Non-boater chipping in gas money....

StrictlyBiznuss · Post by **StrictlyBiznuss** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:26 pm

Hey Guys...
I know I haven't been visiting this site a whole lot since I've been home from the mission in Arizona, but ya know, things get busy. Actually, I just recently got engaged so that's taking up a lot of my time. But that's ok with me

haha. Anyways, I'm trying to get back into the swing of things with tournament fishing, and I'm planning to fish my first tournament since I've been home this Saturday down here in southern Utah. I'm also planning on fishing as a non-boater, so I was wondering what most of you non-boaters out there are giving there boaters as far as gas money goes. Gas prices are just a bit different than they used to be since I was doing all of this, so I was wondering how much most of you non-boaters give your boaters for gas money. Anywho, any insight would be fantastic!

Alex Meine-------<* ((( ><

Bassin · Post by **Bassin** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:48 pm

I always give $25 - $30......

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:59 pm

30-50 is good if your running around a lot. If you make a long run that should be good. If hes good he prolly wont take your money..

I went as a non boater a few times here in Japan and I give 5000Yen a day and that is like 45bucks but gas is much more expensive here. I wont accept anything over 5000Y if someone gives me more, i hand it back and say thank you.

If you offer too much, they will give it back and say just 30 or thats too much kid...

Kevin Johnson

Calistar · Post by **Calistar** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:22 pm

The one thing that I've found (as a non-boater) is that all boaters are different in the amount of gas money they want or expect. Some guys want a minimal amount of...say, $20. Other guys think that $45 to $50 is closer to a realistic amount.

My advice is to 1.) Communicate with your boater (you'd be really surprised at how many non-boaters don't talk about costs). Talk about how far you will be traveling. If you are on Berressa, launch and stay in the narrows...then its going to cost less than if you run and gun long distances all day on the Delta. Plus keep in mind the cost for launch fees (which keep going up). As a general rule, I let the boater tell me how much is my half. So far, not a single one has taken advantage of me by asking for a crazy amount.

Murph · Post by **Murph** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:36 am

Good advice already, above. If this event is with SUBA, they have a standing rule that you pay the boater's entry fee on a Big Lake, (Powell or Mead) If it's Quail or Gunlock, there isn't much gas being burned.

JT-Madera · Post by **JT-Madera** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:00 am

This subject has been worked and reworked on this web site...But here are my thoughts...Since I have fished both sides, non-boater and boater..

If you are fishing a club event as a non=boater and have no say as to where or when, then $20.00 is fine..I have fished club events where they expect you to pay 50% of expenses and that is just crazy...If I have to fish USED water all day and pay 50% for the "privilege" I would rather just walk the bank alone... In Pro-Ams, each Pro will be different, I just make it a rule on my boat NOT to accept gas money...many times Am's will stuff money in my pocket and insist that I take it..or they will leave it in my truck...Yes it costs money for gas, launch fee's and boats payments. But if 20.00 is going to break me, then I need another hobby.. However just the "OFFER" of money is all most guys want..That shows respect....

If you don't offer to pay something, then I can tell you this....The word will be passed around among the Pro's and you 'might' start getting the cold shoulder..if you stiffed one of my buddies ( didn't make offer of gas money) and you drew me as your Pro I would say something to you about stiffing my buddy and that would be embarrassing to you..So at least MAKE the offer...If the guy showed you a great time and you felt that you were treated well and learned something then by all means offer 30-50 dollars, he might not accept it, but you will have a friend for life..I remember every Am or non-boater who offered extra money and they are Always welcome on my boat..if fact when I am out prefishing for a tournament there are several guys I will call and let them know I have a backseat open for them....friends for life....

I didn't understand the previous post about paying the boaters entry fee, unless he meant to say launch fee...I don't know what SUBA tournaments are....20.00 should cover half the launch fees and gas....

Another subject that needs discussing is the use of tobacco on another guys boat!!!! Please if you Chew or smoke ask your boater (before) the tournament whether it is okay with him and respect his answer....I can't tell you how many times I have drawn guys who either smoke like a train or spit like a fountain....If you guys who chew think you can spit off my boat from the middle of the back seat area ....YOU CAN'T...when I get home there are disgusting brown streaks all over the side of my boat, carpet and engine cowl....Man if it's that important then just swallow the stuff...but don't spit all over my boat...As you can tell I don't chew or smoke and I don't want to enjoy the pleasures of your smoke from my boat..if your habit is that bad then find another hobby...or buy your own boat and you make the rules...

Sorry for the rant....

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:30 am

I AGREE WITH JT 100% ALSO ON THE TOBACCO USAGE ISSUES. I HAVE HAD BURN SPOTS ON MY CARPET . NOW I REFUSE TO BE PAIRED UP WITH A NON-BOATER THAT HAS TO SMOKE DURING THE TOURNAMENT. "MAN CAN'T YOU WAIT A FEW HOURS". I HAVE EVEN TOLD THE DIRECTOR TO PAIR ME WITH ANOTHER NON BOATER. ALSO I HAVE HAD NON BOATERS NOT OFFER TO PAY ANYTHING FOR EXPENSES. WHICH I HONESTLY DO NOT WANT ANYWAY, BECAUSE I AM FISHING THE TOURNAMENT ANYWAY. BUT LIKE JT SAYS ITS THE OFFER THAT COUNTS.

PRETTY EASY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO OFFER, BY THE DISTANCE YOU HAVE RAN AROUND THE LAKE, IF AT ALL. LAUNCH FEES , IF THERE ARE ANY, OR IF THE GUY HAS A ANNUAL PASS ALREADY !
ABOVE ALL. OFFER TO HELP THE GUY WIPE DOWN AND CLEAN HIS BOAT AFTERWARDS !! THAT IS REALLY A BIG PLUS !

JIGS

fishfan · Post by **fishfan** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:57 am

What about the FLW or strens? Same deal $20-$30 per pro per day as a non boater? Just curious, as I may be fishing the strens next year!

Thanks Jeff H.

ash · Post by **ash** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:08 am

I am sorry but being in a club tournament and saying the non-boater shouldnt pay half of the days expenses is bull. Most club by-laws speak to this matter. If one would rather walk the bank then by all means dont fish as a non boater. But to not split costs that is way out of line.

I have fished from the back of the boat for a long time on the club level and always conscience of the costs to operate, but I had NO IDEA of the actual cost until I bought my own boat.

In Utah there are not many large lakes you will be fishing so cost is all relative. If you are fishing Mead or Powell your fuel costs are going to be much greate then say Sand Hollow or Quail for the first two I would think 50-70.00 for the second two could be from 20-35.00.

As far as fishing as an AM in a Pro Am I would honestly call the TD and ask him what you should anticipate in terms of daily costs.

Andy Giannini · Post by **Andy Giannini** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:20 am

tmulliken · Post by **tmulliken** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:09 pm

Why always such a huge discussion over 20-30-40-50 bucks? It's cost money to fish guys, don't be cheap. 20 bucks is OUT.....nada. should'nt be based on how far he ran...............how far did he drive to get to the lake? how about his pre-fish, you know, that Spot he took you to? never ask how much a guy wants, just hand him 40 every time, you'll both be happier. There's more important things to think about when you through fishing, like what a great day it was!

Tom Mulliken

tmulliken · Post by **tmulliken** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:19 pm

unless I misunderstood.............." I made it a rule never to accept gas money".......but "if you don't offer, or you "stiff" one of my buddies, word will get around.......yada, yada. If you don't want gas money, great. That's very generous. Leave it at that. no need to spread someones name around, like you said, you did'nt want it anyway. Nothing personal here, just alittle confusing to some non-boaters.non-boaters, throw out 40 bucks, boaters,take it. end of story.

JT-Madera · Post by **JT-Madera** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:46 pm

Just a note.....I didn't say " I " would spread the word around...It happens..you have to know how fisherman talk about everyone else, who did what, when, who didn't give gas money, who did...we are all like a bunch of old washer wives...telling tales..I said if non-boaters were smart they would at least offer...then leave it up to the boater/Pro to accept or not...I was just giving advice.....if you don't like my post just ignore it....nothing I write is cast in stone....and you made it personal when you repeat another persons post...

Jim Conlow Sr. · Post by **Jim Conlow Sr.** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:33 pm

When I was an Am I always tried to pay for all of the boat gas and oil at the beginning of the day. If you shared a room with some one would you expect not to pay your fair share? How many days did the pro prefish so that he could put you on fish during the tournament. Whatever it was that was money out of his pocket. you also need to consider the gas that he bought to tow the boat to the lakeI always figured that my fair share for a day on the water was equal to what it cost me to buy 20 gallons of gas. Plus the launch fee
I still think that formula works.
So what if you overpay a little. its a hell of a lot better than getting a reputation as a tight wad among the pros.
Im seriously thinking about going back to fishing as an Am this next year. I will be very happy to fish the back seat for from 50 to a hundred bucks depending on the price of gas

Jim Conlow Sr. · Post by **Jim Conlow Sr.** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:39 pm

Add the spillage of scent attractants and the tracking of mud and goose droppings and the walking on the upholstered seats to your list also

Ken C. · Post by **Ken C.** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:28 pm

StrictlyBiznuss wrote:Hey Guys...
Actually, I just recently got engaged
Alex Meine-------<* ((( ><

Hey Alex - Congratulations buddy!!! Good For You!

Ken C. · Post by **Ken C.** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:25 pm

Who, me???

Andy Giannini · Post by **Andy Giannini** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:59 am

Hipster · Post by **Hipster** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:17 am

What in the HELL????????????

He asked about how much money to chip in for gas and helping with launch fees!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You guys start going off about smoking, chewing, spitting, pooping, peeing, let's help the man answer his question!!

Prices have gone up the last few years.

Just be upfront and not imtimiidated, ask your Boater how much do I owe you for Gas and oil today? Pick up the luanch fee automatically upon arrival, why? it sets a good tone to start the day!

Calistar · Post by **Calistar** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:32 am

Just be upfront and not imtimiidated, ask your Boater how much do I owe you for Gas and oil today? Pick up the luanch fee automatically upon arrival, why? it sets a good tone to start the day!

Exactly!
and something else that I do is that once we are out of the water I ask the boater for a rag and some NoSweat and start wiping down the boat. I try to treat his boat as I would treat my own. Wiping down the boat takes less than ten minutes and ends the day on a good note as well.

JT-Madera · Post by **JT-Madera** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:15 am

Isn't this the greatest website!!!! I just want to say how much I personally appreciate all the different opinions and input from all the posters ....I may not agree with other opinions, but it is great to hear other people's thoughts on subjects of interest to me....As long as it doesn't become a personal attack of another's opinion,,,,,this is great....

thanx guys and girls...

now I better go paint the fence...before my wife gets home

Riplip · Post by **Riplip** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:35 am

First...my opinion is "it's the thought that counts". I don't go fishing counting on someone else's money...Things will work out in the end, and you will know who belongs in your boat and who don't...

Now about that bill...you mean the guide service, leaving all those fish for you to catch?

Riplip · Post by **Riplip** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:47 am

I'm fishing for change in my pocket right now...

Jim Conlow Sr. · Post by **Jim Conlow Sr.** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:08 am

Drawing a nonboater in a pro/am is not the same as inviting friends to your house to watch the game. but if I have a friend who freeloads on me constantly i will quit inviting him.
Its called wearing out your welcome

Jim

Jim Conlow Sr. · Post by **Jim Conlow Sr.** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:15 am

I wont fish with a guy who will not let me pay what I consider to be my fair share.

MN · Post by MN » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:12 pm

Paying half for the DAY you fish seem's more than reasonable but to worry how much the "PRO" spent prefishing to put YOU on fish i dont think' so.

I own a boat and yes there are incedental cost but hey it was my decision to buy it and it just come's with it.Just make the offer dont put a specific amount you expect,some guy's it may be about all they can do to put up entry fee's and such just to fish.

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:01 pm

Look, don't be cheap. That's it.

Pay if you want, or don't pay and don't complain that no one calls you to go fishing.

Or, if you are short on cash, drive like hell, HA!

JT-Madera · Post by **JT-Madera** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:46 pm

Talk about drive like hell

A couple of years ago one of my buddies drew this guy as a Am..after the tournament he said he had left his wallet in the car and he would be right back to give him some money for gas....Haha.... that was the last he saw of him...guess it was a big parking lot

We all know his name..he even posts on this site

Dan Sexton · Post by **Dan Sexton** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:14 pm

Having fished tournaments as a boater, from "Red Man" days to present. I can tell you that I would Love to draw Jim or T Milliken any day.

Heres why:

I work, my wife works and I get an allowance. After spending money all month at the Hook, Fishermans, and Auto Life. Getting more tackle from C & C, along with Oil at $18 a gallon (a gallon lasts per 50 gallons of gas), getting the tires, batteries, leaf springs fixed, yearly maintenance, troll motors fixed, lodging...did I mention the gas for the truck and boat...there is alot of tournaments that I wonder if my wife will give me an advance till next pay check so I can pay the entry fee.

So...Jim and t mulliken...

You can share my boat anyday! It would be my pleasure!

And your right, it's not the money (although, my wife "always" asks if my non-boater paid me), it's the "Courtesy".

I choose to cut the money close...hell, if I didn't have an allowance, the kids would eat bread and drink water and have 1 pair of shoes, they wouldn't know how to play "pong" let alone Madden, they wouldn't even be able to spell "video-game" and I would be pre-fishing Havasu in a few weeks...but I choose to stay married and be a father to 2 great kids.

Just my experience,
Dan

macinckirk · Post by **macinckirk** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:04 pm

Here is my 2cents on this, I'm along time boat owner and you know it costs money to run a boat. If I'm fun fishing and a freind goes with me then I don't went any money because I'm going anyways. But if I don't know you or if its a trny then I sure as hell hope my non-boat asks how much is his share.

If your a non boater and think its cool to be able to fish off a nice bazz boat for free then your living in the unreal world. Why should I as a Boater have to pay for everything??? I allready pay for the Boat, Ins. on the boat, maintance on the boat and trailer, The truck to tow the boat, Ins on the truck, maintance on the truck why should you non boaters get a free ride??

Hell when I go as a non-boater I know what the boater is paying out and I try and pay for the day for him also. If your a Non Boater and you cann't give your boater at less $ 50.00 for aday of fishing I would say you need to find a new Hobby. Unless I can use you as a tax write off at the end of the year You need to pay when you get on my Boat

Just my 2cents Sorry if I came off to hard but I didn't work my whole life to just give money away and thats how I look at it

billbeau · Post by **billbeau** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:18 pm

As a non boater I dont mind paying my way but why is it that this stuff isnt discussed before anyone even gets on the road. It seems that alot of assumptions are made on this subject. Wouldnt it be alot easier if both team members or both parties talked about what would be a fair price and if ya cant agree than ya dont go out together. No big deal.

So if ya feel a boater asks too much then just dont go. Its the boater who pays for the boat and everything that goes with it. It should also be the boater that lets the backseat know what he expects in payment for services rendered and if he expects help with the chores like wipeing down the boat.

Now if the boater doesnt want any cash then at least let me bring lunch for both of us or at least let me bring the coffee.

It should also be automagic that we both wipe down the boat and clean up!

I dont like to assume but we all do it now and then but assumeing can and most often creats problems so why not just discuss it up front and then go fishin.

492slayer · Post by **492slayer** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:07 pm

My opinion is that there are no free rides.
1. If I ask you to go fishing in my boat, I feel you are my guest and I am providing everything. I don't expect you to open your wallet.
2. If you ask me to take you fishing, I expect some contribution to help with fuel and stuff. ** See what a day of guided fishing runs ($150-250/seat)
3. My regular fishing partners and I all own bass boats. If we are using the other ones boat, we always throw in $20-50 for gas depending on where we are fishing. We don't ask, it's always been this way.
** I don't fish tournaments on a regular basis, but why should a non-boater expect a free ride? My point is that you might as well dump your boat if your gonna fish a circuit and save all the costs associated with owning and maintaining one.
I guess I'm old school with the way I was raised, but If I invite myself (rarely), I make damn sure I'm paying my way regardless of who wants the money. I'm not too proud to take someone's money for gas if they want to fish in my boat. For example, If I'm running to the delta and going to put some miles on the boat, I'm into the day for at least $100-250, so am I expected to foot the whole bill? If I was independently wealthy, I wouldn't give a damn... just my .02

Jim Conlow Sr. · Post by **Jim Conlow Sr.** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:18 pm

But you hit the nail right on the head. I give away free rides to friends and relatives and sexy girls the rest can stay home if they cant pay their way. How many beers do you buy for a freeeloader once you learn about his character.
I suspect that all of these guys who are talking like 50 bucks is too much are those very guys who want that free ride.
If I am fishing a team tournament my partner is going to get half of the winnings if any. therefore shouldnt he pay half the expenses. Most of my team partners have volunteered to pay the whole entry fee plus gas and launch, simply because they knew what other expenses were involved in boat ownership, and they are like me in that they want to pay their fair share and not be obligated to any man.
If somebody has to ask me what he feels he should pay or if I have to tell him then I dont want to associate with him any more. I will simply tell him to forget it. But I gaurantee you that he will never be welcome to fish with me again. I know that there are many others who take that same attitude. If I want to give away money it will be to my family.

Jim Conlow Sr. · Post by **Jim Conlow Sr.** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:38 pm

I have just spent the last 3 weekends prefishing Shasta in preperation to fish the the Anglers Choice TOC up there. I have 6 nights in motels 18 restaurant meals and roughly $400 in gas between the boat and tow vehicle.
This is a team tournament and my partner could not get away for the practice days.
Lets assume however that this was a pro/am and I had the same pre expenses and the Am wanted to give me $20 for his day on the water. I would be inclined to tear it up and feed it to the wind while he watched.
Dont ask how much the boater wants, thats an embarrassing question. We all know how much gas costs, give the boater enough to buy 20 gallons of gas plus pay for the launch. And if he wont take it insist that he does so that you can maintain your own pride in being a man who pays his own way

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:47 pm

Jim, I'm voting for you in the "love to hate" because you doubble post!!

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:47 pm

Jim, I'm voting for you in the "love to hate" because you doubble post!!

rickyshabazz · Post by **rickyshabazz** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:50 pm

I fished my first Pro/Am as an 18 year old college freshman that had never been to Lake Shasta before the day that I arrived at the WON draw. I spent the entire weekend sleeping in my Honda Civic in the cold of January.

Years later as someone who fishes the Pro side, I realize that I draw anglers that are in the same situation that I was in and I make it a point not to take more than $20 and often refuse money all together. That $20 that you may tear up might just be all that a given angler might have to offer. Back when I was in college, that $20 that I gave for gas might have been my spending money for the entire week.

I think communication is the real issue. I have had guys that I know that learned from an experience watching me do something that was top secret offer no money and anglers that didnâ€™t catch a fish offer $100.00.

billbeau · Post by **billbeau** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:59 pm

I have 6 nights in motels 18 restaurant meals and roughly $400 in gas between the boat and tow vehicle.

Are you saying that the am should cover your motel and meals or half of it?

As far as your fuel costs I have no issue with it. But if you want your am to plan on bringing enough to cover he may ask what do you think it will cost in expenses. Are you embarassed to answer that it it may cost between 400 and 500. Now the am knows he better have 250 in his pocket to cover his end. You my be embarassed by telling him but hes going to be embarassed for not bringing enough and you labeling him as a freeloader.

If we communicate we may not run into any issues.

As far as 20 gallons of gas and the launch fee. It runs 2.63/gal here for 87 octane and 2.83/gal for the 91 and from what I have seen its 10.00 for the launch fee at most ramps.

Comes to 62.60 if you run the 87 and 66.60 for the 91 So I guess that 50 bucks you said was fair isnt now. I guess im not a man because I only offered ya 50.00. If you would have said 20 gallons and the launch fee than I would have brought at least 70.00. Oh yeah you were too embarassed to tell me that. So please make up your mind is it 50 bucks or 20 gallons and the launch fee

Im not trying to be an a$$ on this just pointing out that the lack of communication can and will create problems.

Dan Sexton · Post by **Dan Sexton** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:43 pm

Bill,

I agree 100%. Each case is just that, "case by case". I had a non-boat dig in his pocket after a draw event at Clear Lake, all he had was 2 fives and 5 ones. I knew that the guy was having a hard time, but I also believe in Jim's man-up to your responsibilities, so I took the 2 fives and said, "you need the 5 bucks worse than me, and thanks for chipping in". I was as happy as if the guy had offered me a $100.

After I took the money I had mixed emotions about it because I kinda felt bad, but the realistic side of me said that I would never non-boat and not have money ready to give the boater. But thats me.

Some guys feel that a draw is like a guide trip and they tip according to the trip....if thats the case and you had a good day and you got your Am a check, whats up with the Am not even offering you some money? Thats a totally different question??? Topic for discussion? Did the purse pay for the expenses?

Yes, if I had a guy pull out 2- 5's and 5- 1's agian, I would tell him to keep it. I know alot of boaters say "no" to money when offered, is this good for everyone? Maybe "I" should be embarrased to accept anything? I still think Jim's got the best view and I appreciate his stance.

Dan

macinckirk · Post by **macinckirk** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:05 pm

1st off if your just going out to fish for fun then most the time the boater will tell you what he is looking for as for money.

Now if your fishing a pro-am (and sorry ricky for using what you said) if you can not come up with at less $50.00 for Gas then I don't think you need to show up at the trny. Here is what gets me more then anything here in the west. Most all the guys out here need to have G-Lomiss ( sorry for the spelling but I don't own any because I do own a boat) rods or something close to that in price and then they have to have high end reels 200.00 or more a pop to go with that rod. but they cann't come up with half the money for the trip or gas or whatever. Give me a brake $ 50.00 for gas is nothing now aday

If I was just starting out Bazz fishing and was to get into a trny like ABA, Won Bazz Fed or any of them, and I was a non boater just starting out I would sit down and think about what it would really cost for me to run a boat and then I would try and do unto others as I would like done to me. I'm from the old school of thinking. Now I do understand the fact that the boater and non-boater should talk about this also.

So as a Non Boater I would 1st say this is my name and get to know the boaters name then I would ask is there anything I can do to help you out. Then I would also say OH by the way how much will the day cost me do you think.

See as a boater I allready know what its going to run about and the way I handle it is if we are running to the lake togther and stop for coffee or fuel I'm the 1st out of the truck with my wallet in hand and I'm asking what he needs. If we don't stop and we hit the ramp I'm the 1st 1 with my wallet out to pay for the ramp fee. Trust me at this point if you were to do this the money deal would be talked about and the day would go easy.

Oh and 1 thing When we hit the ramp and I don't care if he /me has a pass for the year that does not make it a free ramp for the non-boater, someone did have to pay for that. I don't care if I fish that lake 3 times a week it still was money out of the boaters pocket sometime. Now that does not mean that he is going to make you pay but dont take it as a givin.

Think of it this way, it takes alot more then just gas to run a boat for the day. You have Gas, Oil, Fuel Cleaner/stay-bli or something like that, Elec the night before from your house to change Batt if you go to a trny close to home. the Boater most of the time has payed for Ice and cold drinks water and etc for the day allready, most the time the boater will have little things to eat like beef sticks and etc. in the boat in cass you forgot something. So just remenber all this and then think!! about all this also when your handing him $20.00 Hell $20.00 now aday does not even get you 8 gals of gas

And I have to say IT's Great that you guys are asking this ??? right now and up front.

Sorry for running at the month about this but It just kills me how some people are

billbeau · Post by **billbeau** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:06 pm

You are correct. So is Jim everyone should offer to pay there way and just like you all im like that. Im also trying to take the devils advocate side of things.

I want to make sure that I do infact pay appropriately so I get invited back and make good friends. Im a resonsible adult. If I car pool with someone I pay for it. I dont freeload.

My first time out with a guy I didnt know for a team tournament I offered him 5 bucks for fuel. Hell I didnt know I had no idea it cost as much as it does. I didnt find out about it till a couple of days later that it runs 40 or so. I made it up though and told him I had no idea. Man was I embarassed. Were still fishing together though and we have fun. Its too bad his work schedual is changing and we cant fish but the tournament. So I gota find a fishin partner

Otherwise once a month fishing is going to cause me to withdrawl and im not ready for bassaholics anonymous yet.

Tobe · Post by **Tobe** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:32 pm

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