Cheaters... Tournament on Delta 4/3

Kilroy · Post by **Kilroy** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:27 am

I was wondering who won the Folsom Bass Club Tournament on the Delta yesterday 4/3. I was wondering if it was the boat I saw getting a hand off of some fish from another boat in River's End Marina? Are you serious? Come on guys, cheating? I hope you get caught!!!

rich mendoza · Post by **rich mendoza** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:03 pm

folsom bass team did NOT have a tourny yesterday. ive never herd of folsom bass club?

Kilroy · Post by **Kilroy** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:26 pm

If Folsom Bass did not have a tournament yesterday, I'm sorry if offended anyone from that club. Thats the club tournament they said they were fishing. I should have followed the turds to their weigh in and turned them in to the director... They said they launched from Ladds if anyone knows of a tounament that launched there yesterday.

green_monster · Post by **green_monster** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:30 pm

Definitely wasn't us. But thanks for the promotion. Folsom Bass Team is a great group of guys who fish together for the love of fishing, to learn, and make GREAT friends! Anyone interested in any or all of the above check us out, we are currently accepting new members.

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:11 pm

ABA and AC East both had tourneys yesterday, Can you describe the boat or CA numbers?

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:13 pm

Kilroy wrote:If Folsom Bass did not have a tournament yesterday, I'm sorry if offended anyone from that club. Thats the club tournament they said they were fishing. I should have followed the turds to their weigh in and turned them in to the director... They said they launched from Ladds if anyone knows of a tounament that launched there yesterday.

They lied, Did you get CA numbers? What type of Boats? I'm staff for ABA and would like to know.

Kilroy · Post by **Kilroy** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:09 pm

The ones who received the fish were in a white ranger with gray stripes. The front of the boat was a white male, blue rain gear and red hat. Both men in the Ranger were approximately 30ish. The rear was a white male with green rain gear and a blue hat. The giver of the fish was a solo white male in a white Champion with reddish orange stripes with an older Mercury. He was older maybe 40ish.

bigdaddys · Post by **bigdaddys** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:35 pm

SKIN EM'!!!!!!!!! HOPE SOMEBODY HERE RECOGNIZES THE BOATS AND POSTS THIER NAMES!!

brambo0311 · Post by **brambo0311** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:42 pm

I won't type what I'm thinking, that's premeditated. I'm spontainous. And not a speller. Lol

TAP25 · Post by **TAP25** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:52 pm

Why don't any of the organizations have lie detector tests anymore. I would rather pay a little extra for the service then to lose my money to a cheater!!!!! It seems that this is slowly becoming a problem from west to east!

fishwithron2 · Post by **fishwithron2** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:13 pm

There was 2 tourney sat on the delta. ABA came out of Russo's and AC came out of B & W.

Zak Elrite · Post by **Zak Elrite** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:06 pm

BassManDan · Post by **BassManDan** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:43 pm

Good description, hopefully someone well recognize who it was.

texas john · Post by **texas john** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:34 pm

THis is dissgracefull......There is no words to discribe what I am feeling. I hope these guys are reconized and get caught! These are the kinda guys that give this sport a bad name. If they are caught there names should be published and they should be banned from all events for the next ten years. There is no excuse for this.....

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:44 pm

It amazes me more and more to see this kind of stuff going on. I use to have this idea that fellow fishermen were good guys that helped each other. Must be a b!tch to live with cheating to win each day. To know you suck and have to cheat to win anything. Major props to the guys that are taking a stand on this stuff. Maybe these kind of guys will get caught and the next time YOU fish a tournament you'll know you didnt donate to a cheaters fund

Mike Silva · Post by **Mike Silva** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:50 pm

Really it should not be very hard to figure out who they were. ABA had 49 boats weigh fish and AC-E had 23. If they were willing to cheat, chances are they are in the money.

fishwithron2 · Post by **fishwithron2** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:25 pm

Must be anew type of team tournament where it's a 4 man team where you weigh best 5 ????? Different concept of the old 2 man team.

Team Pollard · Post by **Team Pollard** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:45 pm

There should be a lie detector test on all tournaments for the top three with money envolved.If they test for steriods in Baseball, drugs in football and basketball then in are sport they should do test.When money is involved, I hate to say, someone will cheat. Its sad, but true. get rid of the cheaters by lie dectotor test.

JohnMarino · Post by **JohnMarino** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:26 pm

Team Pollard wrote:There should be a lie detector test on all tournaments for the top three with money envolved.If they test for steriods in Baseball, drugs in football and basketball then in are sport they should do test.When money is involved, I hate to say, someone will cheat. Its sad, but true. get rid of the cheaters by lie dectotor test.

Everyone in the top 3 lies about everything

lol they cant even tell their secret baits!

DeltaDan · Post by **DeltaDan** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:47 pm

Anyone here have Picture Proof, CellPhone Camera video's, even a CF # to back it up if they were that close to them ?

Back up the Witch Hunting........ Until there is ever any Proof.

Hell- Honestly ... It could of been a meat eater just near his limit for LM's, Crapies, and even Linesiders combined to stay legal before they haulled it off to the fish market.

This Chit happens every day ........ and the Fact of the Matter- IS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE CA DFG TO PROTECT IT in and on our waters and land !

PS- WTH is KilRoy ~ with all but 11 post on here to proclame A Scarlet Letter w/o PROOF ?

Grape Ape · Post by **Grape Ape** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:43 am

"Eye Witness" carries a lot of weight. May not be enough for a convicition but sure will "serve notice"!

captjohn · Post by **captjohn** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:21 am

Here we go got to have a witness BS, dont no how it works in North Cal but in So Cal no witness, no DQ.

You can have guys fishing outside legal areas or speeding in the mornings ( lakes down here have speed limits) so draw means everything. Basically you could turn some one for beating you to your fish even if you have a better draw. If you dont have a witness nothing gets done.

They probably wouldn't dq these guys even if that guy showed up at the weigh in and told the TD what he saw.

macinckirk · Post by **macinckirk** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:31 am

captjohn wrote:Here we go got to have a witness BS, dont no how it works in North Cal but in So Cal no witness, no DQ.

You can have guys fishing outside legal areas or speeding in the mornings ( lakes down here have speed limits) so draw means everything. Basically you could turn some one for beating you to your fish even if you have a better draw. If you dont have a witness nothing gets done.

They probably wouldn't dq these guys even if that guy showed up at the weigh in and told the TD what he saw.

+ 10000000

this hit the nail on the head

ash · Post by **ash** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:52 am

Yes, on behalf of Folsom Bass Team we appreciate the free advertisment, but there was not a FBT tournament this weekend.

Did one of the guys from the boat handing over fish get in the boat with the other two?

I hope this gets straitened out by the TD's....

Kilroy · Post by **Kilroy** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:43 am

Delta Dan, why so defensive? Hit a nerve? I know what I saw and what they told me. Yes I only have 11 post on here if thats what your research told you. I wasn't even going to post this topic but since I fish tournaments and it was eating at me, I decided to post it. I only wish I would have gotten their CF #'s. Lesson learned I guess. Thanks to everyone else who has a positive post about this ongoing topic and problem. I guess we all may have learned something here.

Just because I don't have over 2500 post on here doesn't mean what I posted isn't true...

Kilroy was here...

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:19 am

Kilroy,

Dont pay any attention to dan, Nobody else does............

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:56 am

texas john wrote:THis is dissgracefull......There is no words to discribe what I am feeling. I hope these guys are reconized and get caught! These are the kinda guys that give this sport a bad name. If they are caught there names should be published and they should be banned from all events for the next ten years. There is no excuse for this.....

Funny (but not really) how a guy that tags WestenBass a drama queen on another site comes over here and jumps in trying to stir up a lynching. Time to get over the "this site, that site" crap. Everybody, except the ones no longer allowed here for good reason, are the same fishermen.

Yeah, IF these guys cheated they should go down but let's find out if they were even in a tournament. This post was about cheaters in a FOLSOM BASS tournament that wasn't even on the water. Let's see some contact between Kilroy and the TO's on the water. Good to see Brian step up and show interest to clear his Org's field. Not trying to bang you Kilroy but cheating is a serious accusation. Did they say they were cheating too? Obviously you had a conversation to find out the Folsom thing.

Nobody wants to fish an event that turns an eye to this kind of crap. Org's may feel that it is best to ignore but soon enough nobody will fish because it is tough to beat 4 guys fishing out of one boat. The good thing is cheating seems to be VERY rare. Look at how many teams fish a tournament every week. Allegations like this just get a lot of attention.

BTW there is no need to "ban somebody for ten years" for cheating. All organizations have lifetime bans on cheaters. Those bans include cheating in another organization's event. FLW takes it even further to ban a person convicted of ANY Felony.

davet. · Post by **davet.** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:33 am

Kilroy wrote:I was wondering who won the Folsom Bass Club Tournament on the Delta yesterday 4/3. I was wondering if it was the boat I saw getting a hand off of some fish from another boat in River's End Marina? Are you serious? Come on guys, cheating? I hope you get caught!!!

Here we have some 14 posting lurker (sorry, but if the shoe fits..) who is willing to spew sewage without even checking the clubs official website and readily available tourney schedule.
No hull number, names, nothing. Just chicken little crap that always gets the hackles raised of everybody with no proof that it even occurred. Don't even know if they were in a tourney.
1) Get proof
2) Then post or report to TD.

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:44 am

davet. wrote:
Kilroy wrote:I was wondering who won the Folsom Bass Club Tournament on the Delta yesterday 4/3. I was wondering if it was the boat I saw getting a hand off of some fish from another boat in River's End Marina? Are you serious? Come on guys, cheating? I hope you get caught!!!

Here we have some 14 posting lurker (sorry, but if the shoe fits..) who is willing to spew sewage without even checking the clubs official website and readily available tourney schedule.
No hull number, names, nothing. Just chicken little crap that always gets the hackles raised of everybody with no proof that it even occurred. Don't even know if they were in a tourney.
1) Get proof
2) Then post or report to TD.

Iâ€™m going to have to disagree with that statement dave. Not everyone is looking for a confrontation on the water with someone that may be cheating. He may not have thought to write down the CF numbers or didnâ€™t want to be seen taking pictures. I would have been very vocal if I would of saw this going on but not everyone is like that.

And as far as proof, hell Iâ€™ve seen pictures of barrels and fish feeders and everything else taken of cheaters and still nothing was done. So even with proof, some orgâ€™s still want to look the other way to avoid the controversy.

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:01 am

Kilroy wrote:If Folsom Bass did not have a tournament yesterday, I'm sorry if offended anyone from that club. Thats the club tournament they said they were fishing. I should have followed the turds to their weigh in and turned them in to the director... They said they launched from Ladds if anyone knows of a tounament that launched there yesterday.

Looks like he did talk to them. Maybe they do fish Folsom. Just not in a tournament that day? Depends on how the question was worded.
Cheating is very serious business and I hope that Orgs take it seriously. You can be sure that nobody will fish a tournament that they know has a cheater in the field.

RipnRog · Post by **RipnRog** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:44 am

You can rest assured that my staff and I take this very serious and we are going to be looking thru the pictures of our top 10 to verify if any of the guys were in our tournament.

if Kilroy can identify any of the guys in my tournaments as those he witnessed getting fish from another boat then the appropriate measures will be taken.

PS over tha past few years I have DQ'd 13 boats for their days catch for either being late or running to fast in a 5MPH zone. The 5MPH zone was a protest both times and both times the team was DQ'd. I can assure you that my staff and I do care and we enforce the rules in the tournaments we run. Heck I even go so far as to hand out a full copy of the rules to each team at every tournament.

Rodger Stegall Delta and Folsom ABA...

Chad Dibble · Post by **Chad Dibble** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:52 am

No need to find out who they are and post their names...I'll do it.

Kilroy, or whatever your name is since you donâ€™t post it. Scratch that, letâ€™s call you Mr. Mason. Or how about Cagney. Maybe even Lacey.

Whichever it isâ€¦youâ€™re an idiot. Now letâ€™s get some facts straight.

First off, I never said I was fishing a Folsom Bass Team tournament. You just asked me what club I fished. I said Folsom. Which is a great club and never would they, nor do I, condone cheating in an event. Of any kind!

It was my Ranger yes, but itâ€™s white, blue, and red! My co-angler was my DAD, whoâ€™s 62, and he was wearing a white and green hat. You want my CF#?!

The guy you saw in the Champion, Iâ€™ve never met, but he was well over 50. Nice try though.

What you thought you saw, was actually me fishing with my Father on Easter weekend and taking time out of my day, to JUMP START a guy who was having trouble!!! The guy said he just bought the boat a month ago. If you actually paid attention and registered what you were seeing, you would have seen that he was trying to start it for a good 10 minutes before he asked me for help. He even tied up to a dock beforehand to try and fix the problem himself. Long story short, it turned out not to be the battery. But I can see how shinny red and black jumper cables look like huge green bass!

If anything I should be the one on here bashing YOU. I donâ€™t know if it was your Pink Panther/Perry Mason detective side kicking in, but youâ€™re the guy who was completely out of line. The reason I told you that I was fishing a tournament, when you just about rammed your boat into mine, was because you had not only cut me off and jumped in front of me when I stopped to help the guy, but when I switched sides of the channel turned around and then went out and down the other slough, you then jumped sides of the slough and followed me down. You were casting in my back pocket! You even had the balls to say, â€œHey are you guys fishing a tournament? If you guys are fishing a tournament I wonâ€™t fish up on youâ€

RipnRog · Post by **RipnRog** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:59 am

[quote="Chad Dibble"]No need to find out who they are and post their names...I'll do it.

Kilroy, or whatever your name is since you donâ€™t post it. Scratch that, letâ€™s call you Mr. Mason. Or how about Cagney. Maybe even Lacey.

Whichever it isâ€¦youâ€™re an idiot. Now letâ€™s get some facts straight.

First off, I never said I was fishing a Folsom Bass Team tournament. You just asked me what club I fished. I said Folsom. Which is a great club and never would they, nor do I, condone cheating in an event. Of any kind!

It was my Ranger yes, but itâ€™s white, blue, and red! My co-angler was my DAD, whoâ€™s 62, and he was wearing a white and green hat. You want my CF#?!

The guy you saw in the Champion, Iâ€™ve never met, but he was well over 50. Nice try though.

What you thought you saw, was actually me fishing with my Father on Easter weekend and taking time out of my day, to JUMP START a guy who was having trouble!!! The guy said he just bought the boat a month ago. If you actually paid attention and registered what you were seeing, you would have seen that he was trying to start it for a good 10 minutes before he asked me for help. He even tied up to a dock beforehand to try and fix the problem himself. Long story short, it turned out not to be the battery. But I can see how shinny red and black jumper cables look like huge green bass!

If anything I should be the one on here bashing YOU. I donâ€™t know if it was your Pink Panther/Perry Mason detective side kicking in, but youâ€™re the guy who was completely out of line. The reason I told you that I was fishing a tournament, when you just about rammed your boat into mine, was because you had not only cut me off and jumped in front of me when I stopped to help the guy, but when I switched sides of the channel turned around and then went out and down the other slough, you then jumped sides of the slough and followed me down. You were casting in my back pocket! You even had the balls to say, â€œHey are you guys fishing a tournament? If you guys are fishing a tournament I wonâ€™t fish up on youâ€

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:10 am

Checkmate!

BuckSnort · Post by **BuckSnort** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:23 am

BURN !!

Stretch1 · Post by **Stretch1** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:28 am

OH SNAP!!!

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:28 am

Thanks for clearing that up Chad.

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:30 am

Kilroy was here!

brambo0311 · Post by **brambo0311** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:34 am

That was like watching a seal get clubed. LOL

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:38 am

mark poulson wrote:Kilroy was here!

Is that like a Wooch sighting?

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:40 am

brambo0311 wrote:That was like watching a seal get clubed. LOL

LMAO

Brian D. · Post by **Brian D.** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:48 am

Is there a d-bag rule?

OMG... brilliant!

JustinD · Post by **JustinD** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:49 am

More drama than a hen house............Perhaps fishing frustration.

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:02 am

Kilroy will take his beating for this one but he should not be there alone. How about some of the other guys that immediately ASSUMED that this act occurred?

As I said earlier, allegations like this hurt the organizations that are on the water as much as the accused cheater. You guys that assumed that the action went down as stated and wanted to hang the perps before hearing the facts should go sit in the corner with Kilroy.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:22 am

mark poulson wrote:Kilroy was here!

brambo0311 · Post by **brambo0311** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:33 am

I'm just here for the lynching. Is Kilroy gunna swing? I'm not really concerned with guilt or inocent, just the short drop, pop, and twitchy thingy. LOL

with all the talk about cheating, it sure looked for real. Guess we learn a little from this one.

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:34 am

Robert F wrote:Kilroy will take his beating for this one but he should not be there alone. How about some of the other guys that immediately ASSUMED that this act occurred?

As I said earlier, allegations like this hurt the organizations that are on the water as much as the accused cheater. You guys that assumed that the action went down as stated and wanted to hang the perps before hearing the facts should go sit in the corner with Kilroy.

Well at least he said something. He THOUGHT he saw something and brought it to attention. Everything worked out for the good and thats great to hear!!! Good job by both parties.

Fast Eddie · Post by **Fast Eddie** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:55 am

Thanx Chad.
Ever notice that even if you didn't do anything wrong you seem to get a pit in your stomack, that just knots up when accusations fly. Notice there was no response from USAC.

I t has tainted mine a Rick's victory, that we worked hard for.

The sad thing is my Ranger is white with silver stripe which could very well be mistaken for gray.(especially if jumper cables look like bass

) However we fished out of Ricks black Ranger, because mines is at Bucks Outboards in Sac an has been there since Cesar chavez's birthday.

Kilroy, everybody makes mistakes, unfortunately yours was a lulu. I will sleep better tonight not worrying about everthing I ever did wrong in my entire life showing up on a lie detector

The other guys should be given a break too. I mean after all they chimed in on what they thought were facts, and as fisherman what we all need to be focused on now is SB 2236 (?).

Guys if you haven't heard, go to Bobby Barrack.com an send him an e-mail, we need to put this past us an get the ball rollin on stoppin this senate bill
TL
FE

Kilroy · Post by **Kilroy** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:18 pm

Mr Dibble... I did not cut in front of you nor did I just about ram your boat. Closest I got to your boat was maybe 30 yards at the closest. If I was any closer, I may have neen able to determine the actual color of your boat colors. I find it very funny though trying to change the direction of this topic. I thought my question (Are you in a tournament?) was a very professional one since the same question gets asked of me all the time when people fish up in the same area I am fishing. If you recall as soon as you said yes you were fishing a tournament, I gave you the RESPECT of moving on. I had no intentions of writing on this topic but what I saw is what I saw and it was eating at me for the entire day. If you remember the facts correctly, you were hanging onto the covered slip, not fishing at all when the Champion came up and I saw what appeared to the guy reaching into his livewells and handing what appeared to be cullem-rite over to the Ranger. The total time you were together was all of about 5 minutes at the most. I'm sure if the tables were turned, and you saw what I saw, you would have thought the same thing. I am not one who usually stirs up controversy and I apologize to all that got caught up on this topic. If in fact Mr. Dibble you were not cheating and it was in fact a jump start, I am VERY sorry. My hat's off to you for stepping up and clearing the mud. I should have called you out on it on the day it happened and it may have fixed it then. If you want Mr. Dibble, I would be happy to buy you a cold one in an attempt to reconcile and apologize in person

Brad

snapitoff2002 · Post by **snapitoff2002** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:26 pm

Fast Eddie wrote:Thanx Chad.
Ever notice that even if you didn't do anything wrong you seem to get a pit in your stomack, that just knots up when accusations fly. Notice there was no response from USAC. I t has tainted mine a Rick's victory, that we worked hard for. The sad thing is my Ranger is white with silver stripe which could very well be mistaken for gray.(especially if jumper cables look like bass ) However we fished out of Ricks black Ranger, because mines is at Bucks Outboards in Sac an has been there since Cesar chavez's birthday.
Kilroy, everybody makes mistakes, unfortunately yours was a lulu. I will sleep better tonight not worrying about everthing I ever did wrong in my entire life showing up on a lie detector

The other guys should be given a break too. I mean after all they chimed in on what they thought were facts, and as fisherman what we all need to be focused on now is SB 2236 (?).

Guys if you haven't heard, go to Bobby Barrack.com an send him an e-mail, we need to put this past us an get the ball rollin on stoppin this senate bill
TL
FE

Ed... no one would even think of you in that manner.. you're one of the good guys!

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