Would you fish a TOC... or a circuit for that matter

[stickbait]

if you find out after the season is over that they changed the the amount of TOC qualifiers in your region from 44 (stated in the rules) to 65. Without tellin anyone or announcing it in anyway during the year.. when asked about this the answer was, ( after many emails and phone calls that were never answered) .. It's my circuit I'll do what I want...

Would you fish that circuit if when you recieve your TOC confirmation it states that you have to pay 90.00 (which was never announced at anytime during the season) to help off set the cost of security gaurds, to help off set the discounted room rates at the host hotel..and to increase the TOC payback..on top of the 50.00 option pot.

Would you fish this circuit if your TOC awards dinner cost you 39.00 PER ANGLER..

Just asking here ??? What would you do??

I think this Tournament org. might have stubbed their toe on this one and that's so sad to see...

[flipit]

First Ill answer your question, no I would not and I dont. Its flat out wrong(my opinion)

Second I have never fished that circuit due to the fact that every year I hear alot of complaints about this kind of thing, missing awards or prizes. Personally I dont know why anybody fish's that organization, but thats how I feel. So it remains you fish what ya want or like or both. It is a business so I expect them to make money. However some are taking advantage of their anglers. Ive been tournament fishing for over 10 years and I cant recall ever having to pay anymore then $25(except for options) for the TOC and it included the dinner.

I would really prefer to fish NBW, as they still are the best circuit Id fished. Its unfortunate that Northern California has not embraced this organization. I think the new schedule only has one circuit in Nor Cal and its Clear Lake, too far for me that often as I dont have that much free time.

[gixxer464]

What org. are you guys referring to?

[stickbait]

What org. are you guys referring to?

I was just asking, would you support a org that was ran like this ...you can pm me if you would like more info

[DPEARL]

I too was extremely frustrated to find out there's a $90 mandatory fee, plus the $40 dinner.

[stickbait]

I too was extremely frustrated to find out there's a $90 mandatory fee, plus the $40 dinner that is (mandatory for at least one person per boat?).. Seems a bit outrageous to me considering the payback will be quite small aside from the boat and truck.

Thanks for that.. I was wondering if I was the only one seeing/feeling this...

LOOK OUT WRL.. I think you are going to get a huge push of new anglers coming your way !!!!

[rangerangler18]

That would be very disappointing, I wouldn't fish it.

[captjohn71]

No, I would not and i think you should post what org. you are reffering to.

[DPEARL]

I too was extremely frustrated to find out there's a $90 mandatory fee, plus the $40 dinner that is (mandatory for at least one person per boat?).. Seems a bit outrageous to me considering the payback will be quite small aside from the boat and truck.

Thanks for that.. I was wondering if I was the only one seeing/feeling this...

LOOK OUT WRL.. I think you are going to get a huge push of new anglers coming your way !!!!

I too don't remember reading about the $90 at the beginning of the season and was quite surprised at that. I'm all for options in the TOC for added cash, but mandatory and low payouts doesn't seem too great. I didn't even know about the 25 additional boats.

[teamecf]

i fished won bass this last year and also fished the TOC this last weekend at New Melones and it was a great tournament the staff,sponsors, and participants were great and the giveaways were outstanding.im not sure which toc you are refering to but all in all the won bass TOC was a great tournament nothing hidden.as for that TOC i'm sorry to hear that.won bass is coming around and i'm sure it will be nothing but better from here.thanks for a great time and great tournament

[stickbait]

I too was extremely frustrated to find out there's a $90 mandatory fee, plus the $40 dinner that is (mandatory for at least one person per boat?).. Seems a bit outrageous to me considering the payback will be quite small aside from the boat and truck.

Thanks for that.. I was wondering if I was the only one seeing/feeling this...

LOOK OUT WRL.. I think you are going to get a huge push of new anglers coming your way !!!!

I too don't remember reading about the $90 at the beginning of the season and was quite surprised at that. I'm all for options in the TOC for added cash, but mandatory and low payouts doesn't seem too great. I didn't even know about the 25 additional boats.

you can see some of the numbers here

http://www.westernbass.com/forum/viewto ... t=61044&p=

[Brian]

When are you guys going to learn?............

[bassman0828]

i well agree with you 100% i fished this circuit for the first time and i can tell you all that i will never fish it again its a joke payback sucks the reason i fished it in the first place was b/c i like the format for the toc with the 2 diferent locations but now that i have to pay to eat and give the TD more money if i want to fish for something that wee all worked hard to get to thats my b***h for the year i will be going back to wrl next year and should have never left

[stickbait]

i well agree with you 100% i fished this circuit for the first time and i can tell you all that i will never fish it again its a joke payback sucks the reason i fished it in the first place was b/c i like the format for the toc with the 2 diferent locations but now that i have to pay to eat and give the TD more money if i want to fish for something that wee all worked hard to get to thats my b***h for the year i will be going back to wrl next year and should have never left

Not only you have to pay more, but you now have to fish against 25 more teams just in one region plus whatever number they pull out of the sky from the other region that finished up saturday..

That really lowered your odds of winning by a whole bunch, didn't it? ...

I thought I was the only one seeing this.. thanks ...so I guess your answer to my question would be .. NO...

[bassman0828]

the thing was at least what a few of us were told on sat that there was going to be around 25 to 30 teams so when there dhould have only been around 60 to 70 u r looking @ around 85 to 90 which is ok with me if u go by the ruels u post

[ash]

Sometimes I dont understand what is going on with this site either

http://www.westernbass.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58578


I havnt really heard guys that are actually fishing in the TOC raise this issue up as a point of conention, yet there seems to be quite a few that have vocalized not liking the FPT or the TD that make it a point to stir up the shizz whenever possible that are NOT EVEN FISHING THE SERIES. Even if that is not your "intent" it is result.

Stickbait you are confusing me, I guess this just needed to be the "Monday" post to get everyone woke up.



Cant we all just have a nice cup of life and bask in the glory of the 49'ers win over the Raiders

[basslayer]

+1

Except the niners part

[JohnnyG1]

AMEN TO THE 49ER'S WIN

[sky88s]

No PERIOD..

man its a TOC..you earned the right to be in that position..so what if they have to offset the cost..isnt that what the membership fees are for?..

sucks to be in your position..sorry brother

[stickbait]

Sometimes I dont understand what is going on with this site either

http://www.westernbass.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58578


I havnt really heard guys that are actually fishing in the TOC raise this issue up as a point of conention, yet there seems to be quite a few that have vocalized not liking the FPT or the TD that make it a point to stir up the shizz whenever possible that are NOT EVEN FISHING THE SERIES. Even if that is not your "intent" it is result.

Stickbait you are confusing me, I guess this just needed to be the "Monday" post to get everyone woke up.



Cant we all just have a nice cup of life and bask in the glory of the 49'ers win over the Raiders

Ya I guess I have a change of heart ...and some point someone has to stand up and say enough is enough.. lets just call it a public announcement as you don't know what my intent is do you..really...

I never mentioned a org ... "you" did, thanks for that...also you never answered my simple question .. would you fish ???

Let me ask you a question Ash... you fish all season, you fish hard, you spend lots of money... you make the TOC, you get to fish for 85 grand !!!

Then you find out (after the season is over) you have to fish against 30 added teams, then when you recieve your confirmation ya have to pay another 90 bucks.. ...that is BS my friend..The real question would be what is the orgs intent... NOT mine

i well agree with you 100% i fished this circuit for the first time and i can tell you all that i will never fish it again its a joke payback sucks the reason i fished it in the first place was b/c i like the format for the toc with the 2 diferent locations but now that i have to pay to eat and give the TD more money if i want to fish for something that wee all worked hard to get to thats my b***h for the year i will be going back to wrl next year and should have never left

I too was extremely frustrated to find out there's a $90 mandatory fee, plus the $40 dinner that is (mandatory for at least one person per boat?).. Seems a bit outrageous to me considering the payback will be quite small aside from the boat and truck.

[Dom]

I personally would still fish it , dude you worked hard all year to make the TOC it takes dedication however I would call the TD up and ask "what gives" on the extra cash as for the other boats dude if your fishing aginst them boats in your head instead of aginst them bass then you already lost.

The other boats are just that other boats your goal is to catch the fattest sack you can and not worry about other boats. the CASH yea I would be straight up pissed and I am very vocal (incase you have missed that over the years ) I would let the TD know it . But yea if my partner and I worked for it and we made it I would fish it. as for the DINNER man for that kind of cash I could get TEXAS ROAD HOUSE or OUTBACK Shrimp on the barbie

But Then again I was fishing the WCB TOC while my wife was giving birth to my son LMAO DEDICATION REMEMBER

[JustFishn]

Ok I got to jump in.

You can bash the circuit all you want. To each his own. But lets get some facts straight if we are going to talk sh*T.
Folks come on here and make comments that if you actually learned how to read rules like you read this forum, you might not have so much to complain about

. There was a post earlier that asked the question about the numbers in the field and they posted the rules. Right there was a guy who did his homework and asked a good question. But come on here and bitch about the 90 dollars and the 39 dinner. Did you read the toc rules it clearly states the 90 dollar entry fee. It was in there before the season even started. It wasn't hidden just needed to be read under TOC RULES. Second did anyone read the letter. Cause I don't see anywhere where it states you have to pay for the dinner. It only says that one of you have to be there to check in. So no one is out 39 dollars for a dinner. Go eat Taco bell and go to the meeting where you can win a bunch of great stuff.

I like the circuit and have made some great friends for life. And at the end of the year I pay 90 bucks and I am fishing for a boat, truck and a trip to mexico. And I'm fishing against less then a 100 boats. What other circuit offers that? Oh yeah and during the regular season if I'm lucky enought to get a check which doesn't happen that much I get 200 bucks. 130 to get in on everything and I get 200 bucks if I'm lucky enough to make a check. Which other circuits last check covers entry, options and a little gas. Can't think of one!

Well that just my to cents and I wish everyone good luck at the toc. I know I will need all the luck I can get.

Justin Nelson

[Whoopbass]

"Oh yeah and during the regular season if I'm lucky enough to get a check which doesn't happen that much I get 200 bucks. 130 to get in on everything and I get 200 bucks if I'm lucky enough to make a check. Which other circuits last check covers entry, options and a little gas. Can't think of one!"

So every now and then you break even fishing a tournament. Sounds like crap to me. I would hang it up or fish club tourneys until I thought I could break even for the entire season.
FPT gets more boats and pay back less percentage wise then everybody so I don't understand your logic.

[basslayer]

I believe Wrl is $40 more a tourney. That would explain the larger payouts. Also part of every entry fee goes to the TOC whether you make it or not. The FPT toc is only payed for buy the teams that make it. Nothing wrong with either system there just different. Also the dinner isn't just a simple bbq its a formal dinner with all the fixings and all you can eat. Throw in the free wine and its a pretty good deal for those who want to attend since its not mandatory.

[Phil]

God, it's just great to be an American and have these choices is'nt it ?? Seems to me thats the bottom line . Do it or not, we have freedom and the choice.

[flipit]

I believe Wrl is $40 more a tourney. That would explain the larger payouts. Also part of every entry fee goes to the TOC whether you make it or not. The FPT toc is only payed for buy the teams that make it. Nothing wrong with either system there just different. Also the dinner isn't just a simple bbq its a formal dinner with all the fixings and all you can eat. Throw in the free wine and its a pretty good deal for those who want to attend since its not mandatory.

Sorry but the WRL is $90 entry and has another $90 in option money is you desire. Just my opinion but $40 for a required dinner is crazy. I can get a lobster and filet for much less. The problem is a budget circuit is not so buget when all these requirements are added in.

[JustFishn]

Whoopbass

Yeah if I happen to get a check and break even for the day then yes I am happy. Not sure how much money you make fishing tournies but you must win a lot to come ahead at the end of the year. Boat payment, maintence, gas, tackle, hotels, food, time off work and away from family...etc. Who really gets ahead in these things when you think about it? So again if get a check I know that I recouped my entry and gas I'm happy about that. Am I not happy I didn't win more Hell yes but maybe next time, at least I know I can put my entry money back in for the following month.

One more thing Whoopbass since your statement says there payback percentage is lower then everybodys. Did you do the math can you break it down for me what the actually percentages are viruses other circuits? You can pm me it or post it on here.

Like I said to each his own. And good luck where ever you fish.

Justin Nelson

[Brian Linehan]

God, it's just great to be an American and have these choices isn't it ?? Seems to me thats the bottom line . Do it or not, we have freedom and the choice.

Amen to that! As I type this, my a$$ is sitting on a beach in Costa Rica....tough life! Seriously though, it really puts things in perspective when you visit somewhere like here and see how poor people are. We are so lucky to do the things we do in the states and it's amazing to me how we all bitch about the most insignificant things sometimes.

In the grand scheme of things, this tournament drama isn't alll that important. We have guys dying in Afganistan and Iraq daily. Instead of complaining about an organization, how about calling them up and discussing your frustration or better yet, offer them your suggestions as to how they can improve. That sounds more productive and beneficial to everyone inlvolved.

Brian

[basslayer]

The dinner isnt mandatory. The rules meeting BEFORE the dinner is the mandatory for one team member and there is no charge to attend that meeting. $90entry+$90 in option is still $55 dollars more than the $135 all in on FPT. Like i said before neither is better just different.

[sTony]

In the grand scheme of things, this tournament drama isn't all that important. We have guys dying in Afganistan and Iraq daily. Instead of complaining about an organization, how about calling them up and discussing your frustration or better yet, offer them your suggestions as to how they can improve. That sounds more productive and beneficial to everyone involved.

Brian

Bingo!

sTony

[JJCJR]

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[Andy Lippert]

I agree on the fact that we are all American's who are some of the luckiest SOB's on the face of this earth. We have choice and opportunity. If you don't like something, don't do it. Period. You have the choice not to. There are things much worse in life to bitch about, most of which many of us will never have to experience just because we were born in this great country. You could've been born in Cambodia, and learned to "fish" by trying to catch garbage out of the sewage canal in front of your house, with a rock on the end of a rope (I took this picture in 2008 while I was there for a bi-lateral military training/humanitarian operation).


We are all lucky here, it's about time we stop f***ing complaining like a bunch of little girls over trivial s**t!


About sending stuff to the Stan...It's getting to be winter there, and getting pretty darn cold. The climate there in the mountains and valleys resembles that of the California/Nevada high sierras down to the high desert valleys in the wintertime(COLD!). Keep that in mind if you're going to send anything. Another thing that is a favorite is any sort of powdered drink mix in the small individual packets. Those are absolute money out there. Crystal light, propel, gatorade, etc etc anything works, bottles of water are provided over there, and the drink mixes are light and portable.

Have a good one.

Andy

[GKramer]

Perspective is everything. There have been anglers who qualified for the Bassmasters Classic and didn't show up. They later had to add stipulations that if you qualified, you would participate. An old saying by taxidermists explains the mere size of the fish is not the important issue. "A trophy bass is a trophy fish to you." If I found myself in a championship situation that mattered to me and where I needed to buy a $39 dinner...I'd buy TWO!

[Terry Smith]

$39 for A YUMMY DINNER!!!!! yes I said YUMMY IN DA TUMMY!!!!!!!!!! Vince always has GREAT FOOD!!!!!!!!!! We never paid entrys to the TOC in the past but we also never paid down 20 spots in the past either!!!!!!! I'm not rich$$$$$$$$$ but I will kick down my $45 to play!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yours truely,
Terry the winner of A brand new Ranger 185 which will be up for sale shortly after the tournament

[Team Pollard]

Dinner is not mandatory, just the sighn in. For a boat, 1-9 shot at a Toyota Tundra, and a trip to Mexico, plus paying down to 20 spots, 20th place gets 200 bucks. Bonus is TV coverage of the TOC. The # of people fishing at 90 people is nothing. I have fish Anglers Choice with close to 200 people for 1 boat at Clear Lake. 90 people to have a chance to win a boat, a truck or trip to Mexico is a Steal at $90 for a TOC...

[backseatfishergirl]

Cant we all just have a nice cup of life and bask in the glory of the 49'ers win over the Raiders

AMEN TO THE 49ER'S WIN

are we really celebrating when fg has 1td for the whole season and gets nearly a buck fifty in yards but cant get in the end zone??? I am just saying... Ivory racked 175 without a TD but at least he is a Rookie.

I guess u take ur celebrations where u can


I know this wasn't related to the topic but FG is really messing up my 3-peat as my ff league champ and I dont feel like basking in glory with 1 TD for 2010