ACORN caught with their pants down.

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:43 pm

ACORN Officials Videotaped Telling Prostitute how to Lie to IRS.
Gee, why canâ€™t I find this story on CNN or ABC?

Everything surrounding Obama smells corrupt, how much more can this guy get away with?
I think I hear the fat lady is warming up.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:50 pm

Dang 2ndsuks,

I posted just about the same time as you did!
Check the hot link I included.

Marty wrote:ACORN is at it again! Who came from ACORN as an organizer?

http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/10/chaos-for-glory/

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:02 pm

Breaking news! ACCORN just fired the two employees caught on tape, what a curve ball!

By law Iâ€™m responsible for my employees actions, if only I could get away with firing a couple of them if something goes wrong.

I would hope that our left leaning friends on this forum do not come to ACORN's defense on this one. They have to understand why most Americans want to put a stop to government funding of these kinds radical organizations.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:58 pm

Where are our Liberal friends â€“ they are not defending or protecting ACORN, could this be the reasons?

ACORN had 400,000 fraudulent Voter Registration in the 2008 Presidential election.
ACORN is under investigation in 14 States
ACORN has 50 fraud convections to date
ACORN had 30 individuals pleading guilty to fraud
To date ACORN has spent 53 Million of Tax payers dollars
In the stimulus bill ACORN gets 8.5 Billion of Tax payers dollars â€“ is this a payoff?
Congressmen have called for 67 different investigations â€“ the investigations have been call for by (D) = 0, by (R) 67 â€“ is this a payoff?

ACORN is the old stomping ground for Obama, did he change his ways or what?

One Good thing â€“ The Census Director has sent a letter to the National Headquarters of ACORN notifying the group that the Census Bureau is severing all ties with the community organizing group for all work having to do with the 2010 census.

Delta is beast · Post by **Delta is beast** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:50 am

yup it seems like anything that has to do with corruption and has ties to obama does not go on the main stream media. and this is major news. acorn helping SEX SLAVE TRADES INTO THE US AND THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS NOT COVERING THIS!!!! AND NO ONE IS INVESTIGATING THIS. BUT THE MEDIA IS ALL OVER THE INVESTIGATION OF THE CIA BUT NOT THIS!!!!! WHAT!!! where is this country going. I know there is media bias but this unbelievable. not one major news network is covering this besides fox and CNN twice. twice. IS THIS LESS IMPORTANT THAT WILDFIRES!!!!!! BECAUSE I DONT THINK SO

Delta is beast · Post by **Delta is beast** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:44 pm

and did you hear barney frank on CNN. he just does the blame game. talkin how bushs admin funded it too. its missing the point. it doesnt matter what party your in. this is wrong and they shouldnt be getting tax payer money. 8.5 billion. so if you seriously say o bush like barney frank you seriously need to get the hell out of office and this country

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:23 pm

Get rid of the right wing and the sex trade would dry up, there would be no profit in it anymore. Us liberals get it for free.

Did you hear that guy that got caught spanking the lobbyists got a 100% approval rating on his voting record from conservatives?

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:11 pm

Uh this might come as a shock to someone who eats sleeps and drinks the party line, but not all democrats, independents and liberals actually agree with fringe factions like ACORN, PETA, etc..
I'm sure it's difficult to comprehend such a division, but I think it demonstrates what is lacking in the republican side, where any deviation from their religion is not tolerated.

Delta is beast · Post by **Delta is beast** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:54 pm

yes Dan. i dont think this is really a political issue. everyone should be outraged not just one party. everyone. yes republicans funded acorn and so are the democrats. why. i have no clue. and they need to put a stop to them getting 8.5 billion in tax payer dollars.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:05 pm

Greg are you talking about Joe Wilson or Michael Duvall?

As for Liberals getting it free â€“ that is because just look at what your getting! No thanks!

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:36 pm

I can tell you this, I don't know where you got your 8.5 billion?? In ACORNS history they have never received even 10% of that number, probably 1-3% of that would be closer to the facts. Not only that they have never received a dime for voter registration, and the tax monies they do receive from the feds comes through a competitive bid process with pretty strict controls. This isn't a defense for them, I just am surprised by some of the facts people use that aren't very factual.

I find it hard to trust any of these groups, and not just limited to ACORN but some of the Faith-Based groups as well who supposedly perform family services and counseling. You can join a church and get that for the price of a tithe if thats what you want to do.

Delta is beast · Post by **Delta is beast** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:58 pm

they are expected to recieve 8.5 billion in the stimulus

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:14 pm

Dan McKenzie wrote:I can tell you this, I don't know where you got your 8.5 billion?? In ACORNS history they have never received even 10% of that number, probably 1-3% of that would be closer to the facts. Not only that they have never received a dime for voter registration, and the tax monies they do receive from the feds comes through a competitive bid process with pretty strict controls. This isn't a defense for them, I just am surprised by some of the facts people use that aren't very factual.

I find it hard to trust any of these groups, and not just limited to ACORN but some of the Faith-Based groups as well who supposedly perform family services and counseling. You can join a church and get that for the price of a tithe if thats what you want to do.

"ACORN Housing Corporation received $1.6 million to provide housing services to low-income communities in this fiscal year, ending Sept. 30, according to USASpending.gov, a federal government Web site for tracking government grants."

"The Department of Housing and Urban Development Grants has given $8.2 million to ACORN in the years between 2003 and 2006, as well as $1.6million to ACORN affiliates."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09 ... nds-acorn/

smittyfish · Post by **smittyfish** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:48 pm

Marty,

That explains $9.8 million. I still don't see where you get $8.5 BILLION given to ACORN.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:50 pm

smittyfish wrote:Marty,

That explains $9.8 million. I still don't see where you get $8.5 BILLION given to ACORN.

Smitty, it is in the stimulus package as "Delta is beast" and also I got that from my right wing shows - they are the only ones that have read the stimulus package.

smittyfish · Post by **smittyfish** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:30 am

Well I guess if it was said on your right wing shows that it must be true. I would rather see some proof. I just need more than the fact that it was said by the conservative talking heads.

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:37 am

Now the argument evolves around specific numbers?

The fact is, ACORN is corrupt and needs to go..

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:54 am

NOT TRUE!

again the stimulas plan money available to various groups, but only through competitive bid. Niether ACORN nor any other group was given money outright through the Stimulas Plan.

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:55 am

big difference between 8 billion and 8 million. and I agree it should be "0".

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:25 am

Actually ACORN has set up susidiary companies to receive stimulus money as well. I saw an ACORN executive being grilled about one of them but don't remember the name. Our biggest concern is giving large amounts of tax dollars to any organization that has been involved in voter fraud and other illegal activity. Not exactly smart for a government to do regardless of party. I heard that 36 states have investigations currently on ACORN and voter fraud which is scary.

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:14 am

Im glad all this has come to a head! I hope they nail these guys so we can move on and think about what really matters.

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:21 am

smittyfish wrote: Well I guess if it was said on your right wing shows that it must be true. I would rather see some proof. I just need more than the fact that it was said by the conservative talking heads.

Smitty.

Does it really matter?
I could care less if ACCORN was from the far reaches of the conservative south, the are corrupt and they need to investigated and if found guilty, prosecuted!

Why does it appear that you are defending them.

Delta is beast · Post by **Delta is beast** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:58 pm

wasnt the stimulus bill written by SEIU. isnt SEIU and ACORN friends. yup. infact the founders are brothers. lol. so thats why theyd get the money from the stimulus

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:29 pm

Senate voted 83-7 to deny funding to ACORN today. Interesting the number of senators who weren't there to vote, at least the California delegation voted yea, surprising though it may be.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r ... vote=00275

smittyfish · Post by **smittyfish** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:45 pm

Hey 2nd,

I'm just asking for proof of the 8.9 billion dollars that you and Marty are talking about. All I have seen was 9.8 MILLION. That is a huge difference. I'm not defending, I'm just asking. Don't get so defensive. I want more proof than the fact that Limbaugh, or Hannity said so. Is that too much to ask?

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:09 pm

unfortunately with news coming at us from entertainers these days that is what you get, they say it's so, so it must be.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:45 pm

Smitty, I already told you were the 8.9 billion came from but it is not an issue anymore â€“ see Dan's post. (thanks Dan â€“ I did not know that).

Google is your friend â€“ just read about SEIU and ACORN!

President Obama received almost $28 million in independent expenditures from the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) for his 2008 campaign, while Labor Secretary Hilda Solis received $10,000 from the SEIUâ€™s PAC for her congressional race.

And President Obama pay back is these:

Section 164 of the Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 provides that the government pay 80 cents on the dollar to corporate and union insurance plans for claims between $15,000 and $90,000 for retirees age 55 to 64. Union health insurance funds only have about 30 cents available to cover each dollar of anticipated claims, according to the Lewin Group and other research outfits.

Written in a backroom, itâ€™s easy to understand why the House Democratsâ€™ bill provides numerous giveaways to special-interest groups and their allies. Here are just a few examples:

* Page 95; Section 205 â€“ The bill directs the â€œHealth Choices Commissionerâ€

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:52 pm

Dan McKenzie wrote:unfortunately with news coming at us from entertainers these days that is what you get, they say it's so, so it must be.

With the advances in the different media types why is it that AM Radio is leading? Could it be the message?

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:25 pm

if there is a message that is resonating with people (and I'm sure there is) for the life of me I don't get it. I don't need anyone to denounce, belittle, denegrate, or anything else to get my news.

Talk radio, and I'm talking political talk radio (Gene Burns Dining around Town is good

) is about as appealing as turnip greens to me. It's all hype, no respect and very little fact checking seems to be taking place from what I can tell. It's just another form of entertainment, like I love Lucy or Seinfeld, just not nearly as funny.
It's not about truth or justice, its about ratings and the further you push it, the better the ratings, and that equates into some pretty healthy paydays for the hosts, stations, advertisers, etc..

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:33 pm

They finally got my favorite talk show host in the 10 p.m. to 1 a.m. time slot on KGO. Super intelligent historian that served on Nixons election campaign team. John Rothman - super intelligent and a great historian who I've heard pull speeches verbatim out of no-where that are over 100 years old when correcting a caller. Finally someone who gets his point across without screaming.

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:48 pm

smittyfish wrote:Hey 2nd,

I'm just asking for proof of the 8.9 billion dollars that you and Marty are talking about.

No figures were quoted by me smitty, you pulled that assumption out of thin air.
It looks like Limbaugh and Hannity are not the only ones guilty of distorting facts, don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

I want more proof than the fact smitty said so.

smittyfish · Post by **smittyfish** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:18 am

I didn't say ****. I just asked a question that seems to have stirred you all up. You might not have quoted the exact numbers but you did jump on Marty's bandwagon. You agreed with Marty because he said so.

Calm down buddy, I just asked a question..............jeeeeesh.

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:27 am

smittyfish wrote:I didn't say ****. I just asked a question that seems to have stirred you all up. You might not have quoted the exact numbers but you did jump on Marty's bandwagon. You agreed with Marty because he said so. smitty, I didn't quote any numbers period and I didn't jump on any "bandwagon" I started the thread.

Calm down buddy, I just asked a question..............jeeeeesh.

Calm down? I'm not the one using ****
Dude, you best put that pipe down.

smittyfish · Post by **smittyfish** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:13 pm

So I asked a question and now you say that I'm on drugs. I don't do drugs and never did. But I guess that is a quick way to avoid the subject at hand.

My guess is that you have no answer. You easily could have said that you weren't aware of the specific numbers. But then you would have had to admit that you didn't know something.

Have a great day.

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:41 pm

The pipe comment was metaphorical smitty.

What subject am I avoiding and what question are you asking me?
I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:15 pm

2ndsuks wrote:The pipe comment was metaphorical smitty.

What subject am I avoiding and what question are you asking me?
I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing.

I've done drugs.

But I'm not running for office so who gives a rat's ***?

That's funny, the f word is not censored but the word a$$ is.

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:09 pm

Greg_Cornish wrote:
That's funny, the f word is not censored but the word a$$ is.

Feinstein. Your're right Greg!

Vince E · Post by **Vince E** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:36 pm

But I guess that is a quick way to avoid the subject at hand

Hey, if Jimmy Carter can do it then why not 2nd?

Vince E · Post by **Vince E** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:43 pm

Listening to NPR today, for balance, I heard about the funding being cut off but more importantly they won't be helping with the Census.

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