And the survey says?

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:58 am

Was at DVL yesterday and the Lake personnel and the local business owners[Last Chance], were taking a survey directly from the fishermen on the off limits policy. Wonder what the tally was? Is a change in the air? Please advise. Rick G.

John Barron · Post by **John Barron** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:08 am

that they are getting very little lake usage during the week. I'm just not sure if it's because of the time of year or the off limits thing.

I have said recently though that I would not be surprised that off limits goes away before the middle of the season.
just my opinion.
jb

Kevin · Post by **Kevin** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:07 pm

If you really think about it, lake usage can't be really that much different from last year when there was no off limits. Of the 40 boats that fished the tournament this past weekend, how many would have pre-fished during the week? My guess is 8 - 10 boats. If DVL is hurting because they are missing out on an extra $100 a day in revenue, then they have bigger issues to worry about.
I think it is way too early to think about scrapping the off limits.

swimb8 · Post by **swimb8** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:25 pm

wow not only the anglers are hurting, but the lakes as well.....hmmmmm.

Mike Phua · Post by **Mike Phua** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:32 pm

I don't think that one tournament will put a damper on their operation but I do think if you have 50 plus tournaments held there and at 10 plus boats a week that would've of pre-fish and potential lost revenue in concessions the number becomes much more substancial over the course of the year. Remember there are back to back tournament days there during the year of which not all anglers fish both days. So the number that would have pre-fished could be more like 15-20 in which the numbers then would be even greater. But then again what do I know I'm in the boat business not a Diamond Valley pre-fish counter.

hippie · Post by **hippie** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:19 pm

Maybe D.V. should think about all that when we fish tournaments there and they letus on so late and don't let tournament directors and there anglers down below for registration and early take off. Wow they got a weak oppinion where have they been for us anglers. no recal grey davis was bad enough. You say there trying well thats gay I know when I've gone down to Castaic a few times the tournament director was able to police the entry of tournament anglers only in the gate . what D.V would you step up for us . I'd give up the pre fish law for sweet easy take off like at perris, castaic , and other sweet lakes that know tournament anglers are there biggest source of income

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:25 pm

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:27 pm

The lake opening/closing times are all based on those darn rats. That is an enviromental corridor that we go up to the launch ramp on. I agree that better lake times would make DVL much more appealing, but we got what we got. Rick G.

C J · Post by **C J** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:38 pm

I think they outta fry those Kanjaroo rats up in 2-stroke oil and have a party at the ramp. Then pour out all that used mix oil into the water. Then use the pots for cigarette butts and dump those in the lake once good and full. And then, when the striper bite is still wide open, all the lakes issues will have been solved. J/K.

hippie · Post by **hippie** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:47 pm

If d.v can't afford a $12,000 loss ayear maybe they should close the lake. wait what a great tax right off its not federal or state land right. also i don't believe half the field is going to be pre fishing or is all tournament anglers rich except for me, I bet alot more guys have to work 5 8's a week

John Barron · Post by **John Barron** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:01 pm

The people that operate the concession don't control the opening and closing......................the Johnson "K" Rat does. We just need to wait and see if MWD puts in the measures they have talked about to solve the problem.

BTW Kevin or Brian is this Johnson K Rat related to you guys???????? I seem to see a slight resemblance. They just seem to have a little more hair on their heads.
jb

Kevin · Post by **Kevin** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:06 pm

I could be mistaken but I think Last Chance was an established business long before the first drop of water started to fill what is now DVL. I bet business at the Arco/Union 76 gas station down the street is way below normal as well. Because of the off limits, the Super Wal-Mart down the street is filing for bankruptcy.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:41 pm

Kbeever · Post by **Kbeever** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:52 pm

Everyone is forgeting why all of the Team Circuits changed to "The week prior off limits". First reason is to give the fish a rest before the tournament. The other is to give working stiffs who wish to compete a more fairer playing field. I fished San Diego circuit and half the people who competed last year were fishing the lakes after work or before work every day the lake was open. How does someone who works for a living come close to competing against those guys? Team tournaments are NOT Pro Tournaments. If someone is making a living on these tournaments, I applaud their very modest life style. Even if someone won 1/3 of the events, that would barely cover his expenses for the year. As for "the same fisherman will still keep winning", then why all of the whining? We all know that when we prefish that we don't beat up our good water, but check it out and try to find new water. That new water is probably going to be someone elseS primary area and get hit by an angler who may not come back, but hit a couple fish from it. And for those of you who claim that you work hard to do your best, you still have 25 days or more to prefish before the off limits are in place. FISH AWAY!

DaveyBoy · Post by **DaveyBoy** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:04 pm

My 2 cents:

I am new to tournaments & I just finished my first one this weekend @ Perris (a big ZERO/ZERO). Although the weather conditions were tough, the guys were still catching fish?#@?

I have only fished at Lake Perris once before the tourney & only caught a couple. I don't know the lake & would like to learn it. BUT...With off-limits in place, we are not allowed to practice(yes, I know we can practice on other lakes, but it's not the same). Therefore, giving the veterans a MUCH bigger advantage on the lake. They know the spots, baits, & trends better than us beginners.

Without even considering the financial losses of the lakes & tackle shops & the Walmart Bankruptcy, I believe that the true loss might just come from the beginners that want in, but are turned off by the politics. I for one would like to improve & be able to compete with the guys that win these events on a regular basis.

Fishing should be encouraged at all levels. That is how the sport will survive. Taking away fishing will only prevent me from getting better. If I can fish the five days before the tournament, it doesn't mean that I am going to win on Saturday. It simply means that I get to practice on NON-TOURNAMENT time.

I don't really understand the "off-limits" policy in the first place. It would seem to me that the only reason that one would want it would be that it gives an advantage to the veterans & not the novice. Not the other way around.

If I am wrong, I would like to know why.

If I am to continue to DONATE my money to these tournaments, I would like to know if there was a vote for "OFF-LIMITS" & what was the outcome(besides the obvious).

Anyway, I'll probably still contribute my $$$ to the sport because I'm hooked, but I can't say so much for other newbies. From the outside looking in, it looks like these tournaments are dominated by a handfull of guys. If the "really good" anglers want more money in the pot, they should try to give the advantage to the new guy, before taking it all back on game day! On the other hand, if the new guys wins a big check, that's great for advertising, which would then attract more $$$. Are you getting this?

Brian Linehan · Post by **Brian Linehan** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:25 pm

DaveyBoy · Post by **DaveyBoy** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:26 pm

Noluk · Post by **Noluk** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:29 pm

Anglers Choice Diamond Valley will have a vote at the first tournament regarding off limits. Whatever the anglers want is what we will go with. To be honest, I can see both sides of this issue. But I do strongly feel there will never be a level playing field. Someone is always going to be on a hot bite or pattern. Someone will always hear more information than someone else from someone else. And there will always be top sticks that are going to be tough, off limits or no off limits. The only way to beat them is to weigh more fish on the day that it matters. A very strong consideration for me as a tournament director is potenial and actual sponsers and their revune streams. The biggest consideration for me will be the anglers who fish Anglers Choice.

I will not have an off limits for the first tournament and will go with whatever the anglers (at the first tournament) decide for the rest of the year.

George Fedor

DeltaBound · Post by **DeltaBound** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:39 pm

I wonder how many folks changed there mind about this Off Limits business? Another vote? if not, there's always yo mama jokes

.

Rob Cummings · Post by **Rob Cummings** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:46 pm

Off limits..no off limits...who gives a flyin flippin ****? Just play the cards you're dealt and deal with it. I had no idea there was this much drama and pissin and moanin in the so cal bass fishin world! Cheaters will always cheat and the greedy will always be greedy. Those of us who have the deep personal drive to get better will find a way. Don't use the "lake was off-limits so i couldn't catch fish" excuse because you suck. Admit you suck nuts and work around it.

There are pros and cons to both sides of it so I no longer personally care if it goes either way. I'm just happy to have the opportunity to fish so many tournaments. Many people in this world don't even have clean water to drink, let alone so many lakes to run a boat around and fish in. Our boats cost more money than a lot of people make in a year in this country. Just be greatful for what you have and make the best of it.

Rob Cummings · Post by **Rob Cummings** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:48 pm

Brian Linehan wrote:

hahahaha....nice work!!

Mike Phua · Post by **Mike Phua** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:50 pm

Great post David........................like you I'm new to the site as well and I guess back in July or august they had a vote on off-limits and the majority of the anglers voted for it. It's unfortunate because it's very hard to police who actually fishes the tournaments and who dosen't on this forum. I really wish the subject could have been brought up at their respective regions and let the anglers who actually show up make the decision. Cause at the end of the day they are the ones who support you.

MP

DeltaBound · Post by **DeltaBound** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:51 pm

DaveyBoy · Post by **DaveyBoy** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:09 pm

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:37 pm

Hey Mike Phua, now that you are on this site, Kyle says all it needs is Mitch Southern to be complete. Those pictures are a crackup. Now that A/C has no off limits it will be interesting to see how the turnout is. In the last year NBW, ABA, and WON have all outdrawn A/C at DVL, so this will be a good test. Rick G.

Shawn R. · Post by **Shawn R.** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:42 pm

"It puts the lotion on the skin"

DaveyBoy · Post by **DaveyBoy** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:07 pm

Lotion...I like it!

Guy Williams · Post by **Guy Williams** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:18 pm

Don't you all cry about the off limits now! Maybe the orgs should have listened to some guy at the state permit draw thingy duhicky earlier this year(his name rimes with "dutch"). You all should have just said "NO" and came up with some jack a$$ excuse not to have the off limits. Live with it! I've seen more non-winning anglers in the top 10 so far than in most years, that's cool to me. Yes, even at Perris. If you didn't get a fish at perris and you feel that some days on the water would have helped then maybe you should have been at the lake last weekend or the last twenty weekends. All I know this trend is full of crap, get over it and fish another lake if you want fish durring the week. I know some of you only can catch fish in YOUR home lake but maybe some of you will learn something or two by fishing some of the other 10 lakes advailable durring the week. This trend blows!
Guy Williams

DTaylor · Post by **DTaylor** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:27 pm

Well said Mike,,,,

Dennis Taylor

DaveyBoy · Post by **DaveyBoy** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:29 pm

Whoah! Y'all are pretty intense.

Guy Williams wrote:Don't you all cry about the off limits now! Maybe the orgs should have listened to some guy at the state permit draw thingy duhicky earlier this year(his name rimes with "dutch"). You all should have just said "NO" and came up with some jack a$$ excuse not to have the off limits. Live with it! I've seen more non-winning anglers in the top 10 so far than in most years, that's cool to me. Yes, even at Perris. If you didn't get a fish at perris and you feel that some days on the water would have helped then maybe you should have been at the lake last weekend or the last twenty weekends. All I know this trend is full of crap, get over it and fish another lake if you want fish durring the week. I know some of you only can catch fish in YOUR home lake but maybe some of you will learn something or two by fishing some of the other 10 lakes advailable durring the week. This trend blows!
Guy Williams

Al M · Post by **Al M** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:34 pm

Who gives a s h i t about "the survey".It is what it is deal with it you flipping whiners.

DaveyBoy · Post by **DaveyBoy** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:51 pm

DeltaBound wrote:

That's some funny SH#T!

Rob Cummings · Post by **Rob Cummings** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:58 pm

DaveyBoy wrote:alright AF ***. Obviously I am playin the cards & paying my fees. I think that entitles me to my opinion. Nobody asked you to chime in with your view on life. I too am thankful for what I have & the things I can do. I just want to fish, not argue with someone like you....So I suggest that you should be the one to stop "pissin and moanin" about the things I say & go fish....oh wait, you can't because it's off limits.....

Hey Daveyboy,

Not one thing in my post was directed at you personally so I don't know where the hell you're coming from with that. Along with that, take your name calling and shove it strait up your ***. There was no attempt to argue with you or anyone else.

With that out of the way, you posted your "2 cents". I have every right to post my own 2 cents, that once again, was not directed at YOU. More people view this site than just Daveyboy, get over it. And who the **** are you to say "someone like you"? You don't know a damn thing about me. Take your own advice and shut up and fish. Just because one lake is off limits doesn't mean you can't fish numerous other lakes in the area. Off limits on one lake will never keep me from fishing another one.

DaveyBoy · Post by **DaveyBoy** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:05 pm

my bad...

I thought you were talking to me. But I won't shove it up my Arse! You can keep that one.

Rob Cummings · Post by **Rob Cummings** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:17 pm

[quote="DaveyBoy"]my bad...

I thought you were talking to me. But I won't shove it up my Arse! You can keep that one.

[quote="AFbass"]

That's fine, I'll keep it. That shat happens man, it's all good.

Mike Phua · Post by **Mike Phua** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:40 pm

Since we're all of sudden super stud fisherman and we're much more studlier all of sudden because we have off-limits. JUST CURIOUS. Are you afraid a bunch of rookies or retired guys are gonna come out and kick your asses? Or are you afraid of the guys who have better work schedules than you and you feel you can't compete with that? What is it? Or I like this one the best......."We want to let the lake rest." Are you f***ing kidding me. It's funny how all of sudden your a big p***y and a whiner because you oppose the off limits, when I recall seeing many of you fools campaigning this off-limits subject like your the Bass Masters Champion on the water the week of Game Day in the years past.

Why don't all of the directors from the org's get together and vote for always off-limits or not. No changing, no voting, no in between. The norm from 5-6 years ago was always off limits and it was fine back then cause that's all we knew. Why change it and then change it back and then vote on it at the end of the year again. ARE YOU KIDDING ME! Keep it off-limits always. No voting no polls.

DougH · Post by **DougH** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:51 pm

Interesting thread here. We got whinny left wing "let's vote again" in one corner, and "F-that you pu--ies, just sack up and fish wimp" he-men on the right side.

Is change bad? Or, do we just stay the course, just becuz that's the way it's always been.

Let the lake rest, hehe, well actually, just let my spots rest. Lets fish the crap out of your area..

I personally like the off limits, but only because I work all week, and I don't want anyone working the fish in my favorite spots all Friday long. But...I have every other Friday off, and it would be nice to be able to go and zero some fish in the day before.

Our brave young men are dying out there to allow people in other countries the right and the freedom to vote in a democratic system, to allow the voice of the majority to decide the issues at hand. Why couldn't there be a box to check or not on each sign in sheet we fill out for each tourney. That way EVERYONE who fishes the tourneys would have a vote to voice. We follow the decision either way. In other words, I have my preferences, but I will abide to the will of the majority.

Guy Williams · Post by **Guy Williams** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:45 pm

Hey MP, I don't like to prefish our small lakes anyhow. Hell, I don't spend very much time prefishing at the river lakes either. While your out on Sat I'll be drinking a 18 pack. I'll see you Sunday where the steel meets the rocks, or than 1 other place that holds a few bass.
Guy Williams

DAKINE198 · Post by **DAKINE198** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:02 pm

Is that some kinda code??? Where the steel meets the rocks? Neva heard that before. What does it mean?

Guy Williams · Post by **Guy Williams** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:18 pm

That's where my steel meets his two cheeks of rocks. He's going to take it down the smell hole this weekend. MP, if you are not at those two places I'll see you where the rubber meets the mud.
Guy Williams

Brian Linehan · Post by **Brian Linehan** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:20 pm

Its 909 for, "I'm goona kick your ***."

Mike Phua · Post by **Mike Phua** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:32 am

don't think for one second that your having that 18 pack to yourself. I get half. As for Sunday I know you don't have to pre-fish you and Pete are just gonna follow Mike and I all day!

I'll let you tie up to me like Pete tried to do last weekend.

Schneider Fishing · Post by **Schneider Fishing** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:02 pm

Last weekend wind. This weekend rain. I may stay home. I might melt. Actually I haven't made up my mind. I know the fish are in the hole but I've had trouble catching them this year with the crowd at the inlet. Anybody need a back seater. This way I can fish and keep my boat dry.

Matt M. · Post by **Matt M.** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:11 pm

Schneider Fishing wrote:Last weekend wind. This weekend rain. I may stay home. I might melt. Actually I haven't made up my mind. I know the fish are in the hole but I've had trouble catching them this year with the crowd at the inlet. Anybody need a back seater. This way I can fish and keep my boat dry.

Crybaby...

Matt

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