Where is the Outcry?

Tobe · Post by **Tobe** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:37 am

MAKES YOU THINK

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IOWA (THE HEARTLAND OF AMERICA ) AND NEW ORLEANS?

NEW ORLEANS KNEW THAT A HURRICANE WAS COMING AND CHOSE TO DO LITTLE, THEN EXPECT THE GOVERNMENT AND THE TAXPAYERS TO REBUILD THE CITY AND THEIR HOMES BETTER THAN THEY WERE PRIOR TO THE HURRICANE

IOWA JUST WATCHED IT RAIN AND DEALT WITH IT

Where are the Hollywood celebrities holding telethons
asking for help in restoring Iowa and helping the folks
affected by the floods? Where is good old Michael Moore?

Why is the media NOT asking the tough questions about
why the federal government hasn't solved this problem?
...Asking where the FEMA trucks and trailers and food services are?

Why isn't the Federal government moving Iowa people
into free hotels in Chicago and Minneapolis ?

When will Spike Lee say that the Federal government
blew up the levees that failed in Des Moines ?

Where are all the looters stealing high-end tennis shoes,
cases of beer and television sets?

Where is the hysterical 24/7 media coverage complete
with reports of shootings at rescuers, of rapes and murder?

There must be one hell of a big difference between the value of the people of Iowa and value of the people of Louisiana!

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:15 am

How sad, in the face of such tragedy, that there are some who use this just to smear my city, New Orleans. Letâ€™s be fair here. Did the people in the midwest sit on their rooftops for days on end, in 90+ degree heat and punishing sunshine with no help, or neck deep in water in their attics, some for up to 5 days? Were the majority in the midwest who did not evacuate, in effect, stuck on an island with no way out? Were they given more than 48 hours notice? (Thatâ€™s what I hadâ€¦when I left for work on Friday, August 26, Katrina was a tropical storm projected to hit the Florida panhandle. That evening, when I got home, things were changing. Though off work the next day, I got up at 5am, prepared for the worst, hoping for the best. We were miles away in a hotel room that nightâ€¦and not ALLOWED to go back home for six weeks.)

Did the levees in NOLA fail in 1993 like they did in the midwest? No. Did they fail during all the times weâ€™d evacuated previously? No. (Hurricanes Ivan, Georges, and Lilly were all projected to head towards NOLA. We left for each one.) I have seen a report of murders after the recent flooding. I saw where a woman in Iowa was arrested for looting a liquor store. I also saw where fights broke out in Wisconsin amongst those standing in line for food vouchers and a man rammed a state trooperâ€™s car when not allowed back in to check on his property. Were there as many people left behind in such a small area in the midwest? No. Did cars and buses flood in the midwest too? Yes.

Now, I am NOT condoning the behavior of some of the people, stealing plasma TVâ€™s, nor am I condoning thugdom in general. But there were some MAJOR differences here and I think you know it. The lack of immediate response during and after Katrina has taught the governments and our people a lot. Iâ€™m glad the lesson was learned for the sake of the people who are suffering today.

BTW, Iâ€™m sick and tired of reading posts like this. All up in the kool-ade and you donâ€™t even know the flavor.

This is all something I try to forget, but it will remain with me always. Everyone here has a different story, each swept under the rug, but brought out whenever he/she makes a new acquaintance or runs into an old friend. The stories that I hear, live, breathe, are not like the stories I read, most of which come from outside this area. I saw friends, on CNN, standing outside the Convention Center. There were no riots there. I know others who stayed for days in the Superdome. No riots. Others who baked on the interstate, days on end. No riots. I know many who have lost all they own and some, family members, family pets. They donâ€™t talk like that. They help each other here too. People are people and most are good. For the most part, theyâ€™re getting on with their lives and going about their ordinary workaday businesses. Folks like these, they donâ€™t fit into that type of story. They donâ€™t make the news.

You know, if there is such a thing as a gentler, kinder disaster, I hope these recent floodings are just that.

26 Jun 2008 8:36 pm

JOHN THOMPSON
________________________________________

Katrina did $150-200 BILLION in damage; Iowa sustained about 1-2% of that damage. So, how can you make assertions that dismiss the enormous difference of severity?
________________________________________

I worked sand bagging on THIS FLOOD in Minnesota in 1965 for 96 hours without sleep. I went to the police station and asked them if I could use a cell for a nap. They allowed my. I slept 6 hours and worked 75 more hours without sleep. I know the midwest.

The photos that accompany the email you reposted are a collection of the worst of the worst of the 500 year flood which was spread out over the entire Mississippi Valley in the early 90s. The flood waters rose gradually and people had plenty of time to evacuate to the safety of nearby friends and relatives on higher ground. In the Midwest everyone knows everyone or is related to everyone.

These people had plenty of time to drive their $75,000 tractors to higher ground and wait for the levees to be repaired. Clinton effectively prevent these people from moving back into these dangerous areas below the flood plain which is what should be done with New Orleans in my opinion too.

However the farmers in the midwest have received more welfare in subsidies that 5 New Orleans. It's amusing when I go home to see someone who owns one air conditioned premium stereo sound, piece of equipment that worth 3 Rolls Royces bitching about how tough he's got it.

Greg

Tobe · Post by **Tobe** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:11 pm

Greg_Cornish wrote:

BTW, Iâ€™m sick and tired of reading posts like this. All up in the kool-ade and you donâ€™t even know the flavor.

Greg

Well skip over dummy and quit torturing yourself, got out and use your new Soldier rod (looks good btw)

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:22 pm

In 1 day... How can 2 million African-Americans get into
Washington DC in sub-zero temps with bridges closed under tight
security in the biggest traffic jam in American history....when
200,000 couldn't get out of New Orleans at 85 degrees with four days notice?

I recieved this in an e-mail the other day, and it made me think....

Tobe · Post by **Tobe** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:18 pm

The same way they find their way to Walmart on the first of the month, where there is a will there is a way.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:32 pm

Andy Lippert wrote:In 1 day... How can 2 million African-Americans get into
Washington DC in sub-zero temps with bridges closed under tight
security in the biggest traffic jam in American history....when
200,000 couldn't get out of New Orleans at 85 degrees with four days notice?

I recieved this in an e-mail the other day, and it made me think....

I don't know, why is it your and tobe's heroes hide under white sheets?

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:22 pm

Greg_Cornish wrote:
Andy Lippert wrote:In 1 day... How can 2 million African-Americans get into
Washington DC in sub-zero temps with bridges closed under tight
security in the biggest traffic jam in American history....when
200,000 couldn't get out of New Orleans at 85 degrees with four days notice?

I recieved this in an e-mail the other day, and it made me think....
I don't know, why is it your and tobe's heroes hide under white sheets?

Come on OGreg that is Bullshlt â€“ there was no racial comments made! When this post was first posted I just knew it would be you or ODave to bring up racialism, you sir are reverting to redemptive politics.

â€œIf there is an insight it is Americaâ€™s collision with its own racial shame in the civil rights ear is the untold story behind todayâ€™s polarized racial politics. A society is very dangerous to itself when it has to bear an undeniable shame. There will be a powerful impulse to redeem itself by betraying its best principles, to bend and suspend those principles in order to show that its remorse over its shame is deeper than any priggish commitment to great principles. In other words, self-betrayal can become the road to redemption for the shamed society. Self-betrayal can form the new redeeming idea of social virtue; it can become the basis of a new redemptive politics.â€

Tobe · Post by **Tobe** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:10 pm

What would happen if we had :

The United Caucasian College Fund.
The National Association for the Advancement of White People.
An Ivory Magazine!
A White Entertainment Television channel.
A movie called "Black Men Can't Work"

I'll tell you what would happen, we'd be called "racist"

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:37 pm

Greg, honestly you're the first person who has ever called me a racist. It is preposterous for you to say that I envy those ignorant f**cks who eat/sleep/breath racism. I, in no way shape or form, discriminate based on color/race/background, I wasn't raised that way, I don't LIVE that way, and I won't raise my kids that way. It's sad that someone like you who claims to be a "thinker" would interpret my post that way. All it is, is a statement of truth, and for some reason it is racist of me for saying it? Give me a break old man! You're smarter than that!

Andy Lippert

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:24 pm

I bet some of your best friends are black people, right?

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:39 pm

Who said this words?

â€œif construction jobs go mainly to white males who already dominate the construction trades, many people who need jobs the most -- women, minorities, and the poor and long-term unemployed -- will be shut out."

That is racism?

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:47 pm

Marty wrote:Who said this words?

â€œif construction jobs go mainly to white males who already dominate the construction trades, many people who need jobs the most -- women, minorities, and the poor and long-term unemployed -- will be shut out."

Is that racism?

Robert Reich! It is in my opinion. How'd I do?

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:47 pm

Marty wrote:Come on OGreg that is Bullshlt â€“ there was no racial comments made! When this post was first posted I just knew it would be you or ODave to bring up racialism, you sir are reverting to redemptive politics.

I'm glad you had a chance to show you're well read, even though what you chose to regurgitate was written by a serious believer in using a thesaurus , but had nothing at all whatsoever to do with the subject at hand.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:51 pm

Tobe wrote:
Greg_Cornish wrote:

BTW, Iâ€™m sick and tired of reading posts like this. All up in the kool-ade and you donâ€™t even know the flavor.

Greg
Well skip over dummy and quit torturing yourself, got out and use your new Soldier rod (looks good btw)

If you'd read the post you'd see that I quoted John Thompson from an internet source, a man who lived in New Orleans. Those were not my words.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:01 pm

Andy Lippert wrote:In 1 day... How can 2 million African-Americans get into
Washington DC in sub-zero temps with bridges closed under tight
security in the biggest traffic jam in American history....when
200,000 couldn't get out of New Orleans at 85 degrees with four days notice?

I recieved this in an e-mail the other day, and it made me think....

What is bologna Marty is this feeble attempt to draw attention to blacks during a disaster where many people died and try to make it look like the deaths were their own fault, because obviously at the inauguration, they proved they are capable of getting around.

Poor people died, white and black. People with no transportation. Uneducated people. Old and helpless people, people in nursing homes.

When black people tried to cross a bridge to safety, they were turned back at gunpoint by lawmen in one instance. Make fun of that guys. Tell me how that makes you laugh.

To put this out in any context is racist. Andy tried to put an innocent face on this, but I've been around the block a few times in my 60+ years and I know when I see a racist. I also know there's a lot of racist who don't even know they are racist and will cry foul all day long when exposed.

Tobe · Post by **Tobe** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:39 pm

So would you consider me racist Greg?

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:56 pm

Greg_Cornish wrote:
Marty wrote:Come on OGreg that is Bullshlt â€“ there was no racial comments made! When this post was first posted I just knew it would be you or ODave to bring up racialism, you sir are reverting to redemptive politics.
I'm glad you had a chance to show you're well read, even though what you chose to regurgitate was written by a serious believer in using a thesaurus , but had nothing at all whatsoever to do with the subject at hand.

It has everything to do with the subject.

What youâ€™re suffering from is the shame of being white OGreg â€“ of coming from a Nation that once had slaves. You suffer from racial victimization â€“ you see and embrace the liberal view of victimization as a totalistic explanation of black difficulties â€“ high crime rate, weak academic performance, illegitimacy rates and presume them to be the result of victimizing forces beyond the control of blacks. The reason has to be the white man!

And yes I have blacks as friends and I also have some black enemies but that is the same as I have in other groups. A man is a man no matter what the color is and the only thing I own him is the same I own another man the same that he own me â€“ nothing.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:17 am

Okay guys, blame blacks for everything.

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:20 am

You got me Greg! You got me pegged! You probably ran my name through snopes, and found out that I judge people based on the color of their skin, huh? You know a racist when you see one? Well I think that you're getting delusional, old man. 60+ sounds like about the age when dementia is possibly setting in, because in no way shape or form am I a racist. I recieved an e-mail whose contents I posted in this thread, because I thought that it made a valid point. Just like I think that Tobe makes a few valid points when he talks about the ridiculous double standard in our society today, regarding race. If there was a "White Entertainment Television" channel, it would be called racist...and it would be called "racist" by inept people such as yourself, who think that white society should feel guilty for being white. You're wrong on this one Mr. Greg. Get off that "I am god and everything I say is truth" pedestal because you're nothing but an old man who spends too much time behind his computer, and fishes from time to time. I just labeled you Greg, just as you have labeled me. If that's what this is coming to, then so be it.

Andy Lippert

Tobe · Post by **Tobe** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:42 am

Greg_Cornish wrote:Okay guys, blame blacks for everything.

I'm not blaming blacks at all Greg, they are just opportunistic.
I'm blaming white liberals like yourself!

jcruz · Post by **jcruz** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:04 am

Truth be told -- my father spent the last 6 months on the ground in Iowa putting displaced flood victims in temporary housing on behalf of FEMA. And he left for Kentucky on Tuesday to help the folks there.

Tobe · Post by **Tobe** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:18 am

Your father is a good American and a good man!

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:30 am

Tobe wrote:
I'm not blaming blacks at all Greg, they are just opportunistic.!

Thank you, my point is now proven.

Tobe · Post by **Tobe** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:18 am

lol what point Greg.

jcruz · Post by **jcruz** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:17 pm

Agreed. Thank You.

Vince E · Post by **Vince E** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:12 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Wy_xRH ... re=related

He's a bit harsh with the profanity but so are most of the white comedians I've seen. The more I watch this man the more respect I have for him, something I was NOT expecting by the way.

He makes an excellent point in this bit.

Considering their history it's not hard to understand why black people in this country have developed a culture of their own. That's the main difference between all people--culture. That's a behavioral difference not necessarily related to skin color.
It's just more convenient when someone's skin is a different color (or they have other easily pigeonholed physical attributes) for reason's of pre-judging what the cultural differences between you and them might be. Might be. It's funny how a man of one color will more easily accept a man of another color if they have more in common culturally than not.

Do you suppose that President Obama would have been elected if he had gold teeth, a neck load of bling and and a gangster lean going on? Not quite what anyone, even the most guilt-ridden, black supporting liberal cracker (I'm being fecicious here people) would consider to be "presidential". That's another problem with our way of thinking, the unrealistic icon of perfection a human must present themselves as to be considered "presidential", but I'll save it for another time. I have no idea how many black people would have voted for such a candidate, but it's clear that more black people participated in this election and made their way to this inauguration than ever in American history.

The passages Marty quoted are quite correct in my opinion and have done more to harm both black culture and America in general than they have helped. But who knows how it might have worked out without them? Kind of like unions as far as I'm concerned. Probably needed at first, to stop an abusive trend that wouldn't have corrected itself but now bloated with parasitic bureaucracy that needs to go away.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:36 pm

That is so true Vince when you said â€œIt's funny how a man of one color will more easily accept a man of another color if they have more in common culturally than not.â€

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:45 pm

Greg some of my friends are black people.

you dont have any black friends?

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:48 pm

My question to you Marty is why you would ask the "black man" why he wanted Obama to succeed. With that question alone tells me you want Obama to fail and that I am afraid is truly un-american. I have never heard any one from this board say I hope Bush fails and I sure have never said it. As far as I am concerned I wish Bush was one of the best presidents ever, I could care less that he was a republican if things were going good.

My god, what has the republican party come to when they hope the president of the united states fails.........let me answer it for you. It has become a failed group with failing ideas and apparently un american members because you are not the first republican I have heard say they hope that our current president fails. Unbelievable and very sad

Vince E · Post by **Vince E** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:49 pm

I'd like to see him succeed too. Partly for the reasons your friend outlined, but mostly because being truly successful would mean (at least by my definition) that the nation's problems were truly being addressed.

That would mean a bridging of the partisan BS, a man who really wanted to bring together the best ideas that both sides had to offer and to do his best to make sure all Americans felt like they were being represented.

But this is a pipe dream that will never happen. We feed on hate and conflict.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:08 pm

first you need to define success and failure.

I truly belive that if he is successful, it will mean the beginning of the end of America.
It does not have anything to do with black, or being a dem. It had to do with his basic beliefs

Vince E · Post by **Vince E** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:19 pm

My last post pretty much was a definition of what I would consider to be a successful presidency, by anyone holding the job.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:20 pm

Fish you dont have a clue and you lie these are your words [My god, what has the republican party come to when they hope the president of the united states fails.........let me answer it for you. It has become a failed group with failing ideas and apparently un american members because you are not the first republican I have heard say they hope that our current president fails. Unbelievable and very sad ]

You me or anybody else can search right here on WB and get basicly the same thing being said by your Dems against Bush
You need to go back and reread everything said about Bush by your guys then jump on Rs.

I hope Obama is a good Pres. that does what is right for America,Not what he wants , but what the American people want and should have from their Gov.

But based on what has transpired so far in his transparent gov. I truly douth we will get it.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:25 pm

Vince my post was not derected at you , if obama does the right thing and works on fixing whats wrong without changing our basic Gov. I wish him well also. If not I truly hope he spends forever locked in a room with Billerey.

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:46 pm

Rod Martin wrote:Fish you dont have a clue and you lie these are your words [My god, what has the republican party come to when they hope the president of the united states fails.........let me answer it for you. It has become a failed group with failing ideas and apparently un american members because you are not the first republican I have heard say they hope that our current president fails. Unbelievable and very sad ]

You me or anybody else can search right here on WB and get basicly the same thing being said by your Dems against Bush
You need to go back and reread everything said about Bush by your guys then jump on Rs.

I hope Obama is a good Pres. that does what is right for America,Not what he wants , but what the American people want and should have from their Gov.

But based on what has transpired so far in his transparent gov. I truly douth we will get it.

I lie huh, well I don't remember anyone on this site or any site I visit saying that they hope Bush fails, and I know for a fact I have never said that because it would not be right. If our president fails then we as a country will fail and to wish the president to fail is just wrong. You are more than welcome to research this matter and get back with me though.

So Rod let's come out and say it, do you want the president to fail?

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:36 pm

Rod Martin wrote:Greg some of my friends are black people.

you dont have any black friends?

Two, but one lives in Minnesota The other is an acquaintance in Sonoma. I have a friend who is Methodist too. Now that's scary.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:19 pm

FishaHallic wrote:My question to you Marty is why you would ask the "black man" why he wanted Obama to succeed. With that question alone tells me you want Obama to fail and that I am afraid is truly un-american. I have never heard any one from this board say I hope Bush fails and I sure have never said it. As far as I am concerned I wish Bush was one of the best presidents ever, I could care less that he was a republican if things were going good.

My god, what has the republican party come to when they hope the president of the united states fails.........let me answer it for you. It has become a failed group with failing ideas and apparently un american members because you are not the first republican I have heard say they hope that our current president fails. Unbelievable and very sad

Sorry ODave I was working trying to make the $13 you are going to get for the stimulus is the reason I did not get back to you early.

ODave â€“ I have already stated that I want BHO to fail, there is no secret about that â€“ donâ€™t act surprise! I donâ€™t want our Banks to be Nationalize â€“ do you? I donâ€™t want Acorn to be subsidized â€“ do you? I donâ€™t want HUGE government â€“ do you? Do you call 50 million for the Endowment of the Arts a stimulus? Why does BHO want Control of the Census, is it to make the USA the same as California? I could go on but you get the idea.

I was going to list socialized medicine but I believe you like that but tell me what is the purpose of recording everyone medical conditions?

But there is something I want BHO to succeed at and that is he is putting 17,000 more troops into Afghanistan â€“ not bad for someone who ran to end the war (the ant-war left are piss at him)! While we are talking about war â€“ I know for a fact BHO is staying with Bush pan on the withdraw for Iraq â€“ 18 months. But you will not see that in the News.

Now BHO did say today that he does not want to bring back the â€œFairness Doctrineâ€

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:40 pm

When Obama said he wanted to end the war, it was the Iraq war he never said he would end the war in Afghanistan.

You might want to change your avatar, I notice you wear red, white and blue, you might change that to a red flag with a star in the middle or some sort of sicle. I don't believe any TRUE american would wish for the president, being republican or democrat to fail. I notice you said you went to "a military academy", was that the Fidel Castro academy of social unrest?

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:54 pm

Fish if you read my other posts in this thread you would see that I do not want him to fail unless he goes against what is best for our country.

But I have said many times that I want him and your dems to get full credit for his and their actions.

And if what he is doing makes our country more in his image, then yes,Iwant him to FAIL.

now paint me with your red brush.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:04 pm

you know fish, your tone has changed in the last month.

Whats the matter, are you smelling the winds of change?

I do belive Obamas polls are dropping and he has'nt been Pres. very long at all.

Seems He has a lot of people poping up with problems, much as you guys were yelling about the right and their problems seems you would be all over these guys Obama has brought in , or tryed to bring in .

And the good state of IL. is really showing the great people that come out of there.

keep this up and you will really be hurting in about 6 mo.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:14 pm

FishaHallic wrote:When Obama said he wanted to end the war, it was the Iraq war he never said he would end the war in Afghanistan.
You might want to change your avatar, I notice you wear red, white and blue, you might change that to a red flag with a star in the middle or some sort of sicle. I don't believe any TRUE american would wish for the president, being republican or democrat to fail. I notice you said you went to "a military academy", was that the Fidel Castro academy of social unrest?

Sorry ODave I have never been to Cuba but I have been to a few other places that I donâ€™t want to go back too. It gives me a warm fuzz feeling inside that you are ready to jump on the keyboard and defend our liberty. Thanks for noticing my shirt.

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:02 pm

Rod Martin wrote:you know fish, your tone has changed in the last month.

Whats the matter, are you smelling the winds of change?

I do belive Obamas polls are dropping and he has'nt been Pres. very long at all.

Seems He has a lot of people poping up with problems, much as you guys were yelling about the right and their problems seems you would be all over these guys Obama has brought in , or tryed to bring in .

And the good state of IL. is really showing the great people that come out of there.

keep this up and you will really be hurting in about 6 mo.

Winds of change already blew thru, your just a little slow to realize it. You might want to check the results of the latest election.

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:29 am

I have a few black guys that I have called friends and fished with. I only become a racist if we have six beers in the cooler and that black man drinks more than three then its on. Someday soon we are all going to wake up and realize we have been carefully engineered into a corner by two parties who spend every waking moment creating an atmosphere where we are separated by those two parties. It prevents the possibility of us getting together in a huge movement to throw the rascals out and put in place an honest representative government. I think that all of our politicians in both parties are very similar and they use ideology as a wedge between us. Every disaster is an opportunity to utilize the tool of fear and to take away more liberty. IMO this economy and all of the thievery by politicians and business working together will create a perfect storm and drive us to unite and take back our government. There is no racism in a foxhole.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:29 am

There you go again changing to subject. Yes the election went your way o mighty master. Now your guy has to put up or lose in the next one.
But the way things have gone so far he may end up being a one trick poney.
You guys are working it though. He came out of the gate strong on sowing hate and discontint, I guess its every Dems sworn duty to attack everyone that does not aggree with Obama. Making fun of Rs for not backing backing a flawed spending package was just the start .

good luck with that

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:46 am

Fish that red flag with a star, would be better suited for people that want the Gov. to own and take care of everything.
Isnt that more of a Dem thing.

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:26 pm

Rod Martin wrote:Fish that red flag with a star, would be better suited for people that want the Gov. to own and take care of everything.
Isnt that more of a Dem thing.

Wrong, it fits the republican role perfectly. You guys can't stand it that you lost so in a communist country you could just force everyone to vote your way. Also the communist like to control the people similar to republicans.

Wait a minute, Wait just a minute..............I have an idea. Rod, you just got back from a scouting trip in Mexico, why don't you and Marty and maybe some of the other right wingers pack it up and move down there. That country is ripe for take over, they are all god fearing catholics and the good news is they already have a people getting beheaded. You guys could force your agenda down there throat, turn the country around where all the illegals from the United States could actually return to the now prosperous new country that you formed.

Let's just pray that nothing goes wrong in your plan though, because as you guys have shown here in this country, when things go wrong (like lose an election) you want to cut and run, take your ball and go home.

Yep, I think that would be the best thing for you right wingers, pack it up and take over Mexico especially if you want OUR president to fail (without conditions).

VIVA LA ROD........VIVA LA ROD

getalife · Post by **getalife** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:33 pm

Your such an idiot Fish.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:59 pm

Baiting Fish is getting a lot easier. He reads what a person writes thens changes it to suit his needs
To bad we cannot see him, I think he's got that fear in his eyes. Like he really thought this was going to work out differnt.

In time of great need people should ralley round the current Pres. Like 9/11. But hurry, hurry, hurry, then wait while I spend millions flying to denver to showcase and strut out this bill. To spend,spend,spend, our money willie nelly, on a bunch of pork..I DONT THINK SO. probley we're going to come out of this no matterwhat he does, but it will take longer the way hes doing it. and I really didnt see anybody voting for a lot of this crap that has been included in this bill. Most of it would fail if brought forth as a stand alone bill. and thats being said by Dems.

Fish looks like you're getting desperte. You need to knock it up another noch.

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:07 pm

No need to knock it up another notch, unlike you right wingers I will give this president a chance. I gave Bush 4 yrs before I started complaining.

I voted dem in 2000 and 2004 and I lost both times but what I did not do was cry and kick my feet like you guys are doing. I did not give up on this country nor did I wish for Bush to fail, but I guess that is where we are different. I am a true american, you guys are only american when it suites your needs.

VIVA LA ROD...............VIVA LA MARTY.................VIVA LA GETALIFE

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:19 pm

Yes you are a true american.

Too bad it seems you dont know what that means.

But you will ,its just a matter of time. You as a student of history should know Gov. does not grow smaller, and each time Gov. gets more money they dont pay something off, or pay for all of anything .

So guess what you have to look forward too.

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