Is it Fair?

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:24 pm

Not to keep this WR thing going but I had a question do yall think it's fair that any fish in California Trout Stocked lakes should be concidered a record anyway?

If the facts are correct and Perry's fish did infact go over the 22 lb mark then that means the fish got that way in its natural invoirment. I just got of the phone with a good friend of mine in Dallas Texas and he is telling me that the general concensus down there is we are cheating!!!

That the rest of the world feels we have an unfair advantage. I can tell ya I was dumb founded I mean I can see his point but then again I can only play the cards delt to me. I really dont know where all that falls but I think the IFGA needs to put some serious time and serious thought into the whole WR thing.

Personally I am mixed I feel the catch was a awsome fish and every bit of 25 lbs. and the angler should be commended for the catch

but then again if they do certify this thing as the WR alot of guys just lost out meaning heck how many years did the 22lb mark stand? Now imagine 25 ld'er ! I can bet in my life time I will not ever see it broke again. It just seems to taboo to see a fish over 25 lbs again any time soon.

Just thinking , I know I try not to do to much of it because it ussally just gets me trouble in the long run anyway LOL LOL LOL

R Marxmiller · Post by **R Marxmiller** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:41 pm

Those guys in Texas just have a BAD case of BASS ENVY!

Rydaddy · Post by **Rydaddy** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:47 pm

When you have all these trout stocked lakes and the delta in your state you are fishing in the place too be I think it is so called a hater what if they brought in that fish

bahlzar · Post by **bahlzar** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:23 pm

they need to "move to where the food is" IMHO

gabuelhaj · Post by **gabuelhaj** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:33 pm

as long the fish don't do steriods, then it's fair!

R.Mac · Post by **R.Mac** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:36 pm

I was kind of thinking the same thing about stocked lakes. Especially if it is a small impound where ya don't have to look at miles of lake or shoreline to find the best spawning areas.Can a person raise a world record bass in a private pond on a diet of high protein trout and be the only one who can angle for it? Are they going to start checking for steroid use by the fish???(unknowingly of course). I guess in the mean time, I for one will be happy as hell to catch a 5 pounder, and will feel very fortunate to get the occasional 8Lb'r+. Lotsa luck.

shellman98 · Post by **shellman98** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:45 pm

maybee that fish didnt like, eat, trout, maybee need to do dna samples to see if she had traces of trout in her bio, pedro is full of trout but no 25s from there yet, if your buddies would have caught the fish in dixon it wouldnt have mattered if she ate big macs or pizza

Fish Chris · Post by **Fish Chris** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:54 pm

when you said > but then again if they do certify this thing as the WR <
....don't worry. They wont. In fact, their has been some talk that Mac Weakly does not even intend to submit it for a WR. The fact that the IGFA is still going to consider it, is just a lame attempt for them to get some more attention, and maybe some more memberships.

So, would it have been fair to consider this fish for a WR, if it had been hooked in the mouth ??? Well heck yea' !

I totally agree with the others here when it was said, those other states just have a bad case of big bass envy. If they want to live in a state with the biggest bass, they need to move to Cali.

Anyway, it was a flat out giant bass.... the biggest the world has ever seen.

I have heard that Mac Weakly is a good guy, and a great sight fisherman. Everyone here should know that Mac's previous PB bass was a monster of 19 plus lbs ! Mac isn't just some clueless goofball who got astronomically lucky. He knows what he's doing.

And finally, anybody who has spent enough time with a line in the water, whether it be for sight fishing, or general casting into the abyss, has certainly reeled in a fish or two, that was not hooked in the mouth. Personally, I think Mac is too good to have snagged this fish on purpose.

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Some of this might have fallen into another one of the WR threads better....... but wherever, whatever, for what its worth.....

Peace,
Fish

492slayer · Post by **492slayer** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:59 pm

Two things come to mind.... 1st. the guy snagged the fish, he did not catch it. 2nd, you can decide how you feel about WR anyway you want, but personally I don't think George Perry ever anchored a boat for 8 hours on top of his WR bass and threw everything except C4 at it to get it to bite. If a person has to do that to catch a WR Bass, I feel bad for the millions of anglers out there who make casts blindly with the hope of catching a fish of that caliber. Fishing like these guys are doing is not cheating, just kind of bending the sportsmanship rules in my opinion. Then again if a couple of million dollars were at stake I'd probably bend them too given the chance

I do not doubt he is a stand up guy... Hell I'd be happy to hold up the WR Bass even if I did foul hook it.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:36 pm

Fish Chris

I am just saying if they do I have heard rumors since this thing was caught saying they might try and use the fact that the rules state INTENTIONALLY and he had witnesses saying he did not intentionally snag it saying the rule may not apply.

My friends have called from Cali to Texas and Oklahoma so I am hearing alot. Good and Bad and all I can say if ya wanted to find the TITANIC,you better be in the right place to have found it.

I have thought about it more and I have come to this conclusion

Like I learned along time ago life aint fair so if ya want a shot at a World Record Bass better go to where they live.

And thats in little stock ponds in southern Ca. where you can find the very best in big bass management, they put floridas in a small pond stock em full of hatchery raised trout and keep power feeding them till they reach unreasonable size.

Pretty soon we will just have to purchase a big bass TAG (like a deer tag) and launch the boat. LOL LOL LOL

either way you look at it it's still like racing a Blown 454 against a 4 banger.

Nothing against the catch or Mac I still agree it was a AWSOME FISH !!!

By the way Chris since this guy was your friend and I am a pretty good bed fisherman was this fish locked on the bed actully spewing eggs or was the male on the bed and she was out a ways watching?

I would love to know how it went down did he stick the male and get it off the bed then went after the female? OR ?????????? It would be seriously cool to hear exactly how it went down not to crucify but to learn and educate.

I understand the sweet spot is for beginners and I know about the "getting em fired" I can read a fish if he/she is locked then he/she is coming in the boat if he is skittish then you can do tricks but most of the time you are wasting time in tournament situations.

I also understand how you can be good and still accidently snag the fish .

Jeremy and I was fishing a tournament on Clear lake and we found a nice 4lb on a bed I hit her with my jig a few times and she was getting pissed she gilled fired on me a couple of times and I did not set but then she did a 360 I seen red and set I put my jig right thru the bottom jaw, Jeremy was not to happy(niether was I) and we let the fish go it went right back on the bed we came back and got her later in the day but I did not mean to snag that fish it just was bad eye sight in the water.

So trust me when I say I really dont think he snagged this fish on purpose.

Peace Bro

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mac (Doyle McEwen) · Post by **mac (Doyle McEwen)** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:43 pm

A bass does not really have a choice about what to eat, it is going to eat anything it can catch in its environment, period..If the bass lives in a body of water containing trout, then he/she is going to get one every once in a while..Keep in mind these lakes are for the most part not stocked with trout year round..Especially those in SoCal..For the most part they stock trout from 4 to 6 months a year, what do you think the bass eats the rest of the time, they sure as hell don't fast till the next trout stocking..Florida bass (those in Florida) have an excellent forage fish now also with talapia..They also have a long growing season and on top of that, the talapia are available year round..There are probably WR class bass there also, they just haven't been catching them..

mac

Paul W · Post by **Paul W** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:10 pm

It's a silly argument to say that California has an unfair advantage because of the lakes being stocked with Trout. Fish grow bigger in different parts of the world due to many different reasons. What and where they eat should have nothing to do with world record consideration. Bonefish average bigger in the Keys than the Bahamas. The Kenai River in Alaska has some of the biggest King Salmon anywhere. Tarpon commonly grow to over 200lbs off the west coast of Africa. California is home to the biggest Largemouths found on the planet. If anything, a huge educated California Bass living in a clear, deep lake that receives heavy pressure is much harder to catch than that same fish in, say, a southern body of water.

Paul W

Blue_R70 · Post by **Blue_R70** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:41 am

Dom wrote:I just got of the phone with a good friend of mine in Dallas Texas and he is telling me that the general concensus down there is we are cheating!!!

That's kind of hypocritical coming from a Texan. Texas' ShareLunker program is artificially spawning large bass through voluntarily "donated" trophy fish meeting their 13+ pound minimum weight requirement. That's pure genetic manipulation and it sure sounds more "artificial" than the "hand fed trout in a pond" accusation they always throw at us.

Excerpts from the Texas ShareLunker homepage:

Program Description

The Budweiser ShareLunker program runs from October 1 through April 30 in order to cover the spawning season for the entire state. Through the program, anglers loan largemouth bass weighing 13 pounds or more to Texas Parks and Wildlife Department for spawning and research purposes. At the end of spawning season, the fish will be returned to the angler for live release, or the angler may donate it permanently to the program.

Over the next several years bass from Florida, California and Cuba were brought to Texas to improve the genetics of the Texas bass population. The Cuban fish were obtained by sheer daring. Joe Bob Wells, a Levelland resident who fished in Cuba frequently, flew to Cuba in December 1984 and brought bass back to Texas via Mexico, since travel between the United States and Cuba was prohibited.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/visi ... r/program/

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:04 am

And the rest of the quote was "I was dumbfounded" Meaning I understood Rodney's point but had no argument you just gave me one.

Tight Lines Dom

Blue_R70 · Post by **Blue_R70** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:09 am

Dom, now you have the ammo to give it to him with both barrels!

millsryno · Post by **millsryno** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:15 am

I'm sorry, is CA the only state that stocks trout?

There is a lot more to it than that. They stock trout in some AZ lakes, but they don't have the behemoths that CA has. I don't know exactly what it is, but the water out here just grows nice bass. I think Paul W nailed it, CA is just home to the world's largest bass like other areas are for other species.

Of course, the trout don't hurt either

Fish Chris · Post by **Fish Chris** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:16 am

Actually, I have never met Mac Weakly, I was just going by what I have heard about him from a few friends...... and from my own personal experiences while bed fishing. {BTW, I love bed-fishing

But if I gotta' use a swimbait, or a night crawler, so be it. Because the one thing I love even more than bed-fishing, is catching big fish

Peace,
Fish

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:39 am

BShafer · Post by **BShafer** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:39 am

I might be off on this , but doesn't Texas have the share a lunker program where they are basicaly engineering trophy bass. If I'm correct that would make a California trophy bass or WR from this state more legitimate (S?) than a Texas trophy or WR from there.

crawdaddy · Post by **crawdaddy** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:40 am

Is it also unfair that we don't have alligators and crocs to eat our larger bass? In florida there are tons of tilapia which are about equivalent to trout as a forage base, the same goes for Mexico and I have not heard of a record bass from there either. These places and Southern Texas as well have longer growing season than we do here, should we be faulted for that? These places also have large populations of catch and eat fishermen, they also have a lot more water sheds to harbor fish. We have much fewer places to fish than most places, I feel we take better care of our fish in regards to C&R. I read an article done on Aaron Martens who described in great detail how much catch and keep goes on outside of California. We stock trout for recreational anglers to catch not breed huge bass, but it is a great un-intended effect. Crap or get off the pot, if you want to catch a giant bass come visit and give it a try. Enjoy don't hate.

Mike Baskett · Post by **Mike Baskett** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:44 am

What sportsman rules are being bent? It appears that lake is extremely popular amongst the trophy chasers, and for good reason. There was someone else fishing for that fish the day before and one of the guys in the group that ended up foul hooking it offered 1,000 dollars to fish for it. He didn't move in and try to take over. He made an offer, it was refused, he honored the anglers position. When he had his chance the next day, he anchored on the fish and fished for her. He didn't use live bait(I don't know if it's legal to use or not). I think the person to ask on whether it was sporting of him would be those who go to that lake to fish, most of whom play by the same rules and gave him the courtesy he gave the angler the day before. Look at today's bassfan article on the 15 pounder Tim Horton worked for in the Amistad Tournament. He fished it for 5 hours and actually put the 4 1/2 pound male he had caught off the bed back to try to get her to calm down enough to catch. It's a cool story. Was he bending the rules? As for the millions of anglers casting for bass, I'm one of those and don't feel bad for me. I know dang well I'm never going to catch a fish like that because there are very few bodies of water those fish call home and if you aren't fishing California, California, or California, you're not going to do it. Those guys who target those fish go on the water with a totally different mindset than us bank running bait sligers. They have every bit the mental toughness as the Vandams and Clunns, it's just focused on a different aspect of bass fishing. I have all the respect for those ethical trophy hunters who have acquired the patience, focus, and skill to zero in on their goal and work within the rules to succeed. OK I've done my post for the month you all can slam me for my rambling.

R.Mac · Post by **R.Mac** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:08 am

I'm wondering if the possibility exists for a wealthy landowner with a really nice bass pond could potentially grow a WR bass or two? You know, nice fresh climate controlled water without parasites or predators. It doesn't seem impossible. He could fill that sucker with talapia,trout,shad,crawdads,ducks,snakes,frogs and big Macs and be the only guy who gets to fish it! Talk about conspiracy theory. Sorry, got nothing else to do today,sic.

Fish Chris · Post by **Fish Chris** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:07 am

You said (for whatever reason) > He didn't use live bait(I don't know if it's legal to use or not). < So your point was ?

Quite honestly, I don't know if live bait is legal on Dixon or not either.... but so what if it were ???
I have to tell you this; I used to use live bait a big percentage of my trophy bass fishing time. But it wasn't until after I started using artificial lures a bunch more (90% of my time nowadays), that I started catching a LOT more big bass. My conclusion is, "Artificial lures make it a lot 'easier' to catch giant bass, than does live bait". I guess one could take that to say, that live bait is more of a challenge than artificial lures. Personally, it wouldn't matter to me how they read it. I just like catching big bass.

Just curious Mike, how much have you used live bait for bass ?

You aren't one of those guys that have based your opinions of live bait fishing on heresay and feelings, rather than on actual on the water experience, are you ?

Please read: http://www.trophybassonly.com/id103.htm

Great fishing to all, no matter what you choose to thow at em' !
Fish Chris

Blue_R70 · Post by **Blue_R70** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:39 am

BShafer wrote:I might be off on this , but doesn't Texas have the share a lunker program where they are basicaly engineering trophy bass. If I'm correct that would make a California trophy bass or WR from this state more legitimate (S?) than a Texas trophy or WR from there.

For a link to the ShareLunker program see my earlier post in this thread....

Gunny · Post by **Gunny** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:16 am

Good posts!! But little is fair this day and age. Funny that Texas came into this as the complaining party state. I am from Texas, and damn sure still claim to be a Texan even though I have been gone for years. I have a lot of friends in Texas and have spoken to some since this fish was caught or kidnapped or snagged or what ever in the hell it was. Not a one of them has spoken a word about "envy" or unfairness. They also have not been snipping the fellows that caught this monster fish and trying there best to discount the how's or why's of how this fish was or was not caught.

What those folks in Texas see is that the Bass industry is a big dollar making item. Gone are the days when Bass Fishing was just pure fun. Today bass are money pure and simple. You can talk about California stocking there small lakes with trout all you want. Is it fair? Well just what in the hell does the word mean? Its done and is going to continue to be done ( Thank God) and fair or unfair the fish here are going to grow big. For the life of me I can not seem to find one bad thing about that or big bass period. I just don't see how "FAIR" applys.

Texas does a lot of things to grow big fish, as a matter of fact they are doing just about anything they can to grow some monster fish. Only trouble is they got started about 10 or 12 years after Ca did, so right now they are sucking hind teat. Lake Fork was designed and engneered as a big fish lake. Severeal years befor they closed the dam on that lake they built and stocked dozens of bass ponds all over the area the lake would submerge. They also stocked severeal lakes with bait fish so that those big bass would have some dinner when they closed the Dam. They then made Lake Fork a catch and release only lake so all of them bass would stay there. They have since amended that and now allow a fisherman to keep ONE trophy fish that meets a very high min standered. Is all of that "Fair"? As far as I am concerned you damn right it is, if you want big fish.
Now if you want to piss and moan and whine and complain about Fairness or Unfairness about what the fish in your State eat or have feed to them. Then move to New York it is my understanding that in New York they don't do anything to grow big bass there.

Gunny

Manuel · Post by **Manuel** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:31 am

Right on Gunny! You hit it on the head!

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:08 pm

Gunny, I take it your retired jarhead â€“ Iâ€™m a retired grunt! What is fair is 300 yards, no cross wind, one shot! What is not fair is â€œFish Findersâ€

Gunny · Post by **Gunny** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:45 pm

Marty,

Your assumption is correct.

To this rest of your post "You Got a damn good point there"

Gunny

Mr B · Post by **Mr B** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:15 pm

Have you ever seen the size of the Gizzard Shad and Shiners in the south? Those things easily get up to 8-12" long.

NaCl · Post by **NaCl** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:30 pm

Not to mention baby carp and catfish. I caught a bass on Folsom last month that choked up two shad and a baby catfish!

.....NaCl

Mike Baskett · Post by **Mike Baskett** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:55 pm

Fish Chris. The only time I 've used live bait in the last 15 years was a February 2003 trip to Clear Lake, CA. I caught 2 7's the first day on artificials, but the action was slow for a 550 mile one way trip, and I had never done the shiner fishing thing, so we did shiners and circle hooks for a day. In the span of only a few hours we caught a 9, two over 8, and about 10 5's and 6's out of the same small area we had pounded with artificials the day before, not to mention the countless 3's and 4's. So based on my personal experince, plus those of a good friend who travels to Clear Lake regularly in the early spring(also used minnows on very rare occasions), I disagree with your theory that artificials make it easier to catch big bass. I have nothing at all against fishing with live bait, I just don't do it myself except on very, very rare occasions in California. I just don't know if live bait fishing is allowed on Lake Dixon or not. I would think a live crawdad or shiner sitting on that bed would be more enticing than artificials, but maybe it wasn't allowed on Dixon or maybe those guys simply don't use live bait, or maybe they do better with artificials as well. I wasn't attacking any live bait enthusiasts or anything like that. And yes, I am basing my opinion on live bait fishing in waters that hold large bass on my one personal experience at Clear Lake. But I guess 8 and 9 pounders are nothing to you California guys. They are nice fish to us from up north. And with that I think I'm done with Western Bass.

photon · Post by **photon** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:10 pm

...that artificals allow you to cover more water & present a bait to more fish that live bait fishing does....in general?

Might have something to do with an increased catch rate over live bait.

CN · Post by CN » Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:28 pm

Fair you say,what i dont get is i read an article in WON magazine where these guy's have not only fished for this particulare fish for year's they have actually COUGHT this fish perhap's three other time's and once by another TROPHY BASS FISHERPERSON.

What is this all about.Do certain individuals have a right to one fish.I can see it now,i am sure a whole lot of you have seen JAW'S.Perhap's old MR.PERRY was a sight fisherman to,but if not this method of breaking the record seem's pretty weak to me.

Gunny · Post by **Gunny** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:04 pm

CN,

You know the funnest thing about this whole topic is the depth it is taken on. The title for this little topic is " Is It Fair?"

Now assuming ( always a bad thing) that question had to do with the diet some of these fish here in Ca seem to be getting ie. TROUT FINGERLINGS. I would think that the orginal question had to do with are. Are World Record fish in California to be held in suspicion, becuase of the food they eat? Well now folks that has to be just about the silliest damn thing I ever heard. Try just try anyone try to keep a legally caught and weighed and certified California fish out of the Record book, there will be a war that is to be unbelieved happen on day two of that attempt.

Now CN fair vs unfair. I don't care if these three dudes have caght this very same fish a dozen times. It would only be "UNFAIR" if they wouldn't allow you to do the same thing. And as far as I can tell you can. That is you can if you can find her or another one like her. Nobody is stopping you or anyone one else from doing that very thing.

Gunny

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:03 am

The questions you ask are a joke, right? Fair? Come on dude, youre kidding. Tell me your kidding.

A fish in a natural environment, eating baitfish (trout). Hmmmm, lets see. Does Cali play with genetics?

Now, if we had a bunch of small private ponds, and threw in a bunch of tiger bass, then fed them trout and protein pills, then didnt let anybody fish those ponds for a while, then pulled a WR record from them, then that would be screwed up.

But we dont and thats that.

If Texas could only figure out how to stock a baitfish that 1) had a hight protein value, and 2) could survive year round in the waters of Texas (high water temp, etc), then they could compete. But they cant compete because the enivornment they have to work with is different from ours, and ours just so happens to be conducive to providing for the best growth rates in the world.

Tell me your were kidding please.

Fish Chris · Post by **Fish Chris** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:39 am

I was just fixing to say, I'm glad you didn't take my post in the wrong way.... but then you said > And with that I think I'm done with Western Bass < ......ahhh geeez.... I hope this isn't because of me ?
This really is a great forum, with ALL kinds of guys from a few whacko finatical oddball trophy hunters like me, to hardcore tournament guys, to weekend fun fishermen, all with something to add. You really ought to stick around... but of course that's up to you.

Either way, great fishing to you,
Peace,
Fish

Fish Chris · Post by **Fish Chris** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:47 am

Maybe a little bit.....

But i think the big thing is, a lot of our biggest Cali bass are almost strictly trout eaters, and not crawdad or worm eaters. Sure, you might tempt some of those trout eaters with the latter.... sometimes, but for a fish that predominantly eats trout, nothing beats a trout patterned swimbait.

Then, for sight fishing, the biggest threat to a nest is Bluegills. Of course even if live Bluegills were legal in Cali, good luck getting one to do what you wanted it too, at the end of your line. Hence, nothing beats a Bluegill patterned artificial for bed fishing. The rest of those guys can throw all the white jigs they want to at them. I know what works for me.

Oh...... that, and also, crawlers and dads will never get followers, to tell you where the big ones are in the first place. I might have a follower on a swimbait, and then switch up to a crawler or dad.... but never the other way around.

Peace,
Fish

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:00 am

Hey Steve I am glad I was able to entertain you this beautiful Saturday morning, But the fact is no I was not kidding.

I am not whinning I simply wanted yalls take on it. I personally can see now that there is an endless argument on the subject and I wish yall all the luck in the world at catching the dream. I will not drive down to southern cali to chase it.

I will stick with my little Delta toads

If one thing I have learned in the past few years and thats to listen more then I run my mouth and I heard some friends complaints I had no answers so I asked here what yall thought

I listened

POINT AND CASE "IS IT FAIR " I take it your answer is it is FAIR and for good reason the share a lunker program,etc.. Thank to all that educated me just a little more

Blue_R70 · Post by **Blue_R70** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:12 pm

Fish Chris wrote:Then, for sight fishing, the biggest threat to a nest is Bluegills. Of course even if live Bluegills were legal in Cali, good luck getting one to do what you wanted it too, at the end of your line.

Live bluegills are legal for use as bait--you just have to catch them at the same location that you're going to fish them. Transporting them, however, is illegal...

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:03 pm

What I have heard is that there is also the rainwater RUNOFF from all the Ganja being grown in CA hills that is causing these fish to have insatiable appetites....and then the fallout from all the Ganja smoked over these waters is multiplying these effects. Hmmmm....??

Har, Har, Har..!!!

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:34 pm

The funny thing about your post is that there may actually be some truth to what you said!

Mike Baskett · Post by **Mike Baskett** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:00 am

Fish Chris, I still check the forum out on occasion. There are some interesting things that pop up here from time to time and I just spilled grape juice on my keyboard so gotta sign off and try to fix it. As long as people are ethical about how they go about catching, and hopefully releasing, bass, I don't care how they do it. And no I'm not trying to start a debate about the term "Ethical" as it relates to bass fishing. Keys are sticking gotta go good fishing Fish Chris.

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