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Kwin

Marinas and tackle shops keep track of "lake records". CDFW only recognizes/keeps track of State records.

Kwin

Must be all those trout plants

Kwin

Presenter: Dr. Mauro de Freitas Rebelo Professor, Biophysics at Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, head of the Environmental Molecular Biology laboratory and Founder of Bio Bureau In late 2024, Golden Mussels (Limnoperna fortunei) were recently discovered in the California Delta region. This disc...

Kwin

https://dbw.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=28822

Kwin

Alabama Bass will not be reintroduced. The Southern strain bluegill that were the likely impetus for the Alabama Bass demise within Perris are still thriving, making any attempt at reintroduction a waste of time.

Kwin

I have angler survey data from the last 5-15 years that says nearly all anglers that catch a legal sized bass at San V, El Cap, DVL, Skinner, Lower Otay, Perris and Hodges voluntarily throw 95-99% of them back. Up to 80% of other harvestable species will be taken, bass will not be taken. Genetics ar...

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Lake Perris 2.0 CDFW mitigated for impacts of an extended drawdown to repair the dam by adding habitat features to the lake bottom: 1600+ brush piles 109 rock piles 135 pipe caves 192,000 sq ft gravel beds 50+ pallet structures [attachment=0]IMG_0421.JPG[/attachment][attachment=1]IMG_0386.JPG[/attac...

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[quote=WRB post_id=689257 time=1718158738 user_id=35944] The DFW or DFG back a few years ago policy was plant Black Bass species 1 time and let them self propagate for eternity. The one exception occurred when local lakes requested Florida Strain bass be introduced into this specific reservoirs in t...

Kwin

As a DFW reservoir biologist for the last 16 years and an avid bass angler for over 30 years I agree with everything the author of the article says 100%.

Kwin

[quote=WRB post_id=688539 time=1715836417 user_id=35944] Study the Florida Largemouth history in California and it’s obvious that genetics are more important than prey to predator ratio. Same lakes with the same ecosystems and prey sources with Northern strain LMB didn’t produce a single bass over 1...

Kwin

It's actually amusing to me that AGFC is hyping this when their own studies conclude that a genetically based stocking program will not effectively increase the trophy potential of a population.

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Kwin

[quote=coyote268 post_id=688350 time=1715090935 user_id=31985] You will never see anything like that happen in California as all fish and wildlife want to do is bring in more money, not spend any [/quote] Wouldn't work here in CA because anglers choose to C&R all their bass stunting their growth...

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Since 2019 anglers that fish DVL have reported catching 23,023 legal sized LMB. Only 117 were kept resulting in a 0.5% harvest rate. Essentially exclusive catch and release practices have resulted in a slow growing, highly educated Florida-strain LMB population which is currently on display. Throw i...

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[quote=WRB post_id=680271 time=1690043518 user_id=35944] Can’t blame everything on C & R as it was at it’s height during the 90’s. What is the problem is prey to predator ratio, bass can’t achieve exceptional growth eating Threadfin Shad as a primary food source, they need high protein crayfish ...

Kwin

Permits have not been acquired for south of the Tehachapi’s as yet

Kwin

Growth rate of LMB at Casitas is middle of the road average when compared to LMB sampled throughout the State....which is horrible relative to what it used to be Statewide. The graph below illustrates the Von Bertalanffy Growth Curve for Casitas plotted against the vBGF of LMB collected Statewide fr...

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[quote=WRB post_id=680125 time=1689697772 user_id=35944] Casitas opened in 1958. FLMB introduced in the early 70’s or 50 years ago now. During that time span Casitas was basically neat or at full pool with excellent prey to predator ratio and good water quality. The 80’s were Casitas prime big years...

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My guess is the Florida BG angle WRB alluded to is the biggest contributor to their demise.... I've read a paper I have around somewhere that says the same thing. The severe lack of offshore habitat and relatively stable water levels at Lk Perris 1.0 probably didn't help either. It's the only exampl...

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[quote=WRB post_id=679286 time=1687189627 user_id=35944] [quote=gixxer464 post_id=679277 time=1687144995 user_id=19609] Hey Tom, does Lake Perris still have spots in there? If not, what happened? This is all new information to me. Appreciate your insight. Thanks. [/quote] Very few, occasionally a Sp...

Kwin

Hmmm....looks like proof that continued stocking of FLMB where they already exist is a waste of money.

Kwin

In this current culture of C&R everything, all regulations for bass are worthless.

Kwin

NLMB were introduced into CA in 1891 from Illinois. FLMB were first introduced into Upper Otay in 1959. Miramar and El Capitan were stocked in 1961, Casitas in 1968. The first FLMB NorCal introduction was Clear Lake in 1969 along with Hidden Valley and Hodges. Amador, Casitas, Clear Lake in 1970. Ra...

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FYI--as of January 1, 2023 the special black bass regulations at Eastman, Isabella, Hensley, Kaweah, and Success no longer exist, reverting to the Statewide standard 12 inch minimum length, 5 fish bag limit at all locations. see the link below. https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=2076...

Kwin

This graph shows a compilation of mean length at age of LMB from lakes all over SoCal (n=289 from 22 lakes)....most of those getting consistent trout stockings. C&R culture has destroyed growth rates and has contributed greatly to the death of the trophy bass fishing in SoCal. Florida strain or ...

Kwin

https://www.fieldandstream.com/conserva ... -oklahoma/

Blasphemy on this forum I know, but it is the truth. Trophy bass fishing is dead because of the overwhelming state of C&R angler culture more so than anything else.

Kwin

Catch and release culture has been the death of trophy bass fishing. I have a brief but telling length-at-age data set on LMB collected by OEHHA (collect fish for mercury testing) that shows how slow the growth of bass has become. All but two of the bass collected in the data set from multiple lakes...

Kwin

Have you or anyone you personally know kept a limit of bass in the last decade from anywhere?

Kwin

I think the OP was referring to 4.00(e) below as it was a trout in the livewell... 4.00. BAIT-GENERAL. Legally acquired and possessed invertebrates, mollusks, crustaceans, amphibians (except salamanders), fish eggs and treated and processed foods may be used for bait, except: (a) No species specifie...

Kwin

the 2022 permits for all of SoCal have not been approved or processed yet. NBW doesn't have a schedule until they receive their approved permits.

Kwin

too bad they just found quagga mussels in the river.

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redeye bass

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It looks more like a Sacramento Blackfish

Kwin

Here is a link to a study done on barotrauma related mortality of FLMB in SoCal. FIzzing is only beneficial when done properly. They're not halibut...they shouldn't be on their side at the bottom of the tank after treatment.

https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx ... 4&inline=1

Kwin

Drought conditions promote big fish cycles. Trout or no trout.

Kwin

[quote="Dave Poolman"]They are trying to shutdown tournaments at Castaic. Maybe one of you guys can call Gavin and let him know how much fishing means to all of the people in California. Show us what you got boys. Your lake will be next.[/quote]
Who is "they"?

Kwin

the farther back and away from the main lake, the warmer the water, the more (and bigger) bass there were. At least that's how it was when we did removals of warmwater species from the keys 8-10 years ago.

Kwin

Mountain out of a mole hill. Other environmental factors affect the fishery far more than angling. There are far more bass in Clear Lake than what tournament angler egos believe they catch and how they perceive they affect the population. Clear Lake, is largely what it is because of the consistent p...

Kwin

DVL LMB were all taken from Hodges and all FLMB. You'll notice data points above and below the slope equation line indicating individual fish may weigh more or less than what the equation can generate. While not perfect, the equation is valuable in establishing lake specific indicators and are used ...

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[attachment=0]DVL LMB Weight at Length 2007-2019.PNG[/attachment] Here is a graph of all LMB collected during fishery surveys at DVL from 2007-2019. The estimated weights at length are based upon the polynomial slope equation.To estimate the weight you simply solve for "Y" using the length...

Kwin

What "management practices" do you speak of? I can tell you the current catch and release culture (voluntary release of all bass caught) has been the death of trophy bass fishing in CA and nationwide. The size regulations in place (the only management practice in application for bass) are ...

Kwin

Why does CDFW need to stock bass? At this very moment and for the past 3-4 months the adult stock in every waterbody that hold whatever Micropterus sp. are making BILLIONS more. These Sharelunker and/or bass stocking programs contribute a negligible amount to the fisheries they "supplement"...

Kwin

No algae problems at DVL that I have seen. It may return but the lake is starting to stratify and they are not bringing water in so any significant upwelling which feeds the blooms shouldn't be an issue.

Kwin

A year of closure will not "change" or have any appreciable effect upon a bass fishery. San Vicente was closed for about 10 years. After about day 3 following reopening it was the same as every other lake in SoCal.

Kwin

this is why we can't have nice things...

Kwin

The Mike Long and Mike Hart scenarios don't help drum up business either.

Kwin

5" green/brown/purple senko weightless, 15-40' H20. cast, let it sink, twitch it back, repeat.

Kwin

Had a custom trailer built to replace a trailer that also used tube frames. it rusted out from the inside especially at the wishbone near the front. FE Trailers in Lakeside, Ca built the replacement and did an excellent job. It is still a tube frame but I had them drill small drain holes on the bott...

Kwin

drought, habitat degradation, lake succession, carp overpopulation

Kwin

Not many but the few I've collected electrofishing are all 7-10 lbs.

Kwin

So the uproar over a 10 fish, no size limit regulation proposal for striped bass on the Delta, in an era of predominantly CPR, is expected to reduce the population below 432 fish...

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