuff said. Scott

surfk9 · Post by **surfk9** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:48 pm

A lure my father used in the sixties/seventies.....the Fred Arbogast Hawaiian Wiggler....we caught crazy numbers of fish at san antonio & Naci!!!

lunker punker · Post by **lunker punker** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:59 pm

Hawg44Hustler wrote:+1 on the speed trap
& the og HUDD the new baits are not the same. dont ask me why but they dont get the same amount of bites. And don't even get me started on the OG full size PUNKER. The new ones are not the same

This is an intriguing topic. My vote is for the bayou boogie in all sizes. As for the punker difference, I would like to talk to you about the differences you speak of. I could better serve you with more details and would be happy to hear your opinion and experiences. Send me a pm with your contact info. Thanks.

Jeremy

Bass Pro Shopper · Post by **Bass Pro Shopper** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:23 pm

Red's Worms in motor oil red flake.

bazs · Post by **bazs** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:08 pm

The Ditto Co. Gator Tail Worm! The zoom G Tail is close but not the same
And throw in the Mann's Classic Spinnerbait 1/2 oz with original vinyl skirt

Bazs

D.B.COOPER · Post by **D.B.COOPER** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:32 pm

Super Pork! Could not believe they shut down. Just cannot beat pork in the winter to pre spawn. I need my pork fix! Any pork out there that is comparable? D.B.COOPER

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:52 am

D.B.COOPER wrote:Super Pork! Could not believe they shut down. Just cannot beat pork in the winter to pre spawn. I need my pork fix! Any pork out there that is comparable? D.B.COOPER

There is still some floating around, did a search and bought all that I would use a while back

Oldschool · Post by **Oldschool** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:25 am

Rod Martin wrote:
D.B.COOPER wrote:Super Pork! Could not believe they shut down. Just cannot beat pork in the winter to pre spawn. I need my pork fix! Any pork out there that is comparable? D.B.COOPER
There is still some floating around, did a search and bought all that I would use a while back

The sad thing with Super kPork going out of business is Robin was the only source for custom pork trailers like the obsolete Pedigo L3 , L4 and others. You should be able to find Super Pork on the self somewhere at a discounted price, only a handfull of angers fish pork trailers today.
Tom

Oldschool · Post by **Oldschool** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:50 am

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Oldschool · Post by **Oldschool** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:52 am

Oldschool wrote:
Caudawg wrote:Although I consider myself to be a bubba bait fisherman...those old Cato's Lit'l Bits used save my butt when the bite was tough.

The one thing about soft plastics is you can always find a custom hand pour to duplicate obsolete hand pours like Josh Upton. It's the injection molded worms like the Action worm with all the fine details that can't be replaced without expensive tooling.
Thank you for posting this thread, we need more like it!
Tom

kane-o · Post by **kane-o** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:53 am

pre rapala wiggle warts, and magnum warts...

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:29 pm

Kane-o I agree I found a black and red storm wiggle wart on the delta in the rocks about 4 weeks ago I decided to tie that thing on 2 week ends ago and I tore em up on that bait the rear hook was changed out but other then that it looked stock. I out fished my son he was throwing a black red speed trap 5 to 1 amazing baits I never thru em back in the day but came home and bought 3 of the same baits (not the rapala one but the storms) off ebay new in pack

The speed trap use to be my goto showloow water bait not no more

Andy Giannini · Post by **Andy Giannini** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:52 pm

Quick note on the Warts and Speed Trap.

The Wiggle Warts became a better lure due to wear on the injection molds. They became a bit more off balance and worked great. Rapala bought Storm and built new molds killing the action of it.

This was discovered by Tom Seward as he was studying Warts to create a new lure for Worden's called a "Fatfish" not a typo it is not a "Flatfish". It has some like profile but has the wide slow wobble that the original Wart lost. He explained this task of coming up with a new lure that cycled slowly for Salmon was a challange as his more recent work was high frequency vibration and tight action with a high cyclic rate during retrieve.

The Speed Trap which he also designed, ran into trouble not just from being built in other places, but by Lure Jensens attempts to improve lure durability due to complaints. He had already left that company, but evaluated the new improved Speed Trap and told me, "They just ate that mold, just killed the action of the lure..." He was not happy, but it was his baby anymore. .02 A.G.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:48 pm

I do remember the Speed trap story and it was a catch 22 I remember throwing the OG speed traps and they worked great but man one small smack on a delta levee rock and CRACK! Or the lip broke and een back then at 5 bucks a pop they got exspensive . Then they made em more durable and you are right they dont fish the same . Thanks for the info on the Warts I think i am gonna buy a few more

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:52 pm

Andy

Any info on the Timber tiger? I heard the same guy who made the speed trap made the timber tiger they never really took off like the speed traps I do have a few in the boat but dont throw em much. Sorry not trying to hijack the thread just descussing old baits

kane-o · Post by **kane-o** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:02 pm

dom, i have quite a collection of pre rapala warts and mag warts, around 25 of them.... boxes are storm brand.. hard to find.. i found a good source and can usually get them for $5.00 and some $10... but some of them are going for $25 ea. been finding myself buying a lot of them and other vintage lures too.. love the warts though !! even have some n.i.b. chug bugs.. also storm, pre rapala.. if you google vintage lures you can find some amazing stuff.. things you never knew existed.. some as far back as early 1900's.. very cool..

Andy Giannini · Post by **Andy Giannini** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:55 pm

Dom,

I know a few things about the Timber Tiger series of baits having fished for Y.B.C. or Worden's and got a chance to work with Tom Seward as a Pro-Staffer.

Think of them as Speed Traps that evolved. They have like features, and more.

But, I think going on about them would derail this thread further.

Regards,

A.G.

topdawg2700 · Post by **topdawg2700** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:06 pm

FYI....I have quite a few of the old american made speed traps (ones with the bb's/old rattles in them) that I will be custom painting in the next few months and selling....just saying..

I have several orders to paint first before I get to these but will post them on here first. Should be perfect for next year.

Steve

Callahan's Custom Tackle

CATCHEMCARO · Post by **CATCHEMCARO** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:57 pm

I would love to get some Manns Mister Twisters in grape or strawberry also, a few Poes RC3's in a craw paturn. Good topic! And how about the fast cast triggers on Shimano spinning reels.
Rich

bmshepherd · Post by **bmshepherd** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:13 pm

Reaction Innovations changed the color of payback....that was my favorite color...i don't really like the new one too much

Andy Giannini · Post by **Andy Giannini** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:06 pm

I kind of liked Culprit Softy craws.

Then I got into Guido Bugs which I have a ton of.

Wonder if they are shooting Culprit Craws?

And then for awhile Culprit was putting some fuzzy stuff in the worms, so the fish couldn't spit it, like velcro on fish teeth.....

Cooch · Post by **Cooch** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:27 pm

Strike King's BoHog Pork!
Gene Larew's 5" craws, especially that watermelon red flake thing with the burnt orange claws!

mike at robo · Post by **mike at robo** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:29 pm

8" blue fliptails , used to fish um at Casitas as a kid off the bank and whack um all day.And that was before they even put water in it ......

dwise · Post by **dwise** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:16 pm

Okay...I just sent an email to Rapala telling them to bring back the Fat Raps and asking them why they discontinued a great lure! I'm on a mission to BRING BACK the FAT RAPS!