Golden mussels might be a good thing....

[stickbait]

Got to thinking these mussels might have just shut down this whole twin tunnel program for old Newsom. No way are the people of the south going to want them shipped into the southern water ways via the tunnels... what ya all think?

Maybe their whole mussel scare program just derailed everything. People against the tunnels better jump on this one !

[hydro]

Pretty sure I read they had been found in San Luis Reservoir and section of the canal down in that area of Central California . I think they want to start the tunnel(s) close to Sacramento to tap the cleaner water way upstream of the Delta so they don't have to export the poor quality Mussell infested water south . Not to be a "Conspiracy Theorist " but could this Golden Mussell discovery be a Red Herring so they have ammunition for pushing thru the tunnel project to prevent spreading these Golden Mussells with the Delta water?

[Dave Brabec]

Delta water gets pumped south every day. Has for years. Hasn’t changed.

[stickbait]

Delta water gets pumped south every day. Has for years. Hasn’t changed.

yep so true... in the canals...

[stickbait]

Pretty sure I read they had been found in San Luis Reservoir and section of the canal down in that area of Central California . I think they want to start the tunnel(s) close to Sacramento to tap the cleaner water way upstream of the Delta so they don't have to export the poor quality Mussell infested water south . Not to be a "Conspiracy Theorist " but could this Golden Mussell discovery be a Red Herring so they have ammunition for pushing thru the tunnel project to prevent spreading these Golden Mussells with the Delta water?

The tunnel program started way way before these mussels where found in oct..IMO it should shake up the whole program now..

[MichaelB]

Don't think this logic helps.
True, the "Delta Tunnel" will capture supposedly clean water closer to Sacramento. It gets transported South "via the Tunnel" to Clifton Court Forebay where it is co-mingled with Delta water ..... before it gets shipped South via Delta Mendota Canal and the Calif Aqueduct. The water does not bypass the Delta when captured near Sacto.

[JVGondal]

Yes that’s correct

Governor Jerry Brown first announced the Peripheral Canal project during his initial term as governor in the late 1970s. In 1980, he signed legislation authorizing the canal, which aimed to divert water from the Sacramento River around the Sacramento–San Joaquin Delta to supply Central and Southern California. However, the project faced significant opposition and was ultimately rejected by voters through Proposition 9 in June 1982 .

Decades later, during his third term, Governor Brown revisited the concept. On July 25, 2012,
Now that the system is controlled by the demorat left being the good commies they are we don’t get to vote on it. They know what’s best. I’m I wrong?
When did you vote for a tunnel?

Arnold the wolf is Sheep’s clothing tried to get it done as well. I would t worry too much about a tunnel. He said the levy system would fail 25 years ago
It will take decades to complete if they ever start it
Much like a train.
Peliso and the criminal gang wanted to eradicate the delta of largemouth bass and stripes as invasive species responsible for the decline in salmon
Recall that ? It’s still an idea. Won’t happen with stripes living in the ocean bay and delta
Shows their intelligence.
. The salmon were already in big trouble so not too worried there. They know the striper and salmon coexisted with one another in great numbers for a 100 years. Stripes are not the cause of salmon decline. It’s lack of good water.
Once all three of those species are gone there will be no opposition to keeping water in the delta. No game fish no fishermen half their battle is won
They will do whatever makes them richer selling more water we do not have.
Yeah keep on believing the environmental lies and we will have a concrete aqueduct system instead of a fishery. Good going blue no matter who
These are not just my made up opinions. Fact check if in doubt. I lived it. You will get the same answers from anyone who has followed the scam

[TonyM]

They’ve already been found in Bethany Reservoir and Contra Loma they say. If true, probably well on their way South.

[stickbait]

Don't think this logic helps.
True, the "Delta Tunnel" will capture supposedly clean water closer to Sacramento. It gets transported South "via the Tunnel" to Clifton Court Forebay where it is co-mingled with Delta water ..... before it gets shipped South via Delta Mendota Canal and the Calif Aqueduct. The water does not bypass the Delta when captured near Sacto.

If the mussels have been brought in via ballast water from ships and found in the port of stockton area.... and ships also use the port of Sacramento there should be mussels through out the system from the north down. We are not hearing anything about the northern port. Actually we are not hearing of any inspections, marina docks, house boats, bouys..ect ect at any of the lakes. Only inspections of boats going into the water at lakes.

[HawgHunter49]

Big picture, This is a chess game the state is playing
And their ultimate goal is to get rid of gas powered
Engines. It’s way more than just a golden mussel issue. Lake St. Clair has been doing great as a fishery and they have invasive mussels.

Maybe they should focus more on the roadways
And leave the pleasure crafts alone?

[JVGondal]

Maybe the should realize we have the cleanest burning gasoline engines in the world.
Nothing is good enough for the *** hats running Ca
Until it’s ruined

[Drakestar]

Lake St. Clair has been doing great as a fishery and they have invasive mussels.

"Costs Associated with Invasive Mussels Impacts and Management"
https://data.usbr.gov/rise/content-rise ... _508_0.pdf

"Expanded aquatic plant coverage, as a result of increased water clarity, can have negative economic
impacts. [...] Aquatic plant coverage can decrease the quantity and quality of recreational activities. Activities such
as angling, boating, and swimming can be negatively impacted (Newroth 1985). For example,
Eurasian watermilfoil an invasive aquatic plant, can cause a decline in sport fish populations and
diversity which can negatively impact recreational angling (Eiswerth et al. 2000). Walleye in
Lake St. Clair decreased by 50-75 percent due to increased light penetration, which can be attributed
to a mussel infestation (Vanderploeg 2003)."

"The potential costs to fisheries, hatcheries, and spawning runs due to a mussel invasion are severe.
In Lake Huron, salmon and alewife populations have declined, causing a $19 million/year decrease
in sport fishing revenues (Michigan DNR 2010). An infestation in the Columbia River Basin or
Snake River could cost hundreds of millions of dollars annually, and counter recent investments to
restore fish runs in the area (Mann 2010, IEAB 2013). In addition to the cost of damaged habitat
and the threat posed to other species, reduced populations of keystone species such as salmon
would be economically damaging."

[Drakestar]

That report has a lot of great examples and data on how much of a PITA mussel infestations are, how much they are costing us, and how they're impacting fisheries and recreational activities. I suggest everybody who feels like posting strong opinions on the issue actually read it first.

Look, the Golden Mussel restrictions SUCK. California, as a state, isn't exactly perfect and I agree with many complaints that people have leveled at the state government. But it feels like emotion is getting the better of too many people. It's great to relieve stress by bitching about the situation. It's not okay to fall into conspiracy theories and baseless claims.

[JVGondal]

The fact that Ca is attacking anything and everything that runs on gasoline is not a conspiracy theory in my opinion.
The fact they had us wear a mask and stay home against our will was not a conspiracy theory.
The mussel situation is a gift to them to use as an excuse to shut us down
I don’t think our boats spread the zebra around did it?

I get it. Restrictions on boating is not the answer to invasive species. Why not give out tickets to boaters leaving or entering with a dirty boat?

Look that the big picture. We have fewer and fewer freedoms and outdoor activities as time passes.
Look at out ATV and forest trails. Look at Lake Tahoe. No 2 strokes allowed
You can damn well bet no 4 strokes is next despite the fact Ca has the cleanest burning outboards on the planet. We had the cleanest burning 2 strokes at one time.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m all for being clean and dry and not moving species around.
Clean environment and all. These nuts just take it to extreme measure using some new jerk term like
“In an abundance of caution”. They do so good they are doing damage.
It will work out. Sooner or later

[Drakestar]

If we wanna bitch, I'm pissed at CA officials not actually enforcing the rules that were designed to prevent mussels from arriving here in the first place: https://calmatters.org/environment/2024 ... ter-ships/

AFAIK recreational boats did spread mussels in Southern California. For edification, here's a map of the current mussel spread in SoCal. It's a bit of a shitshow down there: https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx ... 819&inline

As for combustion engines, I'm okay with trying to phase them out, but I don't like mandates. I have dual citizenship with Germany, so I know a bit about car culture and going fast The real key to saving the planet is to make electric motors so cheap and ubiquitous that countries that China and India want to adopt them because they make more economic sense than gas-burning engines.

[CrankyOne]

That report has a lot of great examples and data on how much of a PITA mussel infestations are, how much they are costing us, and how they're impacting fisheries and recreational activities. I suggest everybody who feels like posting strong opinions on the issue actually read it first.

Look, the Golden Mussel restrictions SUCK. California, as a state, isn't exactly perfect and I agree with many complaints that people have leveled at the state government. But it feels like emotion is getting the better of too many people. It's great to relieve stress by bitching about the situation. It's not okay to fall into conspiracy theories and baseless claims.

Who are you to decide what is a conspiracy theory and/or a baseless claim? You don't agree with the comments so it has to be a conspiracy?
I miss the good ol days when people had common sense. Unfortunately, common sense isn't as common as it used to be. Enjoy the Kool aid drakestar.

[Kennortonjr]

That report has a lot of great examples and data on how much of a PITA mussel infestations are, how much they are costing us, and how they're impacting fisheries and recreational activities. I suggest everybody who feels like posting strong opinions on the issue actually read it first.

Look, the Golden Mussel restrictions SUCK. California, as a state, isn't exactly perfect and I agree with many complaints that people have leveled at the state government. But it feels like emotion is getting the better of too many people. It's great to relieve stress by bitching about the situation. It's not okay to fall into conspiracy theories and baseless claims.

Who are you to decide what is a conspiracy theory and/or a baseless claim? You don't agree with the comments so it has to be a conspiracy?
I miss the good ol days when people had common sense. Unfortunately, common sense isn't as common as it used to be. Enjoy the Kool aid drakestar.

Claims about “false flag” boats being purposely caught (with the inspection workers presumably being in on it) were completely baseless. I’ve been through the inspection for Oroville, it’s just honest everyday people conducting the checks. Personally, I welcome the mitigation efforts for the sake of a reservoir I love. You’ve heard of the paranoid style in American politics? (Probably not). This is the paranoid style in western bass fishermen.

And people can disagree with you and not be devoid of common sense, it always goes to such an extreme level with many of you. Granted you are “the cranky one” - so maybe you’re just living up to your name here.

[JVGondal]

I’m for phasing out the democrats in power
I’m not for phasing out the combustion engine.
If you really look at what it takes to build electric cars and more combustion cars you will find the lowest impact environmentally is to build cars that can be rebuilt as the least impact is to continue to drive what we have longer

How can you not see what’s going on? We continue to have an increasing amount of bans , regulations, restrictions, closures, taxes that soon enough you won’t be able to do anything at all
Just look what’s happened in the last few years

[Drakestar]

Who are you to decide what is a conspiracy theory and/or a baseless claim? You don't agree with the comments so it has to be a conspiracy?
I miss the good ol days when people had common sense. Unfortunately, common sense isn't as common as it used to be. Enjoy the Kool aid drakestar.

“A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that asserts the existence of a conspiracy (generally by powerful sinister groups, often political in motivation), when other explanations are more probable.”

Enjoy your well-chosen username, CrankyOne

I hope people will read the study I posted for perspective.

[JVGondal]

Cranky one has to do with fishing a crank bait

Read your story. Why not just shut down boating entirely ? That’s the only way to be sure.

[jiggin4bass]

JV they've got a good start on shutting boating down give them a month or two more they'll have the entire state shut to boating minus the delta.
Keep your fingers crossed

[mark poulson]

The whole mussel issue is CYA for lake and water management.
Look at Casitas. When the Quagga mussel first became a threat, Casitas closed the lake to any boat that hadn't been inspected and then quarantined for 30 days. The rationale was that their water delivery infrastructure would be come contaminated, and require costly maintenance to keep it operational. That lake is run by the water board for Ventura, all elected, and no one wanted to have the mussel arrive on their watch, or that would be used against them in the next election.
All of lakes that are water supply lakes have the same concerns. People want to keep their jobs.

[CrankyOne]

JV is correct, as usual. My handle Crankyone refers to fishing crankbaits for those of you who don't understand the fishing analogy.
Baseless claims about false flag boats eh? Hilarious. So when state parks posted a pic of a boat that allegedly failed an inspection at folsom and it just happened to be the exact same pic from an allegedly failed inspection at berryessa, we're not supposed to connect the dots? Sorry but that wasn't a mistake as they claimed.
Nobody is being negative toward the people working at these inspection locations. That's not the issue. Charging over $100 on average at some lakes for an inspection is part of the issue.
As many have stated, this IS just the beginning. Once fishing and fuel become unaffordable to the average person, it's game over. With oil refineries here closing or relocating due to unachievable regulations over the next 2 years, fuel costs will skyrocket. Forget about fishing as it was, how will anyone be able to afford to commute back n forth to work at that point. Oh nevermind, I'm just being "cranky".

[JVGondal]

The whole mussel issue is CYA for lake and water management.
Look at Casitas. When the Quagga mussel first became a threat, Casitas closed the lake to any boat that hadn't been inspected and then quarantined for 30 days. The rationale was that their water delivery infrastructure would be come contaminated, and require costly maintenance to keep it operational. That lake is run by the water board for Ventura, all elected, and no one wanted to have the mussel arrive on their watch, or that would be used against them in the next election.
All of lakes that are water supply lakes have the same concerns. People want to keep their jobs.

What are the restrictions today? Have they changed?
Because people want to keep their jobs boating freedoms should be lost?
Prison guards want to keep their jobs. Should we put more people in jail for frivolous infractions?

[Kennortonjr]

JV is correct, as usual. My handle Crankyone refers to fishing crankbaits for those of you who don't understand the fishing analogy.
Baseless claims about false flag boats eh? Hilarious. So when state parks posted a pic of a boat that allegedly failed an inspection at folsom and it just happened to be the exact same pic from an allegedly failed inspection at berryessa, we're not supposed to connect the dots? Sorry but that wasn't a mistake as they claimed.
Nobody is being negative toward the people working at these inspection locations. That's not the issue. Charging over $100 on average at some lakes for an inspection is part of the issue.
As many have stated, this IS just the beginning. Once fishing and fuel become unaffordable to the average person, it's game over. With oil refineries here closing or relocating due to unachievable regulations over the next 2 years, fuel costs will skyrocket. Forget about fishing as it was, how will anyone be able to afford to commute back n forth to work at that point. Oh nevermind, I'm just being "cranky".

Where do you see golden mussel inspections of $100 “on average”?

[JVGondal]

80 dollars for a bass boat decontamination at Berry. It’s more for a larger boat from what I hear.

[JVGondal]

I found this for berryessa
• Simple Decontamination: $60
• Applies to vessels with one system and an open bilge (e.g., jet skis, small boats without floorboards or compartments). 
• Intermediate Decontamination: $120
• For vessels with 2–3 systems, including enclosed bilges (e.g., bass boats, larger aluminum fishing boats, pontoons, bow-riders, ski boats without ballast). 
• Complex Decontamination: $170
• Applicable to vessels with 4–5 systems (e.g., wakeboard boats, cabin cruisers, ski boats with ballast, houseboats, multi-engine speed boats). 
• Additional Systems: $30 per system beyond five
• Includes features like wash-down pumps, air conditioners, kicker motors, generators, water slides, anchor lockers, additional bilge compartments, and other intakes. 
• Ballast Tank Fees:
• Empty Ballast Tank: $30
• Undrained Ballast Tank: $60
• Vessels Over 30 Feet: An additional $10 per foot over 30 feet. 

[CrankyOne]

JV is correct, as usual. My handle Crankyone refers to fishing crankbaits for those of you who don't understand the fishing analogy.
Baseless claims about false flag boats eh? Hilarious. So when state parks posted a pic of a boat that allegedly failed an inspection at folsom and it just happened to be the exact same pic from an allegedly failed inspection at berryessa, we're not supposed to connect the dots? Sorry but that wasn't a mistake as they claimed.
Nobody is being negative toward the people working at these inspection locations. That's not the issue. Charging over $100 on average at some lakes for an inspection is part of the issue.
As many have stated, this IS just the beginning. Once fishing and fuel become unaffordable to the average person, it's game over. With oil refineries here closing or relocating due to unachievable regulations over the next 2 years, fuel costs will skyrocket. Forget about fishing as it was, how will anyone be able to afford to commute back n forth to work at that point. Oh nevermind, I'm just being "cranky".

Where do you see golden mussel inspections of $100 “on average”?

https://musseldecon.com/information/

$50-$125+ depending on the complexity of the watercraft. Oh ya, also a $50 non refundable deposit required at time of booking.

[CrankyOne]

https://app.acuityscheduling.com/schedule/d7392713

$120 for a bass boat inspection at berryessa and $100 fee for no show of appt.

[JVGondal]

That same house boat story was at Orville too?

[stickbait]

That same house boat story was at Orville too?

Today Pleasure Cove Marina received a houseboat from the Delta that was supposed to have been cleaned before being transported to the lake. Upon arrival at Lake Berryessa, staff at Pleasure Cove observed hundreds of golden mussels on the boat. THIS BOAT WAS NOT ALLOWED TO LAUNCH as the transporter had not cleaned the boat. While this boat had been quarantined for over 60-days, it will still go through a thorough cleaning, decontamination and additional quarantine.
The Solano County Water Agency wants to thank the staff at Pleasure Cove Marina for protecting the lake from golden mussels and remind everyone that these mussels pose a very real threat to the lakes that we love and enjoy. They cause fisheries to crash, promote toxic algal blooms, damage boats as well as clog water conveyance for agriculture, cities and industrial facilities.
To learn more about the Solano County Water Agency's mussel prevention program, please visit our website at www.scwa2.com.
Lake Berryessa


DWR's newly implemented invasive mussel inspection program for State Water Project facilities in Oroville uncovered golden mussels attached to a pontoon boat late Wednesday afternoon in Butte County. Staff immediately contacted the California Department of Fish and Wildlife (CDFW) for further inspection and decontamination. The vessel will not be allowed to launch at a DWR reservoir until CDFW confirms that it is free of mussels.
The pontoon had been out of the Delta waters for an unknown period and was purchased Wednesday morning in Stockton by Oroville-area residents who planned to launch the boat at Lake Oroville for the Memorial Day weekend. The boat was brought to DWR’s inspection site at the North Thermalito Forebay where golden mussels ranging in size from approximately 1/8 inch to ¾ inch were discovered during the inspection.
Learn more in today's Lake Oroville Update https://water.ca.gov/.../May-25/Orovill ... -5-22-2025

OROVILLE — A boat going through the inspection process at the Thermalito Forebay on Wednesday was deemed positive for the golden mussel, an invasive species that the California Department of Water Resources is trying to keep away from local waterways.

Inspections began on Monday at the Forebay where boaters must go through a checkpoint where workers thoroughly check the watercraft for standing water and signs of the mussel.

DWR issued a statement on Thursday that said the mussel was found on a pontoon boat. According to the statement, the boat was purchased on Wednesday morning by residents of the Oroville area. The statement said the watercraft had been away from the waters in the delta for “an unknown period.”

“Staff immediately contacted the California Department of Fish and Wildlife for further inspection and decontamination,” the release from DWR said. “The vessel will not be allowed to launch at a DWR reservoir until the Department of Fish and Wildlife confirms that it is free of mussels.”

More info: https://www.orovillemr.com/2025/05/23/g ... t-forebay/

After implementing an inspection and quarantine program at Folsom Lake to try to stop the spread of golden mussels, California State Parks officials said the highly invasive aquatic species was found attached to a boat.
Nearly 5,000 vessels have been inspected so far. Officials said golden mussels were found attached to a boat during an inspection on Tuesday at Beals Point.
"The inspection and quarantine program we have implemented is in place to protect billions of dollars of water and hydroelectric infrastructure in addition to recreation and the fishery," Folsom Lake State Recreation Area Superintendent Mike Howard said. "The discovery of live golden mussels [on Tuesday] validates the importance of this effort."
Tap this link for the latest updates on the ongoing fight against the invasive species: https://www.cbsnews.com/.../folsom-lake-golden.../...

[Kennortonjr]

80 dollars for a bass boat decontamination at Berry. It’s more for a larger boat from what I hear.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the reservoirs managed by the federal government are charging for inspections and the reservoir (to this point) managed by the state of California is providing a free inspection. That being Oroville. Maybe write to Trump?

[JVGondal]

California hardly provides a free anything unless you are a drug user need a sex change or arrived illegally from another country

At new Melones it’s the Marina charging
At berryessa it’s the county charging
Might write Trump to ban socialist authoritarian rule in Ca but then the commie party will try to put him in prison and or shoot him again
You might check with a mental health specialist for Trump derangement syndrome. I noticed symptoms in you

[mateo93]

That’s an interesting angle

[stickbait]

California hardly provides a free anything unless you are a drug user need a sex change or arrived illegally from another country

At new Melones it’s the Marina charging
At berryessa it’s the county charging
Might write Trump to ban socialist authoritarian rule in Ca but then the commie party will try to put him in prison and or shoot him again
You might check with a mental health specialist for Trump derangement syndrome. I noticed symptoms in you

Melones is not to cheap...My biggest problem with the whole program is that one lake don't honor another lakes decon or banding....which IMO once your are clean and banded you should be able to go anywhere....go to the dirty delta and you pay again..seems all pretty simple to me BUT the cash cow cant make any money once people are clean..

Not to mention the 16 dollar mussel few everyone already pays and that's a whole different topic!!!

https://musseldecon.com/decontamination-pricing/

[Kennortonjr]

California hardly provides a free anything unless you are a drug user need a sex change or arrived illegally from another country

...or need a boat inspected for golden mussel.

[JVGondal]

How is it a need?
Because big brother said so ?
What you suggest is authoritarian communism
Burden on the individual: Time, cost, and inconvenience.
Compelled compliance: Even if the individual poses no risk, the law assumes that everyone must be checked.

[Kennortonjr]

How is it a need?
Because big brother said so ?
What you suggest is authoritarian communism
Burden on the individual: Time, cost, and inconvenience.
Compelled compliance: Even if the individual poses no risk, the law assumes that everyone must be checked.

Great in practice!

But sadly a naive philosophy to advocate in the real world (in 2025 no less).

[jiggin4bass]

Just think of all the money you"ll save on your truck and boat and tournament fishing on your favorite lakes not to mention tackle. **** happens huh

[JVGondal]

Not all governing entities agree with the restrictions
Fascism is forcing some to comply as some citizens applaud

[jiggin4bass]

What ever works best you'll will get over it

[JVGondal]

A puppy is restrained by a 50 foot chain. Each week a single link is removed. His roaming area slowly diminishes
By the time he is an adult dog the chain is 2 feet long. The dog is happy on the 2 foot leash. The owner removes the leash and the dog is afraid to leave the confines of the 2 foot radius and just lays down in fear until he’s comfortable. After a while he learns no one is going to make him move. A dish of food is placed 5 feet away. The dog starves to death rather than leave his 2 foot area
He got over it. We will get over it

[jiggin4bass]

[Popper]

Tunnels?
No worries.............

The mussels WILL jam/clog hundreds of tunnel miles and there's no way of keeping them out. Essentially, the tunnels are a breeding ground for these invasive species.

This is too big of a job for Roto -Rooter. It's a matter of time and the billions spent on tunnel infrastructure will be worthless.

-No conspiracy theory

[Dek]

A few days ago I was speaking with someone that is knowledgeable on the golden mussel issue. They told me something very obvious when you see what is happening to our freedom. There is 0.0% interest in preserving opportunity for recreation boaters. None Zip Nada. Keeping the mussels out of the water and hydro infrastructure is the only goal. It will be interesting to see where we are in a few years.

[Popper]

A few days ago I was speaking with someone that is knowledgeable on the golden mussel issue. They told me something very obvious when you see what is happening to our freedom. There is 0.0% interest in preserving opportunity for recreation boaters. None Zip Nada. Keeping the mussels out of the water and hydro infrastructure is the only goal. It will be interesting to see where we are in a few years.

-This has nothing to do with our freedom, and nobody making money as some have implied with this issue.

Yes, it makes sense to focus objectives on eradication, prevention methods and processes to mitigate further contamination (if possible). After all, protection of water delivery systems in hundreds of billions in cost, storage, and quality will take precedent over catching a fish on the weekend or tournaments.

The primary source of water is for delivery and storage as a vital resource for supply/irrigation, and not recreation.
As an avid recreational and tournament angler this situation is devastating as these restrictions imposed on fisherman and pleasure boaters impact our pass time.

I suggest developing "solutions" that restores some of those pleasures of traveling from different bodies of water to continue enjoying our hobbies/competition verses complaining about it.

This invasive mussel issue is here to stay and will get worse.

[stickbait]

Tunnels?
No worries.............

The mussels WILL jam/clog hundreds of tunnel miles and there's no way of keeping them out. Essentially, the tunnels are a breeding ground for these invasive species.

This is too big of a job for Roto -Rooter. It's a matter of time and the billions spent on tunnel infrastructure will be worthless.

-No conspiracy theory

I guess this is kind of what I was thinking !! Thanks

[jiggin4bass]

You guys need backup plans in case you can't go fishing on your favorite lakes.
Here a few things you can do with your free time
Fishing
Tournament Bowling
Casino's
Hookers & cocaine
Golf

[JVGondal]

Tell me again how this has nothing to do with freedom please
When they put up barriers at Ramps and forbid us to launch a boat any longer how is that not a lost freedom?
I’m no longer free to show up and navigate the water

[jiggin4bass]

Texas has lots of water. Go out of state there 100s of places to fish. Get th Uhaul pack and truck move to your nearest state that's simple enough.