Another poll about new 100% BASS super teams

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:44 pm

need your guys feedback. Please, only answer if you intend on fishing this series. Also, tell your freinds about the series and have them vote...We need to know who's in and who's not.
Heres the deal other than a few details, it will be 5 events, 2 days each. 2 days of practice and a minimum of 3-10 days off limits. $500 or $600 entry fees. 100% BASS paybacks have already been discussed on other threads. still waiting to hear from teams about some of the other details. If you are willing to make a firm committment then please vote and then take the time to email me and guarantee your participation.
please vote for the schedule you like most and please remember, we are trying to build a tournament trail for everyone, not just one group of people

JT-Madera · Post by **JT-Madera** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:55 pm

Even though i love fishing Clear Lake and the Delta...I think that is not a well rounded selection..If you have both in the same schedule...Its great for the tulle guys but it makes it one sided.. read back in the threads, guys wanted at least one tournament in the Motherlode...Although I live a ways from Melones it would be preferable because of the size and room availability....They will all require travel for us but thats ok..just give us at least one near our area..otherwise the Motherlode teams will have problems....It seems like they are always left out of the selection..and they have some great lakes..

I prefer; Shasta. Clearlake, Melones, Castiac and even Mead or Havasu.. or Cachuma.. Then add the Delta the next year and drop Clearlake..
I think the Southern teams will want at least two lakes in order to fish the circuit...and that is fair...

bassindon69 · Post by **bassindon69** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:32 pm

I must say I was disappointed to see on this poll that most are wanting to just keep it north Boooooo

I thought this was a calif thing not another north Circuit

If it just stays north I'm out.
Where did havasu come from? To me the lakes getting the most votes is the same old group.
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This is what got me pumped. This set up was not even on the poll.

There will be 2 lakes in the North selected from these
Delta - Clear Lake - Shasta Oroville

There will be 1 lake from the Central selected from these
Don Pedro or Melones

There will be 2 lakes from the South
Casitas - Castaic or Cachuma

I was looking for..Shasta, Clear Lake, Pedro or Melones, Casitas, Castaic More across the board.

Its because lack of places to stay at the Mother Load lakes JT, That's why they stay away. I would be roughing it anyway. at all places (camping) All my room money would be in the entry LOL!

Don.

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:48 am

IF YOU FISH DON PEDRO, YOU HAVE OPTION
GOLD COUNTRY MOTEL AT COULTERVILLE 20 MINUTES AWAY
2 MOTELS BETWEEN JAMESTOWN AND SORORA MAYBE 30 MINUTES AWAY
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT MOST MOTEL THAT PEOPLE STAY AT AT SHASTA LAKE ARE IN REDDING.. LAUNCH AT PACKERS BAY, THAT IF I REMEMBER IS 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR DRIVE..

AT SHASTA LAKE CITY ITS STILL 15/20 MINUTES TO BRIDGE BAY LAUNCH, WHEN YOU CAN LAUNCH.

SO THE OLD SAYING THERE IS NO PLACE TO STAY TO FISH DON PEDRO IS UNFAIR AND NOT TRUE.

OUR OPINON ONLY
JIGS

supermat · Post by **supermat** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:53 am

I'm with Don on this one. I was getting pretty pumped, heck, I'd already started saving $$$ for my entry.

(Even though I'm way up in NorCal) to have a state-wide line-up that would allow me to travel to some new lakes. The line-up that was originally discussed sounded great! Now all of a sudden its beginning to be clear that the same people are trying to get another circuit to cover the SAME water. I thought this was a "new" concept with "new" water.... if you settle on a great schedule like I thought it would be (shasta/oroville, Clearlake/Berryessa/Delta, New Melones/Pedro, Castaic/Casitas, etc....) then you have my tournament partner's and my dollars.

I know this is just a poll so I'm not terribly concerned at this point, I just wanted to get it out there that I'm seeing this become very similar to many other circuits rather than a "new concept".

Matt

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:11 am

THESE ARE OUR THOUGHTS ONLY. IF YOU WANT 5 OR 3 SOUTH AND 3 NORTH BUT WE HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO FISH THEM ALL AND THEY ALL ARE GREAT LAKES AT TIMES

SHASTA OR OROVILLE
DELTA OR CLEARLAKE
CASTAIC OR PYRAMID
CASITAS OR CACHUMA
MOHAVE OR HAVASU

I BELIEVE THESE ARE ALL IN CALIF....

JIGS

Scott Shambre · Post by **Scott Shambre** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:28 am

Permitting will be one of them as well as maintaining no conflicts with other events. If you remember early in the conception of this idea, Tom did not want to conflict with Stren or the Series as well as any other Pro/Am event scheduled for '07.

Jigs, I have to disagree with you on lodging at Shasta, there are 5-6 motels within 10 minutes of Bridge Bay which is the launch of choice for most org's up there. While I like Pedro alot and would like to see something there, at this time it does not have the local community infrastructure to host major events that other venues have. The launch and Marina facilities are second to none, but to have to drive 20 to 30 minutes is more than alot of guys are willing to do.

I agree with you guys that there should be an even spread of events throughout the state, but there are not alot of options down south. DVL is already swamped with over 70 events next year and you eliminate some guys that don't have the outboard to be able to run there. Castaic is out with scheduled 100 ft. drop in the lake level for next. Casitas and Cachuma would be a good choices if you can find open dates next year meeting the criteria mentioned above.

The "type" of schedule I would like to see is a breakdown of regions like this...

either 1) SHASTA (Bridge Bay) OR OROVILLE (Spillway)

either 2) CLEAR LAKE (Knoncti Vista)OR THE DELTA (Russo's for sure)

either 3) MELONES (Glory Hole), FOLSOM (Granite Bay ) OR BERRYESSA (Steele Canyon, it has 3 ramps within 2 miles and on-site lodging)

either 4) NACI OR MILLERTON

either 5) CASITAS OR CACHUMA

I believe that if you run a schedule like this in the first year, Bob would be able to gauge where the tweaks needs to be made. If Bob goes to far south, I think he will lose 25-40 potential northern teams, but I think the southern guys will travel if we have something like Naci, Millerton, Casitas or Cachuma in the mix. Remember, this is a first year schedule only, after that tweaks can be made. This type of schedule would fill the field with a long waiting list, and then next year a rotation of lakes could be added so we were not at the same lakes two years in a row.

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Phil · Post by **Phil** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:51 am

SCOTT, I WAS MOSTLY THINKING OF THE GOOD OLD DAYS AGAIN, WHEN HOST LODGE WAS HOLIDAY INN ON HILLTOP DRIVE IN REDDING, WAS A WAYS TO THE LAKE, AND BOATS TRAVELED TO REDDING TO WEIGH THEIR FISH IN THE LIVE WELLS.I AGREE, HECK YOU HAVE BRIDE BAY AT THE LAKE. AND ALOT OF NEW MOTELS AU AT SHASTA LAKE CITY THAT WERE NOT THERE WHEN I LIVED THERE FROM BIRTH BACK AND UP TO 1996......

HOW ABOUT BEING CALIFORNIA ORIENTED.
NORTH\CENTRAL/ SOUTH/ AND WAY SOUTH
SHASTA
DELTA
CACHUMA
ISABELLA WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THIS LAKE ???
HAVASU

Scott Shambre · Post by **Scott Shambre** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:06 am

Jigs,
Isabella is a great lake with decent size, but permitting with the U.S. Forest Service (which controls the lake) is a pain in the rump and expensive from the stories I've heard. From the lakes you listed, while evenly spread out, be real here, 70-80% of the teams filling this field will be from NorCal. While there needs to be SoCal angler involvement for this to be a true "California" circuit, the base still remains in NorCal. I think that Naci, Millerton, Casitas & Cachuma are great venues that will attract the SoCal angler, satisfy Bob's sponsor requirements and be able to host 100 boat events.

Scott Shambre

Chris Laskowski · Post by **Chris Laskowski** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:12 am

If you make it the first choice then you can count me in! That would be fun!
Chris Laskowski

gt5bass · Post by **gt5bass** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:21 am

I will only fish this if it follows the original concept and be a state wide or Western "Travelers" NO ZIP CODE type circuit. No. Cal. has plenty of regional team events (as does So. Cal.).

The original concept was to determine the best teams in CA or the West, not just No. Cal. or are the No. Cal. boys afraid of gittin' there butts whooped outside of their zip codes?

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:36 am

SCOTT, I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LIVE AND FISH IN SOUTHERN CALIF. BELIEVE ME I BELIEVE IT WILL DRAW HALF OF THE FIELD ONCE IT IS ALL WORKED OUT AND THEY FIND THAT HALF THE TOURNAMENTS WILL BE DOWN THERE. I AGREE GARY, CALIFORNIA IS CALIFORNIA, UNTIL THEY SPLIT THE STATE, AND CHANCES OF THAT HAPPENING ARE NOT IN MY LIFE TIME !!

LEAVE HAVASU OR MOJAVE IN !

HEADED FOR THE LAKE, SALES CALL CYA ALL LATER !!

JIGS

TheFLY · Post by **TheFLY** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:27 am

Definitely agree that:

Delta and Clearlake should not be in same year;

Nor should Shasta and Oroville.

Folsom, Berryessa or Trinity should be added if possible to really provide variety and "differnece".

Generally agree with Shambre's thoughts above. Not a fan of any of the listed options in this poll.

I think it too greatly favors the North and the same 4 bodies of water we always fish. (Option 2 comes closest in my opinion).

Johnny C · Post by **Johnny C** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:06 am

1) oroville, shasta

2)clear lake, folsom, berryessa

3)delta, don pedro, melones

4)pine flat, millerton, mcclure

5)cachuma, casitas, santa margarita

NaCl · Post by **NaCl** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:35 am

then why not do it right. Call it something like the "Western Super Team Tour". Charge enough entry fees to make payouts worth the travel expenses...like $1000 or $1200. Here's the schedule I'd like to see: 5 lakes spread across the whole year. The lakes are rotated each year within their groupings. There is an equal emphasis between north and south with a fair representation for the Northwest. And, most important, this schedule would REALLY say something meaningful about the fishing skills of the top finishing teams.

Lake # 1: Late winter (Jan/Feb) Powell, Mead, Havasu (Colorado River Chain)

Lake #2: Spring (Mar/Apr) Clearlake, Delta, Pedro (NorCal)

Lake #3: Summer (May/Jun) Pot Holes/Coeur D'alene/Columbia River

Lake #4: Early Fall (Sep/Oct) Cachuma/Casitas/Castaic/Santa Margarita

Lake #5: Later Fall (Oct/Nov/Dec) Shasta/Oroville/McClure

Under NO circumstances should Millerton be on the schedule. In fact, I'd support a petition to fill that lake with dirt and make it into a world class Motocross course! HARHAR!

.....NaCl

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:47 am

IF IT IS TRUELY GOING TO BE WESTERN SUPER TEAM, MIGHT JUST AS WELL TOSS IN COLUMBIA RIVER , FOR YOUR FAR NORTH TOURNAMENT. LOTS OF GOOD OLE BOYS IN OREGON THAT I KNOW , AND I BET THERE ARE A FEW IN WASHINGTON.

Scott Shambre · Post by **Scott Shambre** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:58 am

This is schedule I think would get the most support without TOTALLY leaving somebody out.

Scott Shambre

Scott Shambre · Post by **Scott Shambre** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:17 pm

The ONLY way that this circuit has 50% of the teams coming from south of the grapevine is if it has HALF of the tournaments there.

This is a "California" circuit and it should be spread thourghout the state on the BEST waters AVAILABLE that can host tournaments of 100 boats.

If half of the tournaments are in SoCal, I hope that 60 teams are from SoCal, because there will only be about 40 from up north. I don't think there are alot of cowards up here in the north that are afraid of anything down south, but you have to consider the logistics and travel costs for all of the "potential" teams. This is probably the BIGGEST factor that guys will be looking at before commiting to this deal. For a guy that lives say in Stockton or Modesto, roundtrip travel to Havasu and prefish 2 days, fuel costs would be in the range of $400-$600. Motel for a minimum of 4 nights at even a reasonable place will be in the neighborhood of $300. Food is the biggest variable, but gaugung by what I like to eat on the road, toss in another $200. Add the entry fee and divide by a team of 2 anglers and you get about $800 per angler per trip. This is not to mention the ability for guys to get a whole weeks off to do this deal, we're not all independantly wealthy here. With a modestly compact schedule like I put out there, all of the teams will be close to some of the lakes are on the schedule and there will some travel to others. This factor will be a great tool in determining whether or not a particular team can make the whole deal.

My partner and I have already discussed this and we are ready to send a check, but we want to see the schedule first. Casitas, Cachuma.... most certainly yes, but a trip to Havasu would greatly impact our decision to play.

Scott Shambre

Scott Shambre · Post by **Scott Shambre** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:25 pm

Lake # 1: Late winter (Jan/Feb) Powell, Mead, Havasu (Colorado River Chain)

*****Powell & Mead are not in California and last years Stren event in this time period showed how bad the bite can be @ Havasu.

Lake #2: Spring (Mar/Apr) Clearlake, Delta, Pedro (NorCal)

*****Good luck on permits for this time period and there is no tournament supporting infrastructure around Pedro

Lake #3: Summer (May/Jun) Pot Holes/Coeur D'alene/Columbia
River

*****Again, not in California

Lake #4: Early Fall (Sep/Oct) Cachuma/Casitas/Castaic/Santa
Margarita

*****All GREAT choices!!!!!

Lake #5: Later Fall (Oct/Nov/Dec) Shasta/Oroville/McClure

*****Great Fall lakes

Scott Shambre

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:41 pm

Hey Korny,

I would suppose that you'd have to have some sort of gauge on where the anglers would be coming from and willing to go to that will actually support a circuit of this nature.

Yeah we could throw Washington area lakes and Arizona area lakes in to the mix but will these guys travel to support the circuit?

Heck will the Southern California guys travel to support the circuit and justify it going to SoCal?

If you go to areas like Washington and Arizona will that eliminate some the of the NorCal anglers from competing?

Possible lakes to play on in any scenario:

Columbia River/Washington/Potholes - in Washington/Oregon
Shasta/Oroville/Almanor - in Far Northern California
Clear Lake/Berryessa/Delta - in not as far north Northern California
Don Pedro/New Melones/Nacimiento/Pine Flat - in Central California
Castiac/Casitas/Cachuma/Diamond Valley - in Southern California
Mead/Havasu/Pleasant/Powell - in Arizona/Nevada/Utah

Now I know that some of these lakes don't traditionally hold big field events but that also makes them slightly easier to obtain permits to run the tournaments. There is also a healthy mix of species per lake amongst this grouping and seasonally mixed they could really be a true test of a teams skill set.

One thing I don't remember hearing talk about but I could be wrong about is I think it also critically important to my mind these must be two day events each. I would back off quickly if they turned out to be one day shoot outs.

I'm all for the $600 entry fee per event and I would do away with the TOC completely as it would seem to undermine what being achieved by the core of a five stop circuit.

My other question is what happens if you get interest the first year from 75-80 teams? Would you adjust the payback accordingly and move forward with this plan? I firmly believe it'll take more then one year to make this event as large as the current field requirement. It'll also take some serious marketing to get the word out to the prospective teams and get them to buy in.

One last thought is have you considered how this might cut into your already existing regional team events?

sTony

Scott Shambre · Post by **Scott Shambre** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:54 pm

I originally thought this was a California tour so I proposed the following;

either 1) SHASTA (Bridge Bay) OR OROVILLE (Spillway)

either 2) CLEAR LAKE (Knoncti Vista)OR THE DELTA (Russo's for sure)

either 3) MELONES (Glory Hole), FOLSOM (Granite Bay ) OR BERRYESSA (Steele Canyon, it has 3 ramps within 2 miles and on-site lodging)

either 4) NACI OR MILLERTON

either 5) CASITAS OR CACHUMA

sTony, this type of schedule puts almost every close to some venues while still making them travel to others. This combined with 14-day off-limits and 2 official prefish days will create a level field and I think will be very popular. All of the venues I mentioned have great support facilities and are awesome fisheries. I don't think the 100 boat minimum will that hard to achieve, I think it will be harder telling guys they didn't get in and are on the waiting list.

Scott Shambre

triple trout · Post by **triple trout** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:55 pm

DVL HAS MOTOR LIMITATIONS IF IT APPLIES TO ANYTHING.

PINE FLAT HAS NO REAL LODGING IN THE AREA ALL THOUGH IT IS A GREAT LAKE. AND IS PLENTY BIG.

triple trout · Post by **triple trout** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:03 pm

Scott Shambre wrote:I originally thought this was a California tour so I proposed the following;

either 1) SHASTA (Bridge Bay) OR OROVILLE (Spillway)

either 2) CLEAR LAKE (Knoncti Vista)OR THE DELTA (Russo's for sure)

either 3) MELONES (Glory Hole), FOLSOM (Granite Bay ) OR BERRYESSA (Steele Canyon, it has 3 ramps within 2 miles and on-site lodging)

either 4) NACI OR MILLERTON

either 5) CASITAS OR CACHUMA

sTony, this type of schedule puts almost every close to some venues while still making them travel to others. This combined with 14-day off-limits and 2 official prefish days will create a level field and I think will be very popular. All of the venues I mentioned have great support facilities and are awesome fisheries. I don't think the 100 boat minimum will that hard to achieve, I think it will be harder telling guys they didn't get in and are on the waiting list.

Scott Shambre

IM IN AGREEANCE WITH YOU EXCEPT ON THE MILLERTON THING I THINK PINE FLAT WOULD SUIT THE FISHERMAN ALOT BETTER. OTHER THAN LODGING .I FISH MILLERTON AND THE FLAT ALL THE TIME. MILLERTON IS TOUGH DUE TO STRIPERS CLEARING FISH OUT OF YOUR AREAS DAILY. I HAVE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA BE IN THE MONEY MANY TIMES TO FIND OUR FISH WERE GONE.SAME PROBLEM WITH CASTAIC. CASITAS HAS GREAT FACILITIES AND GOTTA LOVE A SWIMBAIT LAKE IN THE MIX. IT IS JUST LIKE THE DELTA FOR THE LOCALS. IT WOULD MAKE US BE MORE ROUNDED FISHERMAN TO FISH PONDS,RIVERS,CANYONS AND DRINKING WATER IMPOUNDMENTS. IF I CAN MAKE IT WORK WITH SCHEDULING WITH OTHER TOURNAMENTS WERE IN. HOWEVER CACHUMA ,CASITAS, AND NACI ARE IN THE SAME REGIONS QUITE A WAYS FROM MILERTON AREA. THAT WOULD PUT POSSIBLY 3 OF THE STOPS IN THE SOUTHERN AREA. THAT IS LIKE DOING CLEARLAKE AND DELTA TOGETHER. AND REALLY ONLY ONE IN THE BIG VALLEY AREA.

WHAT ABOUT 1.PEDRO , 2.PINE FLAT, 3.CLEARLAKE, 4.CASITAS ??? JUST MY .02 CENTS THAT WOULD SEPERATE CALIFORNIA IN 4 AREAS. AND DUE THE TOC AT THE RIVER EITHER CALIFORNIA DELTA OR COLORADO (MEAD,HAVASU)

Scott Shambre · Post by **Scott Shambre** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:06 pm

when it comes to travel for you & your partner?

There are other options other than Millerton, it just came to mind first for some reason when I thought of South/Central lakes.

Scott Shambre

Cooch · Post by **Cooch** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:13 pm

Scott says:

This combined with 14-day off-limits

Do this, ya loose me and potentially any other guides who might be interested in this team venture. I would have no problems at all with an off limits the week days before the event(Ie: Monday-Thursday or Friday). I will absolutely not, fish any tournament event that takes away more than 5 days of my guiding revenue, period, bottom line end of conversation fer me.

Personally, I guide on a wide variety of lakes through out this state. My bread and butter is ClearLake and the Delta. No way I'm gonna give up fishing nearly 1/2 a month on each pond, for a tournament circiut.

Put the Monday - Thursday prior to the event "Off Limits" One Practice day on Friday. Even playing field in my mind accross the board.

triple trout · Post by **triple trout** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:18 pm

Cooch

Put the Monday - Thursday prior to the even "Off Limits" One Practice day on Friday. Even playing field in my mind accross the board

I AGREE NO TWO WEEKS OFF. BUT A THURSDAY AND FRIDAY OR JUST FRIDAY IS THE WAY TO GO.

JT-Madera · Post by **JT-Madera** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:32 pm

NaCi;

HAHAHAHA

I still remember when you guys came to Millerton for the BASS FED State fishoff...............................................If I caught what you caught at that event I would sign the petition myself...HAHAHA

I made the State team that year by weighing in only two fish and I think 100 boats blanked.................Boy did you guys go home with your tails between your legs.....................Gary told me later that all the other regions would never go back there for a State fish off....Kinda poor sports in my book...........I remember in my early days of fishing the Delta I never wanted to go back there.............Now I love it...

As far as places to stay..there are motel's near both lakes within a 20 minute drive.......it takes me that long to drive around Clearlake.......so whats the big deal...You guys must be scared.........

I have stated before we will fish where ever they are held..as long as they are fair to the whole state....

Cooch · Post by **Cooch** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:36 pm

who said:

The original concept was to determine the best teams in CA or the West, not just No. Cal. or are the No. Cal. boys afraid of gittin' there butts whooped outside of their zip codes

Rest assured, there ain't no NorCal boy afraid of comming south, brotha, much less the likely hood or thought of ya beating us! HAR! Har! Har!(The poop starts now LOL) Actually this state is talent ladden from top to bottom!

Bottom line though, for all the population crambed into SoCal, many of us up here believe it to be an over statement to think 10% of this 100 boat field will come from SoCal. We also doubt that 10% will come from north of the California border. So if less than 10-15% of the field will come from either direction, how is it justified that 40% or more of the tournaments should be held in the south or north of California? We would love nothing more than to be proven wrong. My guess is, Korny is gonna run with this thing based on the direct input he gets as well as the e-mails he recieves from guys who are now verbally commiting to him to fish this thing.

You guys want multiple Southern lakes, ya'll need to step up right now and let him know yer willing to fish this thing. Rest assured, it's not a matter of the South challenging the North, but the other way around my friend! If we fail to reach that 100 mark, I'm willing ta bet, it'll due mostly to the lack of participation from the Southern and Northern boys of this here WEST COAST:!:

triple trout · Post by **triple trout** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:38 pm

FOFL
MILLERTON I MEAN THE DEAD SEA HUMBLES MOST

triple trout · Post by **triple trout** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:41 pm

Scott Shambre · Post by **Scott Shambre** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:06 pm

something about 14-day off-limit period, but going back and reading Korny's original post, it was a 3 to 10 day period. I agree Cooch, a week is plenty of time.

Scott Shambre

gt5bass · Post by **gt5bass** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:12 pm

I was wondering how long until someone caught that barb

It figures Cooch was the only one to bite HAR!

What got me interested in fishing this trail in the first place was it was gonna be like no other team trail currently goin' and cover most of the state. If I want to fish as seried in either half, there are plenty of ways to that. If that is what this turns out to be I will keep my money as partner does not want to fish all the tournies in one half of the state either.

I have already sent Korny my intentions and thoughts regarding this potential circuit.

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:38 pm

You guys are a mess!

I believe Bob is setting this up as the best of California? Correct me if I am wrong Bob.

Drop the TOC. Angler of the year can get a prize but forget TOC

Give it a shot for the first year, you asked for it so support it. Bob is stepping up to give this a try. After you have supported it, offer input to change it for next year.

Pick lakes that have facilities to support a major event. Also, make sure they want to support a major event. Make sure to have hotels, good ramp, gas station, and grounds for the event (like a casino, hotel, fairgrounds, etc...) You don't want to have a weigh in for a preimum event in some dusty parking lot somewhere. This is the big time boys.

To play along, here's my schedule:

Start in the fall:
October/November: Clear Lake
January/ Feb.: Casitas, Cachuma
March/April: Melones
May/June: Oroville
July/August:Delta

I think this series should offer events in all seasons. Can you figure out the bass starting in Fall transition on Clear Lake? Next, can you dial in pre-spawn in So. Cal? Then find big largemouth on beds in clear water on Melones? Follow that up with post spawn spots at Oroville. Then conquer summer time Bass on the Delta. If you are on top after these tests, you have earned the right to be the "Kings of California"

The "Kings of California" tour presented by 100% Bass is comming to your city; are you man enough to set the hook?

Gary Dobyns · Post by **Gary Dobyns** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:33 pm

You're all wet here Jigs. Shasta has many places to stay within 10 min. of the lake. Don Pedro's facilities suck. Gold Country Motel has only a few rooms. Pedro is big and would be a great tourament lake but there are no facilities. I want to see this Pro-Team thing work, but I am really concerned with a bunch of you guys wanting to travel from Washington to Arizona. Are you guys the same ones that won't fish Shasta cause it's too far? As far as that goes, how many of you have fished a team event on more than one or two bodies of water in the last year? We have had a hard time getting guys to travel to the south for the Western Classic and that's a Pro-Am TOC. With a good schedule in the North, I believe we have a shot at pulling this off. If Bob tries to cover the state with events, I believe these tournaments will never happen. Bob asked for input from the anglers that are planning on fishing. If you're ready to write a check for $3000, please give your ideas. If not, please don't muddy the water. For you guys that remember the region that always out drew all others was the Sac. Valley Region. We used to run 180 to 200 boats. NO other region ever came close. This was the old days, maybe things have changed.

kb · Post by kb » Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:55 pm

I have to agreee with Gary here, If you are not going to fish these events or have never traveled to fish a circuit you really need to be careful with input on this circuit. Many of you are excited and will fish it and many will be an expert on the next thread that comes down the line.

I think the concept has merit and can draw if we don't get too crazy on these lake ideas. For the first year I think Bob needs to keep it in Nor Cal and forget these small lakes or lakes with no facilities to hold a major event. This circuit needs to fish major lakes that can support this type of event.

We need to put this "best in the west gotta travel to all of the west" thought away and get it on the lakes guys will show up to fish. We will have a "best in the west" shot for many of you in 07, you will need to pay $14K in entries and we fish Havasu, Delta, Clear Lake and the Columbia river. First place pays 100k and 50th pays 10k. With that being said this is a great concept and some heavy weight teams will show up and fish and promoting this will be alot of fun for many of us.

This is a great team concept and I hope it goes over well. Oh and Jigs if it took you 45 minutes from Redding to Bridge Bay you needed Map quest and the only time fish were taken to downtown Redding to weigh was the WCB Classics and it was 14 miles to the Convention Center. It was done twice. Once Aaron Martens kicked our butts and the other Dobyns had won by the second of three days. Pedro is a great lake but not for a major event that needs housing.

kb

Colebass · Post by **Colebass** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:55 pm

I'll fish them with you!

Enough already, just because Richard will carry you doesn't mean you need to get all crazy about it!

We all aren't lucky enough to give birth to our team partner. How about you take someone else and I'll fish with him? If not, I'm looking for a partner...........Strader, maybe if he changes his nickname!

Colebass · Post by **Colebass** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:59 pm

The 1996 and 1997 WCB Classics! It was almost seeming like we were going "Big Time"! Drive through weight ins, people in the stands, those were great times!

Thanks for the memories Kent.

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:09 pm

Dobyns gave birth to his partner? Is there nothing this guy can't do?

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:31 am

Although I've said publicly and I know that Cooch agrees, we'd go anywhere that Korny decides to put the tournaments, I also agree fully with Gary and Kent on the subject of where these tournaments are likely to end up.

Research shows that most of the guys running around the map to competitively fish tournaments are from Northern California. The FLW/Stren Series confirms this. Yeah there are guys from SoCal and other neighboring states but the much bigger majority come from NorCal.

The question is what schedule do you need to come out with to have your best chance at pulling together 100 teams that'll sign up in advance to participate?

sTony

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:26 am

Yeah ok Gary I agree. I just was remembering it seemed that back in the 80"s and 90's when I lived in Redding, that alot of guys drove from Redding to Shasta Lake for West Coast Bass tournaments. But now Central Valley is called Shasta Lake City and I guess there are lots of motels close to the lake now . I just don't get out enough anymore.......you guys good luck with this tournament thing, as I told Bob, any help he needs , just give me a call I'll help any way I can..........I just can't build a motel here at Don Pedro yet ! It is in the works and I believe will be here in the next 5 years or less !

thanks

Jigs

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:33 am

That's great to hear that there might be a motel coming sometime down the road to Don Pedro. It'd really make for a much better turnout on what is one of our best fishing lakes in the state. Right now if you're not camping there are really not a lot of alternatives for you and the drive is a pretty good one if you have to stay well off the lake.

A new motel or two would likely get a lot more tournament interest to Don Pedro.

sTony

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:47 am

We noticed that when we moved here a few years back. I think the last major tournament here Gary won back in the 90's, West Coast Bass If i am correct ? Or was it WON Bass ??? Age is setting in ! We have been to everyone about this issue, there is in the works now, shopping centger and motel and maybe a Micky D's !

Thanks all

Jigs

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:48 am

I suppose the big question Gary is where in Southern California would you suggest a 100+ team event be held on that not only has a good bite that could hold up for four straight days of fishng but also has the amenities to handle such a crowd?

I can think of two, Havasu, which I'm being told doesn't event count as a SoCal lake and possibly Nacimiento, which I'm also being told doesn't qualify as a SoCal lake and apparently isn't all that appealing to most SoCal Team Anglers. I had a couple anglers tell me that both of these lakes reperesnt to far a drive for most SoCal teams to consider going. Well if that's the case then how could we possibly expect those same anglers to come to say Shasta or Oroville?

Seems the deeper we get into this the more some area anglers are exposed as not being willing to do much travel at all. And the problem is compounded once again by the size of the lakes down under. Castaic doesn't really have a great amenity base unless you count the high dollar haunts in and around Magic Mountain. And really the same goes for Casitas and Cachuma. Motels aren't as prevelant around Casitas and Cachuma has the higher priced venues in Solvang and Santa Barbara.

Diamond Valley really gets eliminated from the mix because of the motor restrictions involved in going there although it would seem that Hemet would have the motels required. When WON BASS had their pro am on DVL with 80 boats it fished extremely small. I gotta wonder how a drawn down Castaic would be for 100 boats and I also wonder how either Casitas or Castaic would fish with that size of a field.

If I'm forgetting about a SoCal venue that would lure in those anglers and bring them in deep enough to step up to come north for tournaments please clue me in.

Right now I'm figuring that the dollars talked about is a lure for a few teams from SoCal but not nearly as many as would come from NorCal and possibly Oregon or other neighboring states as those anglers do already come with some regularity to fish at Shasta, Oroville or Clear Lake.

sTony

Ray L. · Post by **Ray L.** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:04 am

Well I guess this So. Cal guy had best chime in on this mess.Many of you already know me and already know I am willing to travel for a tournament. I have twice this year gone to the Delta for 1 day events.I would love to go and fish these events as I already have a partner to fish with. I think it is a joke if you don't go to Havasu for 1 event. You are all missing the boat if you don't think Havasu can rival most of your northern cal. fisheries.Remember I said most so don't go all crazy on that small point.
If you want to say you are the best in the state then why don't you want to fish most of the state? Are you afraid to come down to the south and have your money taken from you?
I have come up north and donated just so I can learn your lakes.I know them much better now and am not donating as much anymore.I am all in for this if these events cover the whole state not just your little corner in Northern Cal.
I voted to cover the whole state with Naci and Havasu and the rest up north from me. You can't go to Castaic this year because the water is being dropped 100+ feet for repairs.Casitas is to small and Diamond has motor restrictions.Naci is the next best place with Paso Robles right there to stay. I also feel 1 motherload lake like Melones would work.then go to The Delta and off to Clear lake for the last one. It makes sense if you want to be the best in the state.
If you guys want to keep this in the north don't call yourselves the best in the state. You are the best in the north Period.I don't think that was the original reason for this team circuit. Maybe I am wrong but I thought it was to be the best in the state.
I have talked to a couple of other guys in Southern Cal and they said they were going to fish this if 1 or 2 were down this direction. The only problem is they figure it was going to stay up north for all 5 events and give the north guys who do travel for tournaments a real advantage. So they said what is the point in getting involved.
I am getting involved because I want to get in this and fish.
Now go ahead & start bashing me because I am ready.

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:35 am

I'm willing to bet that Korny will put together a schedule that fits the purpose.

sTony

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:48 am

Ray, please see Cooch's post about Nor Cal boys being scared.

There is a nice hotel abouit 15 min away from Flemming. It has entertainment too. It is at the corner of O'Byrnes Ferry and 108. The "Winking Lantern", strip club, motel. HA!

If I was to fish a major tournament at Pedro, I would hope to launch at Moccasin. It is a short drive to Jamestown and Sonora for everything you need; hotels, fast food, gas, and wally world! Byt Melones still has Pedro beat. Short distance to Angels Camp, Sonora, or Jamestown. Calaveras County was rummored to kick in prize $$ to a major tournament. Melones is a biger lake, free to launch, and fishes better, and has casinos and fairgrouinds near by. Right now, today, Melones is THE lake in the Mother Lode able to host a major event. Jigs, I think we should partner up on a motel project around Pedro. I have seen some big pieces of land on the MLS.

JT-Madera · Post by **JT-Madera** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:06 pm

Although i am from central Cal, I agree with Ray L. if the circuit wants to be the best in cali..then ponyup and go south...at least for one tournament...I vote for Havasu..I'm not afraid to drive south....WON Bass had their Pro-Am Classic at Naci. several years in a row and it fished fine...there are plenty of reasonable motels in the area...then go to Melones, Shasta and finish at the Delta or Clearlake...If we ever want to get the southern cal anglers to come north, then include them in the selection....two teams I spoke to said they would not fish if it was all north...

Havasu has always come up with $$$ for a tournament like this..I really think we need to get this going BEFORE Stren releases their schedule.....

Scott Shambre · Post by **Scott Shambre** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:36 pm

This is getting nearly NO discussion on the southern board which leads me to believe there will be VERY limited support from south of the Grapevine. I think they should be thrown a bone though to see if the ones who are voicing their commitment to this concept actually come thru. As I see it, the ball is squarely in their court, we can and probably will fill this deal from the NorCal anglers, but lets also consider taking it from our traditional tournament infested waters (Clear Lake & The Delta) and try some new places. Either one of the Delta or Clear Lake is great on schedule, but not both in the same year.

LATE FALL/EARLY WINTER.......Oroville or Shasta

WINTER.........Berryessa, Folsom or Melones

LATE WINTER/EARLY SPRING...... Naci or Santa Margarita

SPRING....... Delta or Clear Lake

SPRING/LATE SPRING......Casitas, Cachuma

Run with and see what happens

Scott Shambre

Ray L. · Post by **Ray L.** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:48 pm

Well after talking to a few guys here in the south I can tell you that some of us are in. I hope this gets spread out from late winter until early fall. I would not want to see 1 or 2 things win all of them. I feel to be the best you need to show it all year long at different lakes. Spread out throughout the state. Shasta or Orroville in late winter, Naci in early spring late winter. New Melones in late spring almost summer. Clear lake in summer. Havasu in late sept. Something like that.Spread out all over the state all year long.

Scott Shambre · Post by **Scott Shambre** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:40 pm

and I will probably get hammered for this, but if there is not at least 25-30 teams from south of the Grapevine sending an email to Korny voicing their interest and what they want to see, there probably won't be anything down there this upcoming year. Korny has said that he will move this in the direction of what type of feedback he gets, so far it is only the NorCal guys wanting to step up and commit.

Come on SoCal, what's keeping you from the best team circuit concept in many years???????

Scott Shambre

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