American Bass /New Jen TOC

[stragtr21]

If you qualify for ABA and New Jen TOC at Clear lake you cannot fish both due to New Jens 10 day off limit rule.This rule is not needed being the bite changes by the minute. If any sport can be titled (On any given Sunday) bass fishing is the sport. Why New Jen wants to take away income to the town of Lakeport is beyond me. New Jen will be changing the rule next year because they know it is a bad rule. Anglers you need to let New Jen know that we cant wait till next and the town of Lakeport cant wait.

[Mike]

What’s your point??

It’s been in their rules for years. Get over yourself.

[stragtr21]

Here are my points
This rule pits one trail against the other. The west coast tournament trails really cant afford the either or.
On that note Lakeport only gets the income of only one of these tournament trails
The rule is to keep local anglers from getting the upper edge. With todays forward facing sonar the advantage is to the guys that can afford such electronics.
On that note I have met and fish with a lot of anglers from both trails. The information I receive from the first T.O.C will more than make up the 10 day off limit rule.
I had planned on staying up at Lakeport for two weeks. Now I will only spend 5 days there. Sorry hotels,resturants and tackle shops.
The list goes on Mike, but I am out of time. Must go and get over myself now

[JL]

Like Jigginbass says, " You will get over it"

[DanIsaac]

Dream on if you think for one minute locals don’t get an advantage from being on the water. It’s not a small advantage. It’s a huge advantage especially on this pond. Doesn’t mean the win but it’s still a huge advantage and with regards to Lakeport that’s Lakeport fault. Dan

[stragtr21]

So why is New Jen removing the rule after this year? Because it is a bad rule! Anglers need to step up and let New Jen know to remove this rule now.

P.S. Hows things Danny!

[Bass@82]

My partner and myself intended on fishing both tournaments. I’ll definitely voice my opinion to New Jen to speed up the rule change to this year. Regarding this being Lakeport’s fault—permits for tournaments are acquired from DFG I do believe.

[JL]

I hate to say it, but with ALL THE CHEATING that's been going on in this sport lately, do you think this 10 day off limits isn't abused?????? How could it even be enforced???? Wake up and smell the paychecks! When big $$$$ is involved everything changes. My 2 cents! Go ahead and start blasting away!

[jiggin4bass]

There shouldn't be any off limits in any tournament fishing period give me a break a level playing field there no such thing. Show up catch fish it that simple. This crap you need practices days before a tournament is bogus. Stop whining with all the lake up in down calif two orgs plan there TOC on the same lake. Only reason there even there is they want to put up big weights for the tournaments. Why not fish the Delta one org could have done that so there no conflict. I would think American Bass with there 10 boat tournaments should have stayed on the delta for there TOC. And let the big boys like New Jen hold there tournament on Clear lake then you could have fished both.

[Popper]

If you qualify for ABA and New Jen TOC at Clear lake you cannot fish both due to New Jens 10 day off limit rule.This rule is not needed being the bite changes by the minute. If any sport can be titled (On any given Sunday) bass fishing is the sport. Why New Jen wants to take away income to the town of Lakeport is beyond me. New Jen will be changing the rule next year because they know it is a bad rule. Anglers you need to let New Jen know that we cant wait till next and the town of Lakeport cant wait.

TOC Tournament Circuit rules shouldn't change because an Angler/Teams decided to fish two circuits that conflict within off limit periods.
These rules/schedules are known from the start of the season.

Suggest reviewing/reading the rules prior to committing to two tournament circuits.

-Good Luck in the TOC

[Dave Brabec]

There shouldn't be any off limits in any tournament fishing period give me a break a level playing field there no such thing. Show up catch fish it that simple. This crap you need practices days before a tournament is bogus. Stop whining with all the lake up in down calif two orgs plan there TOC on the same lake. Only reason there even there is they want to put up big weights for the tournaments. Why not fish the Delta one org could have done that so there no conflict. I would think American Bass with there 10 boat tournaments should have stayed on the delta for there TOC. And let the big boys like New Jen hold there tournament on Clear lake then you could have fished both.

ABA TOC is for the whole west coast circuits. Every one I fished had 150-200 boats

[AVG.JOE]

ABA may b small but they still give a boat away!
What fisherman that qualifys wouldn’t want to fish it?

[stickbait]

Simple...who ever paid for the permit first the other org needs to move their date for the fishermen that support them.

[WB Staff]

From: Craig Sutherland, American Bass

On July 18th, 2023, a few days before the meeting where we draw our 2024 California Event Permits, an angler reached out on our website chat and informed us, ABA, that NewJen Bass has an off-limits period of 10-days that will cover our 2023 Clear Lake Championship.

Our understanding was that NewJen did not have any extended off-limits for any events. At two separate meetings in 2022, a statement was made by the owners of NewJen that they did not have extended off-limits. In those meetings, all organizations expressed to Wild West Bass that extended off limits on major tournament waters was bad for our tournament community. We purchased our Championship date under the belief that no off-limits would cover the prior weekend.

We reached out to Jennifer Price yesterday, 8/2/23, on a phone conference. We were hopeful that the NewJen off-limits could be adjusted. In that conversation, Jennifer Price clarified that they have a 10-day off-limits period for their championship. She said that the 2023 championship date is changed from previous years. This year, 2023, the date is one-week after our ABA Championship, so the off-limits now covers our event.

We asked if the off-limits duration could be reduced, starting on Sunday, to allow anglers to fish both events. Jennifer said that it is not possible reduce the 10-day off-limits. Jennifer also stated that due to anglers' plans and event plans, a date change is impossible.

We understand and respect their decision to stand by their off-limits and not changing their date. We also cannot make a late date or location change to our event as our anglers and staff have scheduled vacation time and made reservations based on the date and location we announced many months ago.

Newt stated in a text to me that they will not have off-limits that will cover prior weekends starting in 2024. Even with this said, we, American Bass, purchased a permit for Clear Lake on September 27-28, 2024, which is one week after the 2024 New Jen event. This will eliminate the concern for the 2024 season. Our only restriction to pre-fish on Clear Lake is that the two days prior to the competition you can only fish with the partner you qualified with or by yourself.

We congratulate all the anglers that qualified for both championship events, and apologize to those who now cannot participate in both. Had we known that there was an issue, we would have resolved the conflict at the time we purchased the permits in October of 2022.

ABA offers two additional championships in addition to the Clear Lake championship event. If you have 5 qualifying ABA events in 2023, you are qualified to enter one Championship of your choice. If you have 6 or more 2023 events, you can enter all 3 championships.

Creating opportunities for anglers has been at the center of our focus throughout our 40-year history. Again, we are sorry if this situation has a negative impact on your 2023 Championship.

Craig Sutherland
American Bass

[jiggin4bass]

Nothing personal it's just business
You'll get over it. American bass

[RMANZO]

Most anglers, including myself, look at schedules before the season even starts. Therefore everyone knew well in advance the 10 day off limit would make you ineligible to fish both. Pure and simple. Where’s the confusion. It’s been a full season

[jiggin4bass]

AVG.JOE
You fish 5 or 6 team tournaments a year to make it to the TOC for one boat. Why not two boats and pony $20,000.00 cash for first place. Each angler wins a boat fully rigged and $10,000.00 each. I'm sure The ABA could do something like that with no problem. I'm sure there sponsors are generous enough to help out.

[ILW]

AVG.JOE
You fish 5 or 6 team tournaments a year to make it to the TOC for one boat. Why not two boats and pony $20,000.00 cash for first place. Each angler wins a boat fully rigged and $10,000.00 each. I'm sure The ABA could do something like that with no problem. I'm sure there sponsors are generous enough to help out.

Wondering why you are "sure their sponsors are generous enough to help"
Aba has three TOC's to accommodate their anglers on different bodies of water. So you think they should "pony up $60K in cash and are SURE their sponsors are generous enough to give out 6 fully rigged boats?

I am also wondering is there any other true TEAM circuit giving out THREE boats for Western anglers at TOC's? AND allowing all teams that fish the 6 events to try for all three boats on different bodies of water? So not just one and done chance BUT three opportunities to win a boat? I don't know? BUT I do know I am not SURE that any team circuit's sponsors are generous to give out 6 boats. Maybe you have insider knowledge that makes you so sure? Maybe you can help make that happen?

[jiggin4bass]

Define true team circuits in Ca.

[ILW]

Deflection

[jiggin4bass]

ILW you didn't answer my question.

[JVGondal]

ILW you didn't answer my question.