Warning - Ugly Incident at Cruiser Haven

StogieMan · Post by **StogieMan** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:09 am

Last Saturday I had a chance to fish with my wife, very rare since she is a) not into fishing and b) the weather has to be just right

When these rare days occur we typically do more boating than fishing with a sit down lunch stop included.

When it was getting close to lunch we started to head toward Orwood Resort and I pulled into Cruiser Haven, it was out of the wind and she and I could relax. I have to admit it has been at least a year since I last pulled in there.

When you first pull in there are slips on your left, roughly 8-10 of them, we went to the last 3 because they were empty and started to fish, I would first cast for her to the back of a dock and then make my cast. After only a couple of minutes a black and white cat appeared, it was fascinated by the cast and would run up and down the dock finger following each cast, kinda cute. We have a cat and my wife was commenting on how cute this particular cat was and that it was not the first time this cat has done this, obviously.

What happens next is a strange and upsetting exchange:

Out of nowhere a guy comes running (yes running) to the last slips where we were and down the finger close to our boat. He proceeds to tell us (yell at us) to get the â€œFâ€

Bill K · Post by **Bill K** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:27 am

Why not just call the Sheriff's Dept and let them talk/deal with this party? As long as you are not stepping onto his, or someone's property, I see where you did nothing wrong, with what you say occured. The sheriff or someone with authority in that area, needs to talk with him and/or settle the matter. I surely would have made sure I got his boats CF numbers, as long as he was getting yours. And inform him you were calling and reporting the matter and his actions also. Would be interesting to know what the S.O. says. Bill K

StogieMan · Post by **StogieMan** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:32 am

Bill - Since we were headed to Orwood I cruised that entire area in and around Discovery Bay looking for a Sherriff, did the same after lunch.
Needless to say this put a real bummer on our day and I doubt very seriously my wife will ever vist the Delta again.

Bill K · Post by **Bill K** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:43 am

Having been there and being the one of them (PD & SO) we are never around when you need one

, Not funny when you do want a officer,

I still would make a phone call and see what they say and/or would do about it, as it sounds like this will occur again, especially if this party gets away with it. Bill K

StogieMan · Post by **StogieMan** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:52 am

Besides the fact that we were abused, (that's how I feel)
There is no doubt in my mind this guy is a loose cannon and I wanted to vent my frustration and warn the fishing community.

So you know: I am North of 50 years old and lower on testosterone than I used to be, point is I did not go looking for a fight.

Narcdogk9 · Post by **Narcdogk9** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:23 am

You could have him arrested for 415 PC. I call the sheriff and make a complaint. #1 and 2 apply

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Any of the following persons shall be punished by imprisonment
in the county jail for a period of not more than 90 days, a fine of
not more than four hundred dollars ($400), or both such imprisonment
and fine:
(1) Any person who unlawfully fights in a public place or
challenges another person in a public place to fight.
(2) Any person who maliciously and willfully disturbs another
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are inherently likely to provoke an immediate violent reaction.

mac (Doyle McEwen) · Post by **mac (Doyle McEwen)** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:53 am

This "gentleman" has a severe problem..It isn't going away until someone physically confronts him on his terms..There was a time in our history that using foul language in front of women and children could easily get you strung up or at the minimum beaten up..You did the right thing by just leaving, although no doubt it was your fourth or fifth choice..Had you had a physical alercation with him, your wife might be visiting you in jail or the hospital (you didn't mention the size or shape of the offender)..I don't doubt it took everything you had and some extra urging from your wife to just depart..Just exactly how did he determine you were harassing his cat..It sounds to me as though the cat was doing what cats do..It also sounds as though the askhole was doing what askholes do..

mac

MIKE TREMONT · Post by **MIKE TREMONT** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:58 am

No surprise to me. I thought I was the only guy that found these nut jobs. One of them pulled out an air horn and started blasting it underwater

I guess he was trying to scare the fish away.

I will say this, it's a good thing you just left. It's not worth what you go through if it gets physical. Trust me on this one. I have steel plate installed on my skull from a pair of nuts I met at the launch ramp. I'm a big boy and can handle myself and don't have much fear, but there ain't a whole lot you can do when your back is turned.

A good suggestion from Narcdogk9, but reality is if you don't have it on a high definition camera and the DA's office is willing to prosecute, nothing will happen.

You did the best thing, no matter how hard it was.

Next time pretend you don't speak English. Just look at them and smile and keep fishing.

younto · Post by **younto** » Tue May 12, 2009 8:24 am

Hey StogieMan,
I too would urge you to file a report. The legal issue is the threats. Remember threats don't need to be specific. In other words Mr. Dumass would not have to use words such as: "I'm gonna ..............you !! The requirement is that you percieved a threat to your safety, directly and soley due to his actions. A challenge to fight qualifies. The county Sheriff Dept will take a threats report from you by phone...even though it's been a few days. Sooner or later this guy will have contact with a deputy and if it ends up in front of the D/A any history will be discovered and considered while determining who to deal with him.
Try to get as much info together as you can before contacting the Sheriff's Office. Short of the guy's name, the most helpful would be the street address, as most records are accessed by location. Even if you can only say that his shack is the 4th one East of 12345 Nonesuch St.. or some other landmark..etc. The CF number of the boat might help...but remember it may be registered to another goofball. (ie: the guy cooking his meth). You will need Race, (and estimated) Age, Height, Weight, Hair color, Eye color and clothing description (may wear the same things "all the time" ) and any other thing that would distinguish him. ie: scars or tatoos, glasses, facial hair, limp or missing brain.
Please accept my appologies to your wife on behalf of us bass fishermen. While there is just no understanding some people I know we all would want her to still be able to enjoy future trips with you.
Send me a PM if I can help
Randall

Tin Can · Post by **Tin Can** » Tue May 12, 2009 8:28 am

MIKE TREMONT wrote:. I have steel plate installed on my skull from a pair of nuts I met at the launch ramp. I'm a big boy and can handle myself and don't have much fear, but there ain't a whole lot you can do when your back is turned.

What happened if you don't mind me asking?

DeltaDan · Post by **DeltaDan** » Tue May 12, 2009 8:55 am

Stogie- Here is the Contra Costa County Boat Sheriff's direct line phone number.

Keep it programed into your phone .... 925-427-8507

TroyUAL777 · Post by **TroyUAL777** » Tue May 12, 2009 1:18 pm

Geez, I've been in there a thousand times back in that location - never had any issues. Since you don't have his CF numbers and the sheriff may not do much, I would suggest this:

Contact the Harbor Master - advise that you will also be contacting the authorities if you complaint isn't handled by MGMT. I know for a fact that CH had a very bad rep with the county several years ago and they had some major housecleaning to do.

Cruiser Haven doesn't want that spotlight on them again - it was very ugly back then. They should be willing to handle that jerk.

deltabass · Post by **deltabass** » Tue May 12, 2009 1:30 pm

I wonder if this is the same guy who started in on my buddy and I a few years back while we were fishing in the same place. No cat involved. Tried to reason with the guy then, but he was not having any part of it. We ended up leaving after a few more casts as we continued to ignore him. He was not as verbally abusive then.

Stogieman, Iâ€™m telling you, you should act on his actions by contacting the Sheriff. This guy sounds border line nuts and is going to get killed by one of us if he continues acting like an idiot. Based on what you wrote, I would have beat him then called the cops myself.

On another note, look out for the idiot in Village West Marina. On Saturday my buddy and I have a similar incident, but not as intense. We are fishing down some docks and this idiot who has his boat backed into his berth decides he is going to start blowing the horn on his boat in our ears as we fish past his slip. We ignore him and he gets out a water hose and proceeds to start spraying off his walkway and boat in hopes to have some water land on us. We continue to ignore him and make our pass.

We turn around and continue fishing back past his slip. He was toward a dead end which we fished to. He grabs the hose again and starts watering his boat again. This time he is real close to getting the boat and us wet, but it doesnâ€™t happen. We continue to ignore him. He then starts following us down the slips going out of his way to write down our CFâ€™s. Now I have had enough of this guy and ask him if he was the, â€œDock Policeâ€

TroyUAL777 · Post by **TroyUAL777** » Tue May 12, 2009 1:41 pm

I just called the Harbor Master (OWNER) nice guy (and he's a bass fisherman himself) - he's going to check out the forum and address the issue. Has no problem with bass boats in the marina (as long as we don't dock boats in others slips..etc...the usual)

I know the boat owners name and it's been an issue with his cat before as others would throw lures up on the dock to tease the cat -

I think we both agreed that there was no place for the yelling and name calling from this tenant - and it will be addressed

PM me if you want more info -

Troy

fish_food · Post by **fish_food** » Tue May 12, 2009 2:25 pm

TroyUAL777 wrote:I just called the Harbor Master (OWNER) nice guy (and he's a bass fisherman himself) - he's going to check out the forum and address the issue. Has no problem with bass boats in the marina (as long as we don't dock boats in others slips..etc...the usual)

This.

That's what I did when greeted by a loudmouth/rude yacht owner at River Pointe Landing/Buckley Cove Marina in Stockton. I called the harbormaster--he addressed the rude tenant to let them know that THEY'RE the ones who are actually in the wrong.

CN · Post by CN » Tue May 12, 2009 6:35 pm

Well you sure did the right thing. Just think how your evening would of went either way if you went to blow's.

I am sure youve been on both end's just like most of us have and in today's Law system go ahead and call me a sissy.

Mike

Rich hamilton · Post by **Rich hamilton** » Tue May 12, 2009 8:01 pm

you and your wife were totally out of line... by not killing the mofo for general purpose

I had a dock dic$ at melonies on saturday. I use to intimidate people but I guess I am a little less intimidating in my old age. folks never figured out you gotta be crazy to run into burning buildings and getting wood while doing it. these UMF punks are really lucky us old pukes have way more to lose than they ever will. I seriously considered using my extrication skills and leaving him with six flat tires with one little pull of the valve stems.

seriously, go home with your beautiful bride and enjoy every day together!

TroyUAL777 · Post by **TroyUAL777** » Tue May 12, 2009 10:21 pm

The owner of cruiser haven has not been user approved to post - so I will give you this email to show he is handling this:

for your info

Troy,

Thanks again for bringing this to my attention.

I have addressed this issue with the tenant and have advised him that cursing any boaters will absolutely not be tolerated regardless of who is at fault. In addition I will post a letter to all Cruiser tenants that whenever they are addressing people who come into Cruiser that derogatory remarks are not are acceptable. Grievances need to be conveyed in a polite manner and if the issue is not resolved then it is our duty as the management to follow up on the matter and handle things fairly and appropriately.

I have registered with the forum but have not received the e-mail to activate the registration in order to post a reply. I intend to make the fisherman aware that they are welcome in Cruiser as long as courteous and good boating sense are maintained. I also wish to express that any domestic issues will be addressed. I have put in 14 Sony HD video cameras and will be installing more. People need to understand that any illegal activities by tenants or visitors will be dealt with. Just as we will not tolerate our tenants harassing visitors we also will not tolerate any kind of vandalism or harassment of Cruiser tenants. If our cameras pick up on any activity, either by our tenants or visitors in the marina, we will provide copies of the DVD's to the Sheriff and pursue legal action ... Paintball guns and bags of deification are not good avenues to handle the problem.

Cruiser Haven staff will be keeping a watchful eye on our problem tenants as well as for any visitors to Cruiser. Please advise your fishing friends in the forum to contact me directly if they have problems.... and take videos... I would love to catch anybody (tenants included ... actually ... especially the tenants) acting like what is being described in this dispute.

In addition to the pump out, mini-mart/tackle shop and fuel docks, we are planning on a boat ramp at Cruiser as well. As I mention in our phone conversation, I am also a bass fisherman and bear no ill will to any boaters (especially my fellow bass fishermen). My bass boat is a Allison XB2003 with a 2.5 race Merc (acclaimed to top end at 102 mph ~ though I don't ever drive that fast ~ 80 to 85 is plenty fast for me). I run a 24v Minnkota bow mount for my trolling motor. Eventually I intend to have a fishing page on our website as well.

Nice talking with you,

Kevin Hinman

Cruiser Haven Marina

925-628-7557

StogieMan · Post by **StogieMan** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:20 am

Thanks to everyone who replied here, what a great community we have.

A special thanks to Troy for all his help and to Mr. Hinman for his understanding.

scott h · Post by **scott h** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:22 am

Man, I fish in there all the time and have never had a prob. most of the time the residents there are friendly, but I also do not fish the docks just for that reason(just in case). I always IDLE in leaving no wake and try not to clog up the passage ways. It is to bad that stuff like that happens, the response by the owner of the marina was a very civil one and I for one appreceiate his positive reply. Thank you for the heads up, i will be sure to steer clear of that particular boat should i have to fish the docks in there. Tight lines,Scott h.

RMARX · Post by **RMARX** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:23 am

Rich what is UMF??

Rich hamilton · Post by **Rich hamilton** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:30 am

Robert,
UMF = ultimate match challenge/ultimate fighter. since those shows have been on television it seems some folks think they can just punch each others lights out without causing severe damage or even killing somebody with a punch. there are plenty of folks in jail resulting from simple fights that went bad by accident. the "f" was my deragatory description.

Shad*Wizard · Post by **Shad*Wizard** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:38 am

I remember years back someone got shot above Rio Vista when a boat went by too close to a bank fisherman...It ain't worth losing your life or your loved one's over a remark...Lot's of people along the river are packing and who knows what might set them off...Keep your cool if you can and avoid a heated confrontation if possible...

RMARX · Post by **RMARX** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:59 am

Thanks Rich! Derogatory maybe, but very appropriate! I am not a fan of the modern day barbaric gladiator "sports"

Bill K · Post by **Bill K** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:15 am

That is a very, and super, reply from Mr. Hinman. Sounds like he really wants to have a good operation and will work with and for anyone having a problem within his area. Thank you Kevin. Bill K

DeltaDan · Post by **DeltaDan** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:35 am

Mr. Hinman,

Thanks so much for your reply .... And Thanks so much also the Mod's for cleaning up this thread !!

Mr. Hinman - When you see Vicki please give her a pinch on her arse and tell her she is lookin' Hawt ! ... Then bear hug Tom and give him a lick behind the ear. -- Hopefully Zoomer is still around to scratch his above tail as well ....... Then tell them all that I will be stopping by to see them very soon with the boys (and hopefully the wife) to play Katsup when we are on the water and by there.

I spent alot of time at your marina and even alot more on the island as a teen. You have a GREAT community there ! Sorry to hear one odd-ball is trying to give you a black eye VERY unnecessarly.

I really hope that you get your permits, wishes, and funding to install a new launch ramp at CH - You have an EXCELLENT location to launch from that can not be toutched ~ outside of Holland with quick access. And Holland is a bish to back in from over that BLIND hump into those two narrow lanes ( ....especially when you accidently lock your keys in your truck on one of the ramps.

)

Cheers,
Dan

j10b · Post by **j10b** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:19 pm

If the Cruiser Heaven owner has a 2002... He is A OK in my book!!! actually I think you can get it too 110!

blkdog812 · Post by **blkdog812** » Wed May 13, 2009 2:13 pm

if thats contra costa co s/o.... good luck in getting them to take any action. few years ago, fishing a dock in delta, guy came out yelling and screaming claiming it was his private water. we cited all the nav and water way codes. guy then sicked his dog on us and threaten to get his gun and went so far as him going into the house and holding it at the door. waited for s/o to arrive and they ordered us to leave and refused to arrest him. called downtown and still nothing happened.

21farms · Post by **21farms** » Wed May 13, 2009 2:15 pm

wow...great and thoughtful response from mr. hinman. i didn't know where cruiser haven was before this post...in fact, never even heard of it...but i know where it is now and think highly of the management!

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Wed May 13, 2009 3:46 pm

Are yall kidding me? My post got deleted

For what? I said I would not lay a finger on the guy until he touched me first

and I would have it video recorded to prove it.

I did not spell out any bad words and I asked a normal question

Man what is this world coming to ?

Arnold wants to legalize pot

Obama wants to control the world

and now the site I have been on for over 10 years wants to control my post when they are not even out of line.

Not very happy about this

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:00 pm

DOM be glad I'm not a MOD, I'd delete you just for being from Texas.

Mine got deleted too, no biggie. If I post something that is boarder line, and it gets deleted I except that and move on.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:06 pm

LOL I get why it was deleted the harbor master dont want this guy seeing these neg comments and scalating the situation,etc...

Im just messin with em

As for you deleting my post, you would have to know how to work a computer first dude

Should get my boat back from Lyle in a couple of weeks you wanna hit the Delta?

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:09 pm

you have a pm

lcates · Post by **lcates** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:48 pm

is their any chance that was the angus towing guy of bi i havent seen him in a while used to love that guy.I had him go off on me in a proteen tournament i didnt even know some of the words he said

Bass Pro Shopper · Post by **Bass Pro Shopper** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:56 pm

Could it have been Kevin Langill?

BuckSnort · Post by **BuckSnort** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:11 pm

Bass Pro Shopper wrote:Could it have been Kevin Langill?

LMAO

TroyUAL777 · Post by **TroyUAL777** » Wed May 13, 2009 9:34 pm

**** Update****

Troy,

If you could I would like your help to clarify a few points on the guidelines for Cruiser Haven. As Iâ€™ve stated, bass fishermen are welcome to fish at Cruiser however, as with other marinas they need to respect the privacy of our tenants. The docks and slips are intended for the tenants of Cruiser Haven. Please respect this and do not fish from within or cast into the slips and under no circumstances is casting onto the docks or across mooring lines acceptable. We have amenities planned in the future for Cruiser and look forward to accommodating various boating activities for visitors to Cruiser as well as the tenants, but the current docks and slips are for tenants only. I failed to clarify this in the previous e-mail. Distance ... Please be aware as with anywhere on the water, maintaining a distance for privacy and safety is an absolute necessity.

In my tenants defense I can attest that the tenant mentioned in this post is a retired Principal and is generally a very kind and pleasant person; as a matter of fact he is one of our most kind and considerate tenants. Unfortunately, he has had a few... lets say â€¦ bad apples... who have taunted and once even hooked his cat. Understandably he was very angry when his cat was hooked by a fishermanâ€™s lure and as a result has some apprehensions when fishermen are fishing nearby and even more so when they intentionally cast onto the dock. I hope to get some video of this happening so I can post it on YouTube. Also, there were two other tenants who witnessed the most recent incident. The tenants did call the Sheriff and were told by the responding officer that they were within their rights and to contact them again if there are any further problems.

From what I have been told there has been multiple fishermen casting onto the docks recently and several tenants believe that the casting onto the docks taunting the pets has become a game among some of the fishermen suffering from the Darwin syndrome (stupidity ~ or lack of evolutionary thought processes). I am told they have been heard saying things like "10 points for the cat" or "20 for the dog". As a result of this "game" the problems for my tenants at Pier 1 have been escalating so I cannot blame them for being rather angry about the whole thing. If it persists I will have no other choice than to set more strict guidelines for the management of Cruiser Haven. The other less serious problem we have is boat wakes. As anyone who owns a bass boat is, or should be aware, bass boats, even though their small, produce a rather large wake at slow speeds. The entrance to Cruiser is a little narrow and any wake given off by passing boats doesn't have time to dissipate by the time it reaches the docks. Many times we have bass boats who leave quite a bit faster than when they come in.

Please be considerate and watch your wake.

In case anybody has been watching the news lately a man was recently arrested and faces serious prison time for beating his dog. If we do obtain video or evidence of any incidents involving intentional "luring" of innocent animals we will as a group file charges and pursue maximum penalties... and I am sure we would have the full cooperation of the fishing forums in doing so.

Fishermen are welcome to fish in the marina, all we ask is to be courteous and respect the right to privacy of our tenants. The slips and docks are for tenants only and are off limits... please respect this rule.

Please visit our website at www.cruiserhaven.com for more info. Cruiser is a great place to keep your boat for the summer so please give us a call if you would like a slip for the season.

Sincerely,

Kevin Hinman

Cruiser Haven Marina

925-628-7557

Gator · Post by **Gator** » Thu May 14, 2009 4:26 am

FYI Kevin - your account has been activated (Troy can you let him know in case he does not see this)

ppickerell · Post by **ppickerell** » Thu May 14, 2009 9:58 am

I fished through cruisers yesterday and the cat guy in question was on his cell phone loudly exclaiming that bass fishing clubs have a point system for hooking cats and dogs and award prizes accordingly while looking directly at us. He had a video camera set up. So he must have been seriously bad appled!

On the other hand I am in the habit of tossing lures up into empty slips and obviously the closer to the dock the better. Sometimes I admit I miss. After reading the Cruiser Haven manager response I will stop this practice. There is plenty of water in the delta.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Thu May 14, 2009 3:04 pm

OK, I hate to add fuel to the fire but the simple fact is none of us need permission to fish CH or any marine. I pay high dollar for a fishing Permit every year that allows me to navigate and water I want on the Delta ,etc... It's that simple and if mr. dock boy wants to tuant,cuss and yell I will click my phone on record plain and simple. I do not need permission end of story

TroyUAL777 · Post by **TroyUAL777** » Thu May 14, 2009 4:10 pm

ppickerell - hopefully "Soggybear" kevin the marina owner will put an end to this continued fuel on the fire if what you say is true -

Here is the deal - If someone in any marina gives you a problem - contact the harbormaster ASAP - and if a tenant has an issue - contact the Harbormaster ASAP. PERIOD

I will give Stogie credit for not going after this guy, and it's unfortunate that wifey was onboard - really rubs me the wrong way... I wasn't there - I believe what I believe happened - I'd never take abuse for teasing a cat because I would never do it.

Maybe it's time to ask the cat? lol - if the cat has A.D.D then time to put the cat inside during the day - because us bass fisherman love *****

I digress - I don't think any of us would tease the cat - thus, don't let some dude swear at you unless you deserve it - our bass fishing community is so beyond teasing cat's - those of you I know are very respectful people - Maybe this tenant needs to apologize about now and realize 99.9 percent of these guys catch fish, not cats - IMHO

Now- Let's move on

mjb · Post by **mjb** » Thu May 14, 2009 4:27 pm

FYI: Last time I checked their was like 1200 plus miles of prime Bass Fishing shoreline along the Ca. Delta . Just fish & Enjoy.....

MJB

Chaozu · Post by **Chaozu** » Thu May 14, 2009 5:36 pm

I had a cat come out of no where and snatch up a senko I was tossing around some docks. Didn't even see a cat until he came bolting out the second my senko hit the dock, didn't even have time to pull it in the water. The owner didn't know so I yelled and he cam out. I told him the cat grabbed it and wont let go. The cat was not hooked but had a good hold on it. The owner of the cat was more than happy to help free the cat. It was completely unintentional and the owner was very polite. I would be pissed too if my cat was a target and part of a sick game. I feel for both sides. He had no right lashing out like that, but I know he felt justified. Unfortunately, this guy can say whatever he wants no matter how offensive it is and get away with it because the second you leave your boat to whoop some @ss, you have broken the law. Sounds like coward to me. How old is this guy? Any chance of him croaking soon?

ScottyJ · Post by **ScottyJ** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:06 pm

Has anyone ever caught a fish in Cruiser Haven? It looks like prime fishng but ive never had any luck in there. Kinda off topic but anyone done any good there?

BuckSnort · Post by **BuckSnort** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:51 pm

ScottyJ wrote:Has anyone ever caught a fish in Cruiser Haven? It looks like prime fishng but ive never had any luck in there. Kinda off topic but anyone done any good there?

I hear the catfishing is awesome.........

Sorry someone had to say it...

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Fri May 15, 2009 4:33 am

No, thereis no fish in there at all

richdoe · Post by **richdoe** » Fri May 15, 2009 6:28 am

mjb wrote:FYI: Last time I checked their was like 1200 plus miles of prime Bass Fishing shoreline along the Ca. Delta . Just fish & Enjoy.....

MJB

The moment we start giving up our rights to fish "our" water is the beginning of the end of bass fishing. That water belongs to the public, not Cruiser Haven. If we allow this sort of thing to slide next thing you know land owners will start blocking access to every bank in the Delta. Personally I think the argument could be made that those berthing sheds are infringing on public property. The idea that a good, honest guy that just wants to take his wife fishing for a few hours can set off an idiot like this just for throwing a lure into an EMPTY slip just boggles my mind. Just imagine the uproar if Stogie would have had the audacity to wave or smile at the guy.

some guy · Post by **some guy** » Fri May 15, 2009 6:32 am

richdoe wrote:
mjb wrote:FYI: Last time I checked their was like 1200 plus miles of prime Bass Fishing shoreline along the Ca. Delta . Just fish & Enjoy.....

MJB
The moment we start giving up our rights to fish "our" water is the beginning of the end of bass fishing. That water belongs to the public, not Cruiser Haven. If we allow this sort of thing to slide next thing you know land owners will start blocking access to every bank in the Delta. Personally I think the argument could be made that those berthing sheds are infringing on public property. The idea that a good, honest guy that just wants to take his wife fishing for a few hours can set off an idiot like this just for throwing a lure into an EMPTY slip just boggles my mind. Just imagine the uproar if Stogie would have had the audacity to wave or smile at the guy.

+1

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:29 pm

ScottyJ wrote:Has anyone ever caught a fish in Cruiser Haven? It looks like prime fishng but ive never had any luck in there. Kinda off topic but anyone done any good there?

Brown or Black Wadda Jiggs around docks and pileings and Senkos in/on the grass in open area's. Fish seem to only have about 1 hour in which they realy go on the bite. Hit it at the right time and WAMMO!!!! Sure hope this helps.

Terry

SORRY SEAN

Sean Graf · Post by **Sean Graf** » Fri May 15, 2009 7:21 pm

Terry Smith wrote:
ScottyJ wrote:Has anyone ever caught a fish in Cruiser Haven? It looks like prime fishng but ive never had any luck in there. Kinda off topic but anyone done any good there?
Brown or Black Wadda Jiggs around docks and pileings and Senkos in/on the grass in open area's. Fish seem to only have about 1 hour in which they realy go on the bite. Hit it at the right time and WAMMO!!!! Sure hope this helps.

Terry

SORRY SEAN

See you tomorrow buddy!

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