Wake Board drama at Orwood Saturday

Andy Giannini · Post by **Andy Giannini** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:18 pm

According to the stats, Dom the Hawg Hunter by driving a truck has the number one most dangerous job.

A.G.

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:21 pm

Read what I said and use the widget located between your ears to better understand it. I would be against a bass tournament being held out of that location too. I know of ZERO that are, but I may be wrong, in any case "I would be against one if it WERE.
I have nothing against wakeboarders, skiers, or pleasure craft in general, I know this is a shared resource, for ALL to enjoy. However, holding any event in that area is dangerous, permits in hand or not. By doing so it would increase traffic in other nearby areas resulting in dangerous conditions for anyone out there, that in my book is just plain stupid as well as increasing YOUR personal liability should an accident occur. Furthermore if you knew the wording of the ordinance could be a problem, why in the world would you go forward with it?

bruizer343 · Post by **bruizer343** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:21 pm

Dan McKenzie wrote:Read what I said and use the widget located between your ears to better understand it. I would be against a bass tournament being held out of that location too. I know of ZERO that are, but I may be wrong, in any case "I would be against one if it WERE.
I have nothing against wakeboarders, skiers, or pleasure craft in general, I know this is a shared resource, for ALL to enjoy. However, holding any event in that area is dangerous, permits in hand or not. By doing so it would increase traffic in other nearby areas resulting in dangerous conditions for anyone out there, that in my book is just plain stupid as well as increasing YOUR personal liability should an accident occur. Furthermore if you knew the wording of the ordinance could be a problem, why in the world would you go forward with it?

Because it isnt a rocket.

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:56 pm

I leave for a few hours and the place goes to hell. Oh my.

Listen up folks and listen real good. Stop the personal attacks. It's really not what folks want to read.

sTony

bassindon69 · Post by **bassindon69** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:51 pm

High 5 sTony!

CN · Post by CN » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:01 pm

Bruzier my point was one of the only responses that was expressed in an acceptable manner to me was the one by the person involved in the wakeboard compatition.

Why so much negativity.

PS:I am 53 year's old and been Bass fishing since 10 in stock pond's on cattle ranch's and own one of those 40k plus Bass Boat's.
Pleasure guy's have as much right to the water as we do.Pain yes but......deal with it.

Mike Nance

Dewayne · Post by **Dewayne** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:09 pm

A few years ago after Big Break stopped being a good tournament location and before Russo's there was a brief period of time where there were some tournaments run out of Orwood. Growing up in Brentwood I have used that marina for years. There were many of us who loudly protested having tournaments there because of the congestion, danger, and obstacles. Only a few were held in the off season and luckily no one was hurt. Other than a few club tournaments and small turkey shoots I dont think there are any tournament held there at this time.

That being said, from what I have read the wakeboard competition was to be held in an area that would be safe enough if the area was closed during runs as was planned. It would provide a good viewing area and other than traffic from Disco to Orwood it would not disrupt through traffic. 1 boat towing a board through the area is a lot different than 50 bass boats racing through the congested area twice a day with no closures. The only negative I can see is that the levee in that area was in need of repairs from what I remember.

What we have here is a few people who cannot see through their dislike of wakeboarders to understand that everything about this event is not negative.

DRA GARYH · Post by **DRA GARYH** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:18 pm

Dan McKenzie wrote:Read what I said and use the widget located between your ears to better understand it. I would be against a bass tournament being held out of that location too. I know of ZERO that are, but I may be wrong, in any case "I would be against one if it WERE.
I have nothing against wakeboarders, skiers, or pleasure craft in general, I know this is a shared resource, for ALL to enjoy. However, holding any event in that area is dangerous, permits in hand or not. By doing so it would increase traffic in other nearby areas resulting in dangerous conditions for anyone out there, that in my book is just plain stupid as well as increasing YOUR personal liability should an accident occur. Furthermore if you knew the wording of the ordinance could be a problem, why in the world would you go forward with it?

Dan;

http://deltabassclub.com/index.html

first thing that came up doing a quick Google search, guess my widget works a little. I in turn have nothing against fishermen. I do have a problem with wakeboarders that do not have proper etiquette on the water and the same with fishermen that do not have the same respect on the water. I am sure you know the slue well but IMO there is not a big hazard where the event will take place. Nor will we make the rest of the surrounding waterways a dangerous hazzard. The real problem area is right outside of Discovery Bay with all the traffic and offshore boats at high speeds. Along with the large yachts that power through making the surf size wakes that as someone else said destroys the levy. Further more if you use your "Widget" as you say and read what I wrote about the ban and what I was told from the beginning we did not have a problem.

I ask this, what gain was made in enacting a ordinance for a 4-5 week stretch in an area that had so much controversy in the first place instead of using the time from the 26th of July to inform and educate the area on what would be law at the start of the said dates in the ordinance?

I did not join this form to stir the pot but to set the record straight and hopefully educate some how might not understand what we are trying to do and provide. I can guarantee that you either have kids that wakeboard or know some that do. It is the fastest growing sport and the Delta area is known for its waterways as some of the best in the world. We are here to stay and so are you so quit yelling you will scare the fish.

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:36 am

HEY sTony can you bail me out of the County Jail I'm still here. The wife told me to thats what you get for reading those forums

Lets all play nice nice and BAIL MY TAIL OUT OF JAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT'S ALL YOUR GUYS FAULT I'M HERE TO BEGIM WITH

When I get out I'm going to hunt each and every one of you CLOWNS DOWN

Kentuck · Post by **Kentuck** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:44 am

Patrol unit shuts down water event
DISCOVERY BAY: Sheriff's Office forces planners to cancel competition because of new ordinance
By Cassandra Braun
STAFF WRITER

Article Launched: 08/22/2007 03:06:26 AM PDT

Just days after "No Tow" signs were posted around Discovery Bay and with only a few weeks left in the summer boating season, the Contra Costa Sheriff's Office shut down a long-planned water sports competition despite a plea by Supervisor Mary Piepho.
Citing the ordinance that took effect in July banning water-towing sports in the area, the sheriff's marine patrol unit closed down the Delta Riders Association King of the Delta wakeboarding competition Saturday.

Organizers said rental equipment and food were set up and more than 100 spectators and competitors had begun flocking to Warner Cut slough near Orwood resort when more than a dozen sheriff's deputies arrived to inform them that the competition could not be held because it was in violation of the new law. Promoters said they lost thousands of dollars in rental fees as a result of the cancellation.

"There's the letter of the law and then the spirit of the law," said Delta Riders founder Gary Haavisto. "I think they could have taken another approach. Under the circumstances with it being an organized, safe environment, different steps could have happened."

After much debate, the Board of Supervisors unanimously approved the ban to limit water-skiing and other recreational boat towing on weekends and holidays from Memorial Day to Labor Day along portions of the Indian Slough and Werner Dredger Cut.

The Aug. 18 competition had been scheduled since February as part of a series of similar water sports events
held since 2006 in Warner Cut and other waterways near Stockton.
Haavisto said he was following the progress of the ordinance when he learned it had gone into effect. He added that a county code enforcement worker told him that his event could still be held if he obtained a permit from the U.S. Coast Guard and letter of support from Piepho, whose supervisorial district includes Discovery Bay.

But three days before the event, Haavisto said, a member of the sheriff's marine patrol unit told him otherwise. Piepho, meanwhile, wrote a letter to Sheriff Warren Rupf asking for an exception to the ordinance for the event.

Piepho said she requested the one-time exception because the Delta Riders had little time to cancel the event, which she was confident was organized and restricted to a marked, confined area of the slough that would not interfere with other boats in the area.

"The no-tow zone is based on circumstances where there's dual traffic," she said. "This event was in a very small portion of the slough, it was marked off and they had on-site emergency personnel. Taking all of those factors into consideration, with all of those things in place, I said sure, I will work with you."

Rupf sent a response letter Friday afternoon denying her request.

"While maybe you would like to make an exception, there's no provision in the ordinance," Rupf wrote. "We don't have the authority not to enforce the ordinance. If we would have officially said 'OK, we condone the violation of the ordinance,' which is different from going out and warning people, and should there be an injury or death, there's no leg to stand on."

Sheriff's marine patrol commander Lt. Mark Williams agreed.

"It's too subjective. How can we do it for one particular wakeboard group and not another?" he said. "As a law-enforcement entity, the Sheriff's Office is bound to enforce the conditions of ordinance."

Haavisto said he hopes to work with Piepho and her staff to draft an amendment to the ordinance to accommodate some organized water events.

Cassandra Braun covers East Contra Costa police and fire services. Reach her at 925-779-7174 or cbraun@bayareanewsgroup.com

bruizer343 · Post by **bruizer343** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:12 pm

where is the contest this weekend ? ROFLOL

wakechic · Post by **wakechic** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:51 pm

"You wakeboarders don't own the water either, you just make it
unpleasant, unsafe and noisy"

sounds like someone is jealous cause they can't get up on a wakeboard.

Dude get over it. I'm pretty sure that wakeboarders everywhere are laughing at you right now. Cause I know I am

CORAL 96 · Post by **CORAL 96** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:13 pm

And just when we thought "Tha Juice" was gone, I see it's back in full force!!

And that's not "OJ" I'm referring to!!!!

Sean Graf · Post by **Sean Graf** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:25 pm

112 posts and the person that started this has only showed up 3 times.

Bassk9, you should be put on the payroll!

bruizer343 · Post by **bruizer343** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:24 pm

wakechic wrote:"You wakeboarders don't own the water either, you just make it
unpleasant, unsafe and noisy"

sounds like someone is jealous cause they can't get up on a wakeboard.
Dude get over it. I'm pretty sure that wakeboarders everywhere are laughing at you right now. Cause I know I am

great first post....your parents must be proud.

wakechic · Post by **wakechic** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:12 pm

im just saying most wakeboarders are friendly people although i know that some have an ego. But bass fisherman are the same. Chances are if you're curtious to us we'll be curtious back.
Don't hate the wake

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:45 pm

"Dont hate the wake" yaaaa ummm we really like it when the "wake" comes rollin in and it rockes to boat so much it knocks a $700 rod overboard. And NO, Fisherman are NOT the same as you. Boat driving skills, we at least hear things because we dont have a loud stereo blasting, were not drunk on the water nor are we high. The maturity between the two groups alone makes your statement insainly stupid wakechick.

wakechic · Post by **wakechic** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:47 am

You guys are totally sterotyping wakeboarders. Don't judge us until you've seen the situation from our point of view and we won't judge you.

Oh and as to the boat driving skills. You're kidding me right. You guys fly down the lake at insanely unessessary speeds and mess up the smooth water all the time.

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:36 am

Okay, you MUST be kidding me, right? We mess up the smooth water? Just the name of the type of boats you run indicates what you're doing to the water, even if the boater is responsible and respectful. Those boats kick out HUGE wakes and this is coming at a time when our levees on the Delta are in great peril. The State can't keep up with the work they have to do to secure our levees.

Do you know how big a wake I produce when traveling those 'insanely unnecessary speeds'? Most of our bass boats are out of the water and therefore creating much less wake then a boat that was intentionally built to plow through water and create the largest wakes possible and therefore doing considerably more damage to private and public docks and facilities as well as to the levees themselves.

I am all for you guys being able to run your event. Heck I'd love to come down and film it and I'd like nothing more then to be able to get into those wake boats and do some serious filming of the folks doing this sport. I really don't know why you got shutdown from doing your event by Orwood as to me it's a great place to do it. I would be concerned though if doing the event there lead to folks waking that area and skiing in that area on a regular basis as there are hazards on that part of the river that may not have been acknowledged yet. And it's the inexperienced wakeboaters and skiers that would pay the price, potentially with life and limb, if that became a regular occurrence. The area has already come under much scrutiny as of late and I'm sure no one wants to fan those flames.

I'm all for everyone going out and enjoying the water with multiple recreation uses. Have at it I say. But I would urge you folks to go to your community and let them know that some of us are out there to enjoy our chosen sport reasonably and that includes just enjoying nature, the surroundings and some peace and quiet away from the hustle and bustle of our normal day to day lives. That includes music being piped out at levels that everyone within a half mile can hear very clearly.

As much as you'd like to think that we race all over the water at 'insanely unnecessary speeds' that is as much a generalization of us bass folks as you've accused us of doing to you wake folks. I'm respectful of you and would like to see you do your thing and I'd like that to work both ways. When you come upon a boat fishing a stretch of shoreline it would be courteous to us if you slowed down the boat to a put out a small wake while you pass us and you'd see the fisherman acknowledge that very quickly. It's a courtesy that would be returned to you in many ways. And if the skiing and waking crowd got control of the volume buttons on the water that'd score you big dividends as well.

Think of the music aspect of this thing in this manner, what would happen if every boater out there had a stereo system on it and cranked it up to the point where everyone could hear you coming from a mile away. Layers of music at high volume would turn our days on the water into absolute nightmares. And unless we get that element of this conversation under some control we all are going to pay the consequence of frequent trips to the doctor to check our hearing and soon we'll all be wearing a hearing aid.

Anything that we here at westernbass.con can do to help facilitate your event we'd be more then happy to do.

sTony

PS - As to the speed of our boats, not all bass boaters are flying around the Delta. Contrarily, all cigarette boat owners move around the Delta at INSANE speeds and their boats are large enough that even at high speed they kick out tremendous wakes. The Allison drivers of the world are also moving at speeds far in excess of what a bass boat could ever possibly do. I nearly got run down by five cigarette boats recently and they were passing at nearly a hundred miles an hour on all sides of my boat that at the time was stopped. I couldn't get up for a while as the wakes were pitching my boat to and fro all over the river. So I don't have a lot of problems with the wake boaters but I see everyone thinking a little too much of just themselves while they're on the water and that includes us bass boaters as well as jet skiers, water skiers, wake boaters, cigarette boaters and day cruisers, who also kick out a tremendous wake. Last time I was on the water a day cruiser nearly killed me and my son when they made their way down the river, opening and pouring out champagne on the boat, while not paying any attention to their wake or who was in their path. It was flat out scary and I haven't launched myboat on the river since.

bassindon69 · Post by **bassindon69** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:04 am

Just wanted to see what this looked like. LOL!

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:06 am

Don, Don, Don,

You crack me up brother!

sTony

wakechic · Post by **wakechic** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:42 pm

I don't ride on the Delta but on my lake if the fisherman was there first we leave the cove and find another spot to ride.

The Delta is a huge wakeboarding mecca in the US. There are a lot of people who don't know the rules of the lake or how to handle a wakeboat properly and i apologize for their stupidity. But there's no need to punish the curtious wakeboarders who greatly outnumber the rude ones.

there's a wakeboard version of this site with a thread talking about this thread. you should check it out: http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/mess ... 1188008659

I just think you guys have the wrong impression of wakeboarders. Can't we all get along?

Andy Giannini · Post by **Andy Giannini** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:01 pm

Honestly, I don't think people are somehow mistakenly getting a wrong impression of the wakeboarding enthusiasts.

I think the wakeboarding crowd is leaving an indelible one.

Kinda like a tattoo.

Strictly my 02.
and I have friends that own and enjoy rollbar boats.

A.G.

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:58 am

wakechic wrote:im just saying most wakeboarders are friendly people

I think you should post a pic of yourself wakeboarding

bruizer343 · Post by **bruizer343** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:20 am

yes a pic would be nice.

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:41 am

Lance wrote:"Dont hate the wake" yaaaa ummm we really like it when the "wake" comes rollin in and it rockes to boat so much it knocks a $700 rod overboard. And NO, Fisherman are NOT the same as you. Boat driving skills, we at least hear things because we dont have a loud stereo blasting, were not drunk on the water nor are we high. The maturity between the two groups alone makes your statement insainly stupid wakechick.

Who's fault is it if you don't have your rods secured? lol

I just got back from a fishing and wakeboarding trip. Everyone was really cool. I partied with fisherman and wakeboarders alike and had a good time as did everyone else.

You guys really need to stop judging people by the sports they do. It's just ridiculous. We have a bunch of grown men in here acting like babies.

DeltaDan · Post by **DeltaDan** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:53 am

Joe- Next time you are up here- We will play Baseball !!

BassManDan · Post by **BassManDan** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:55 am

Wakeboard boats are fine, they just need to ban the playing the gangsta rap/techno/alternative music played on those boats.

"Yeah I'm an upper-middle class suburban white kid with this nice truck and boat my parents bought me, and this music helps me wakebaord better"

What a buch of BS!

Really though, wakebaorders should have their rights, but they should not be able to acquire an exemption to the law. I see it as the "Cranial-Rectal thing" that the tournament organizers would try to get an area that could (did) result in such a conflict of interests to stage their event.

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:23 am

If you wakers can spend thousands on Wake "stuff" why dont you invest some in these:

http://www.waterproofcases.net/headphones.html

It would give us one less thing to complain about, but then again maybe your goal is to piss everyone off then deny it when confronted about it.

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:35 am

I wakeboarded this weekend and did not blast any music at all when we boarded. Not everyone is doing that. In fact I didn't hear anyones music when I was on the lake.

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:36 am

If you fisherman can spend tens of thoussands on fishng stuff, why not spend a couple dollars on some ear plugs if you don't want to hear it.

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:55 am

Joe W. wrote:If you fisherman can spend tens of thoussands on fishng stuff, why not spend a couple dollars on some ear plugs if you don't want to hear it.

There ya go Joe, you just lost most all of your credibility with that statement right there.

sTony

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:19 am

sTony wrote:
Joe W. wrote:If you fisherman can spend tens of thoussands on fishng stuff, why not spend a couple dollars on some ear plugs if you don't want to hear it.

There ya go Joe, you just lost most all of your credibility with that statement right there.

sTony

I thought it was about equally as ridiculous as the post I reponded to. I wasn't being serious.

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:32 am

Joe,

It wasn't a joke so I didn't think it was ridiculous, Surfers wear them. If you like loud music buy earphones, its called being "Selfless". When Wakers blast music without care, thats being "Selfish"

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:41 am

Lance wrote:Joe,

I wasent a joke so I didnt think it was ridiculous, Surfers wear them. If you like loud music buy earphones, its called being "Selfless". When Wakers blast music without care, thats being "Selfish"

Surfers don't have 10 people on a boat that also want to hear the music. It's not just the guy wakeboarding. I don't like loud crappy music either but I don't let it bother me.

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:03 am

The last time I checked majority rules. So what should be the outcome when the majority doesent want to hear loud music vs. 10 people that do. "Crappy music" is subjective, I might like your music and chances are I do.....when I'm at home or driving, but the whole point to being on the lake is not to hear noise, a "audio break" if you will. Many Bass guys have kids, wifes and Bosses. So going to the lake offers a much needed break from the "noise".

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:18 am

Lance wrote:The last time I checked majority rules. So what should be the outcome when the majority doesent want to hear loud music vs. 10 people that do.

By the way what ever happened to "Kids are to be seen, not heard"

That's fine, I don't want to hear it either but I am not going to rant on and on about what I have no control over. If they are breaking the law, report it. If it's not against the law, complain to someone who can change the law.

What happened to "Kids are to be seen and not heard" ? Never heard that before. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me though.

bassindon69 · Post by **bassindon69** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:34 am

DANG.....Still on this

The shirt I have on today is what needs to be done. It say's....

SHUT UP & FISH!

Don.

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:36 am

Bottom line is there is always someone who is annoyed or bothered by other people's actions. What we all should do it just freaking deal with the reality of it and move on. I'm going to just go ahead and take Don's advice and shut up and fish!

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:38 am

"Kids are to be seen and not heard" maybe a gentleman from a better behaved generation can explain to to ya, it seems to be pretty cut and dry to me

ash · Post by **ash** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:52 am

Whoever said that obviously never SAW YOU..... ya OAF!!!

I personally like the Bikini's and da dancin but I do agree boarders should stop being so selfish and cover the swamp donkeys....damn

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:57 am

Lance wrote:"Kids are to be seen and not heard" maybe a gentleman from a better behaved generation can explain to to ya, it seems to be pretty cut and dry to me

I'm respectful of everyone on the water and don't even play music. I'm not the guy you should be mad at. I wakeboard a few times a year and fish 100 days a year. I know what pisses both sides off and dont do any of it.

bassindon69 · Post by **bassindon69** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:14 pm

If you want to help go down to the jail house and put some money on Terry Smith's books. He is in jail because of this thread LOL!!

Don.

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:55 pm

Jonathan,

Its Joe's fault, he never mentioned Bikini's

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:07 pm

UPDATE.

Was out on the Delta Sunday. 99% of the wake boarders that we came across were still idiots. loud music and big wakes.

Also, still waiting for the picture of Wakechic.

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:32 pm

I won't argue anymore but just know that not all wakeboarders are out to ruin your day.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:44 pm

Your ruinning my day with your bs Joe!! JK!
To each his own! No matter what there are gonna be people you don't like in all walks of life!

Dewayne · Post by **Dewayne** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:11 pm

On the other hand I spent part of Sunday tied up to the dock at The Rustry Porthole watching the Airshow. Thanks to this thread I paid particular attention to what was happening. There were a total of 3 boats that waked the dock. Two were obviously exceeding the 5MPH speed limit. Both were bass boats, one of those a regular on this site

. The one other was a small cabin cruiser that was under 5 MPH, but the hull design caused it to throw a wake. The worst wake was from one of the bass boats. One could stereotype all bass boaters based on my observations above, it would be as fair as the implication that many of you have made that all wakeboarders are bad because of the actions of some.

Now, I have seen Jet Skis run the 5 zone on plane, bassboats cruise through at 10MPH, and Ski boats do the same. All this has nothing to do with a Wakeboard Club wanting to hold a safe event on a closed course which is what started this whole thread. Over the course of this thread I have seen wakeboarders come on this site acting in a very professional manner to open dialog. They have been met with unprofessional insults and have still conducted themselves without stooping to the level of some of us bass fishermen.

I look at it this way. The Delta is particular is a huge place. If I want to get away from the crowds, wakeboarders, jet skiiers, or cruisers I can always find an out of the way place where I can catch some pretty decent fish without the distraction. You don't like waves, fish Disco, Taylor, Piper, Little Franks, Seven Mile, Sandmound, or one of dozens of marinas. If you don't like Jet Skis or Wakeboarders many of the above will still work as will the small creeks that can be found throughout the Delta. You can fish Franks, Sherman, Big Break, Little Mandeville, The Duck pond, and seldom have any pleasure boaters near you. On the other hand if you want to go out and fish Victoria, Woodward, Twin Slough, Empire Cut, Old River, or Middle River you are going to have a lot of company in the form of pleasure boaters. If I choose to fish one of these in the summer I get it done in the morning and then move to less crowded water. It's all a matter of choice. If you choose to fish in the prime summer pleasure water then you had better toughen up and learn to co-habitate. If you can't then fish the huge number of areas where you will not frequently be bothered.

The choice of where you fish is within your control. You will never control the bad boaters.

wakechic · Post by **wakechic** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:05 pm

I don't know how to post pictures on here

MikeSouza · Post by **MikeSouza** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:19 pm

I read page one and that is as far as I have gone. EVeryone wants to bash the "wakeboarders" because of load music, big wakes, idiot drivers, but you like the hotties in the bikinis. Wakeboarders want to bash, water nats(jet skiers), crazy bass fisherman, yaghts, cigar boats.

We all have something against another hobby that we have no intention in liking. "OUR" sport is the best and "YOURS" means nothing. We can have a pissing contest, break out the measuring sticks and my daddy can beat up yours.

I am friends with some of California's top wakeboard pros. I used to ride with them on a weekly bases and we always had fun. We have the same mentality as in the wake boat as you all do in the bass boat. WE get on the water early 6am and off before the 11-noon bash of yahoo boaters show up. We rode early to get the best water, no boat traffic, to watch the sunrise. It's hard to learn new tricks when there are 10 boats right behind you, becasue you never know if they are paying attention. It's hard doing a video/photo shoot when there are a band wagon of boats following your every move. We usually left the riding to early mornings on weekends, but rode a lot during the week.

Don't point the finger at one group of people, becasue there are always 3 fingers pointing back at you from the same hand. There are yahoo drivers in wake boats, bass boats, jet skis, rafts, canoes, row boats, etc. I have gave the bird to many wake boats and to many bass boats. People need to just wake up and pay attention to other boaters on the waterway. Everyone has a right to use the water and if there was a permit issued, then that needs to be dealt with in their office. No need to bash someone for getting a permit to have tournament. If everything was done legally through the tournament host, don't bash him/her, but find out who gave permission.

I own a new Tige(wakeboat) and a new BassCat. I fish tournaments almost every week, but do like to take out the buddies and have some fun on the water. It is about having fun right. That is the reason for having hobbies and making the best of them. My first passion is fishing competitively here in Oklahoma and having fun while doing it. My second passion is making sure people around me are having fun and not trying to ruin THEIR moment in the spot light. We fish in tournaments to prove our skilss to ourself and to the other competetiors in the tournament. Wakeboarders ride in competetion to show off their skills and what they have accomplished over a learning period. If you have never been to a wakeboard competetion, then take the time, stop by and watch one. The people there are having a great time with friends and strangers because it is THEIR passion.

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